loveflower Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 But you did enjoy turkey at Thanksgiving. That bird didn't die of natural causes. Yes. I love to eat meat and turkey and beef and chicken, and yes, I don't want to witness them being killed. so....can't I be both?
loveflower Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 In the rural areas, a lot of them don't speak English or don't speak it very well. There is some 'apartheid' in certain areas but it isn't the norm. I've travelled extensively through Quebec many times (I am an Anglo). Montreal is pretty much a bilingual city. There are quite a few other enclaves where you can get by in English. One strategy that has worked incredibly well for me in the last couple of years was bringing my smart phone in and typing into Google translate. They read what I want and then respond. Sometimes friendlier people will even have full conversations with it. One time I called a French business to gather some info, and was interrogated: "you don't speak French and you work for the fed?" wtf I know one senior who doesn't speak French was refused to be served in a French store. the French language act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_the_French_Language#Labour_relations
craw Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 She says (and I google verified) that the seal season is Nov 15 to June 14 Im sorry, i wasn't clear with my question. Where did the hunting take place? Thats what I meant. Like what region?
TunaCat Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 This would absolutely be a deal-breaker for me. I wouldn't care that my significant other didn't participate. Animal rights is one cause I am DEEPLY passionate about. Family is VERY important to me, and I couldn't be involved with someone whose family did crap like this. Even if that person was the most attractive person I'd ever seen. 1
Author Gold Pile Posted December 2, 2015 Author Posted December 2, 2015 This would absolutely be a deal-breaker for me. I wouldn't care that my significant other didn't participate. Animal rights is one cause I am DEEPLY passionate about. Family is VERY important to me, and I couldn't be involved with someone whose family did crap like this. Even if that person was the most attractive person I'd ever seen. Does this mean Tunacan that you wouldn't date a farmer who raises and ultimately kills turkeys or chickens? Cattle ranchers? What about fishermen that kill fish for our meals? I'm not a hunter or farmer as I couldn't do what they do, but I do know they're responsible for my turkey dinner.
Author Gold Pile Posted December 2, 2015 Author Posted December 2, 2015 Im sorry, i wasn't clear with my question. Where did the hunting take place? Thats what I meant. Like what region? The exact locations seems very important to you craw. Forgive me for being overly cautious but is there any chance that you're somehow affiliated with hunters that are looking for productive spots to conduct a slaughter? If you don't have such dubious intentions...please forgive me. I was responsible for these guys noticing this heard and I'd hate to lead more hunters to the same spot.
Author Gold Pile Posted December 2, 2015 Author Posted December 2, 2015 ok most turkeys are bred for the table......they are killed ina humane fashion.... i know about seal clubbing.....they normally kill babies for their fur coat for starters and they club the babies so as not to damage the coat.......with a bullet.....whiel they are clubbing these baby fur seals.....the mothers go into desperation mode.......and cry adn scream fro them to stop ...if the mothers get in the way of their babies being clubbed to death slowly and as they cry fro their mums...the mums that interfere they kill them too....i could write more.......totally different dont you think from a turkey being humanely killed and eaten for a meal......for me..seal clubbing......shouldnt be two words strung together......and yes i eat turkey...i dont club a baby turkey to death though and wear the feathers..and leave the body to rot.....which is what happens they skin the animals dont they leave the body behind for the devastated mother to sit near....its heartless .....cruel...unnecessary..deb undoubtedly a horrible way to harvest. But ultimately they are killing these animals to put food on their table, not seal meat, but other food that seal pelt money buys them. I used to drive past a small farm that had turkeys. I'm not sure exactly how they killed them, but they did seem to have a decent, humane life there. I'm not sure how humane the massive corporate farms are.
sandylee1 Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 It sounds like a horrible thing to have witnessed. I'd be traumatised like you as well. There are humane ways to kill animals... that's what would bother me..........The fact that they killed the seals isn't the issue..it's how they did it. A friend told me about her ex mother in law drowning a litter of kittens that her cat had. ....A normal person would spay the cat or give the kittens away. Someone who does that without flinching.... has a mean streak in them. 2
todreaminblue Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 undoubtedly a horrible way to harvest. But ultimately they are killing these animals to put food on their table, not seal meat, but other food that seal pelt money buys them. I used to drive past a small farm that had turkeys. I'm not sure exactly how they killed them, but they did seem to have a decent, humane life there. I'm not sure how humane the massive corporate farms are. any animal that is beaten to death as a way to preserve fur for fur products en masse ..........wouldnt be something, mentally or emotionally, i would be comfortable being involved with or benefitting from...some of the time the animals are half alive when they skin them they arent dead yet....theres no justification you can give me .... not ethically or morally for this...just because there are big farms that do the wrong thing by their animals does not justify a baby fur seal being beaten and skinned half alive.....i actually follow along the lines of subsistence farming as an ecologically ethically and morally sound way to farm that and permaculture but anyway.... from the start of this thread you explained that this traumatised you and that you didnt know if you could handle the brutality of the family but yet i feel a shift from trauma into justification of what you witnessed which i guess when you get traumatised you try to explain away the trauma.....i have tried to justify wrong things by explaining motives and possibilities and saying but this person did worse or i did this in 1987 that was bad......it actually doesnt work....because flashbacks are a sign that it doesnt work animals were put on earth for food they are nearly all a recognised food source...but with that food source comes a certain respect that needs to be paid.....some american indians celebrate the life of the animal they kill..indigenous australians pay homage to the animal. some people will sit around a table and give prayers to the one and only for supplying them with nourishment.....and respect for the food and the being that provided that food....its like seeing a bigger picture past the table and bank account i guess.... i dont know what you are looking for....someone here to say its ok...it isnt....and if the lady is attractive as you say...very attractive....maybe thats enough for you to tolerate the brutality of the family ..what does your heart tell you honestly......deb 1
dreamingoftigers Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 undoubtedly a horrible way to harvest. But ultimately they are killing these animals to put food on their table, not seal meat, but other food that seal pelt money buys them. I used to drive past a small farm that had turkeys. I'm not sure exactly how they killed them, but they did seem to have a decent, humane life there. I'm not sure how humane the massive corporate farms are. I believe that Europe has banned seal products etc. It seems to be an industry on the way out. