Easyguy14 Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 I got to witness this last night at multiple New Year's Eve parties in the city of NY. I kid you not people. I went with a colleague in the business and got to see him first hand work his so-called magic on 17 unsuspecting women and to watch 11 of them fall victim to his bad behavior was astonishing. To give you people examples of how he acted to said women at these parties is this: he would engage them in a quick introduction, smirking all the while, and then would start taunting them and giving them crap for really no reason other than to be a jerk. I cant actually imitate what he did because we're two different people but this guy was a total ******* and while some of these women pretended to get mad with him at times and walk off on him, only to come back in a short period to engage with him more which led to phone numbers and tons of flirting. I even recall said woman cursing him out and accusing him of being mean to her and to leave her alone only to return when he let up on the gas with his taunting but he never apologized. She wounded up giving him her number after he had to promise to be nicer to her. All he did was smirk and say "I'll think about it. I'm never one to keep promises." She agreed anyway to give it a shot. I got talking to exactly 5 women and only got 1 number out of it by simply being myself which doesn't add a whole lot, but whatever. And the thing is here is that these are the women claiming to not like jerks but they keep on responding to them regardless. Last night sealed it for me and I'm so very disappointed. I imagine the guys on Loveshack know exactly what I mean.
carhill Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Women are attracted to attractive men. Yep, some are, or act like, jerks. How their behaviors are received depends on the subconscious reaction to their attractiveness. This isn't rocket science and it's as old as the hills. Combine attractive with a thick skin and one can become a god of jerk behavior because, well, one doesn't care. Add in some power and you have, heh, Bill Cosby or Bill Clinton. That's how the world works. Ride the bear or get eaten by it. Good on ya for talking to five women and getting a phone number. Excellent. Hope that bears fruit. 2
Jimmyjackson Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 he who cares less controls the relationship. Girls like guys who aren't so easily available, we want what we can't have. Like most people, they want a challenge, something not easily attainable. 4
katiegrl Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Women are attracted to attractive men. Yep, some are, or act like, jerks. How their behaviors are received depends on the subconscious reaction to their attractiveness. This isn't rocket science and it's as old as the hills. Combine attractive with a thick skin and one can become a god of jerk behavior because, well, one doesn't care. Add in some power and you have, heh, Bill Cosby or Bill Clinton. That's how the world works. Ride the bear or get eaten by it. Good on ya for talking to five women and getting a phone number. Excellent. Hope that bears fruit. Really good insight carhill.... insight I surely don't possess....but still learning!
seekingluck Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Depends on what you mean by jerk. I enjoy good banter. If you are a grade a a-hole, I love putting you in your place with my trademark snark with a smile. I had great banter with a guy who always teased me. It was a competition though I am sure we were even over the years. It was part if our relationship and never mean spirited. So it depends on what he was saying how attractive it is.
Wewon Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 I cant actually imitate what he did because we're two different people but this guy was a total ******* and while some of these women pretended to get mad with him at times and walk off on him, only to come back in a short period to engage with him more which led to phone numbers and tons of flirting. I even recall said woman cursing him out and accusing him of being mean to her and to leave her alone only to return when he let up on the gas with his taunting but he never apologized. She wounded up giving him her number after he had to promise to be nicer to her. All he did was smirk and say "I'll think about it. I'm never one to keep promises." She agreed anyway to give it a shot. I don't think that women like jerk-like behavior per se, however, observations like yours are not new either. So you're left with a bit of a conundrum. My observation has been that although women don't fall for being treated badly, its not as much of a deal breaker as you're often lead to believe by women in polite conversation about dating. I think that women are willing to put up with more jerk behavior than they readily admit to if the guy is physically attractive, appears to be fun and or has other superficial qualities that are attractive. Being a jerk isn't the answer, but it also doesn't sink the boat either. 6
SwordofFlame Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Well to be fair some guys will put up with crazy women if they're hot enough. 14
Wewon Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Well to be fair some guys will put up with crazy women if they're hot enough. True, but men are pretty upfront about this. If we weren't there would be tons of threads with women saying, "I don't get it, I was nice, why is he dating that a_hole?!" 2
Ruby Slippers Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Well to be fair some guys will put up with crazy women if they're hot enough. Exactly. When the physical attraction is strong, you tend to be more lenient than you would otherwise. Especially when you're young and naive. 2
Author Easyguy14 Posted January 2, 2016 Author Posted January 2, 2016 he who cares less controls the relationship. Girls like guys who aren't so easily available, we want what we can't have. Like most people, they want a challenge, something not easily attainable. Not quite getting what you meant by not so easily available? He was there all night even though we jumped to a few other spots and he moved from women to women within maybe 10 minutes so is that what you mean or is something else?
LookAtThisPOst Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Right, for instance, there was a social experiment via a man and a cute woman stealing from a homeless man on the street. It was all staged, but when a pretty lady was stealing from a homeless man, no one said anything to her...but when a man was stealing from the homeless man's change bucket...they ran after the guy. . 1
Author Easyguy14 Posted January 2, 2016 Author Posted January 2, 2016 I don't think that women like jerk-like behavior per se, however, observations like yours are not new either. So you're left with a bit of a conundrum. My observation has been that although women don't fall for being treated badly, its not as much of a deal breaker as you're often lead to believe by women in polite conversation about dating. I think that women are willing to put up with more jerk behavior than they readily admit to if the guy is physically attractive, appears to be fun and or has other superficial qualities that are attractive. Being a jerk isn't the answer, but it also doesn't sink the boat either. You're so freaking right about it not sinking the boat when it really ought to! Someone asked me how was he being a jerk? Well from what I remember he just acted like he didn't care about their opinions for example he would let them talk and then if they said something that didn't make sense to him he would taunt or tease them about it and they would argue and said woman would appear to be annoyed only to start laughing with him again and want to go another round. The thing is that my colleague is 33 and doesn't care about any of these women if they only suspected. That's what's pathetic. Where is the female radar?! These women are all over 30 or close to it.
justanotherguy1 Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 I rather be a nice decent gentleman than be a f*****g douche.. sure women like it because for some twisted bitches thats masculine. I could never see myself being that for women . I rather be me all day because life is a gift and it should be treated as that. You wanna treat women like **** to get laid and attention, hell go for it good for you, but karma is a motherf***er and how we treat people ultimately defines us as people. I rather have a tombstone that reads here lies " a good man" with 4 people at the funeral than one that says here lies "biggest assho** ever" .. Thats my thoughts though lol 3
oberkeat Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 True, but men are pretty upfront about this. If we weren't there would be tons of threads with women saying, "I don't get it, I was nice, why is he dating that a_hole?!" Yes, what really outrages me about this is the facade women put on. The disconnect between what they verbally say they want in a man and what their behavior says they want. Girls tend to claim they want a nice, respectful guy, but those are hardly ever the men who have success with women. Nice guys create no excitement for women. Many women these days prefer a man who is aloof, unavailable, even disrespecftul. That's why ya boy picked up so many numbers. It's why we have seen a thousand threads where girls are totally turned off by guys who are treating them right and demonstrating interest, and at the same time, these women are wishing they had a man who actually showed less interest, less availability, less affection. If gals would simply admit this type of behavior is what they find attractive, instead of fibbing and saying they like nice guys, I'd be willing to let the matter drop. 3
carhill Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Ha, ha, if OP's friend went out and hit on ladies in a nice way he'd still get success. Why? He's *attractive*. Heh, back to listening to ATC and the hilarious female controllers.
Maggie4 Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 If I wear a pair of fab high heel shoes that pinch my toes, it is NOT because I enjoy pain. 1
Ruby Slippers Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Ha, ha, if OP's friend went out and hit on ladies in a nice way he'd still get success. Why? He's *attractive*. Yep. A sexy, good-looking guy can act like Mr. Rogers and still have women falling at his feet. 2
oberkeat Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 I don't think that women like jerk-like behavior per se, however, observations like yours are not new either. So you're left with a bit of a conundrum. My observation has been that although women don't fall for being treated badly, its not as much of a deal breaker as you're often lead to believe by women in polite conversation about dating. I think that women are willing to put up with more jerk behavior than they readily admit to if the guy is physically attractive, appears to be fun and or has other superficial qualities that are attractive. Being a jerk isn't the answer, but it also doesn't sink the boat either. Yep. A sexy, good-looking guy can act like Mr. Rogers and still have women falling at his feet. I do not think physical attractiveness is what matters here. If looking hot was all that mattered to women, they'd all be lesbians. We've all seen hot women with hideous men. The difference maker is these guys' bad boy behavior.
67Chevelle Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Depends on what you mean by jerk. I enjoy good banter. If you are a grade a a-hole, I love putting you in your place with my trademark snark with a smile. I had great banter with a guy who always teased me. It was a competition though I am sure we were even over the years. It was part if our relationship and never mean spirited. So it depends on what he was saying how attractive it is. I think theres a HUGE percentage of women that are like this. They interact with the guy because he's sort of annoying at first, and women want to put him in his place, and then somehow, as she wakes up in his bed the next morning, she is wondering how and why she slept with a guy that annoys her so much
Ami1uwant Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 The big unknown here is how attractive is he vs you and how much charm he has. Q friend of mine in my 20s had looks and charm that he could get 95 out of 100 women's numbers and about 60 of them he could get sex from them that night if he tried. I think it's a fine line from being a jerk vs playing antonio isthmus and just be c9nfr9ntatio AL to get a spark from her.
Woggle Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 I bet the women who flocked to him are not the kind of women I would want to date if I were single. 2
Snakechammah Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 As a woman, I'm not into any PUA kind of guy. I can smell them from a mile away! Not all girls are shallow, just like not all guys fall for the psycho-hot chick. I am sure there are lots of female posters here in LS who do not fall for such jerk behaviours like that too. 2
hasaquestion Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 In my experience, when women say "I wish I had a guy who was X, Y, and Z", what they mean is "I wish I had a guy who I found attractive, and who was X, Y, and Z." I don't think there's anything wrong with it. But worth keeping in mind.
lollipopspot Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 All he did was smirk and say "I'll think about it. I'm never one to keep promises." I just have to say, this line is so nauseatingly stupid to me. The calculated indifference is just blech. That said, I think a big part of what is going on is that he was very actively engaging with them, as opposed to a lot of "nice" guys who might extend themselves a little but don't know how to carry it forward. I don't think it was the rudeness, but the persistence and keeping them engaged in a playful way. 2
Author Easyguy14 Posted January 2, 2016 Author Posted January 2, 2016 Ha, ha, if OP's friend went out and hit on ladies in a nice way he'd still get success. Why? He's *attractive*. Heh, back to listening to ATC and the hilarious female controllers. I never once said he was attractive. I don't exactly judge men's looks but I'd go with "average" per se and a decent career in the "business" but he likes to bust balls all the time and it even annoys me. I really have no clue why these said women are giving him a chance but at the same time act annoyed with his behavior. Is it that hard to just curse him out and MEAN it?!
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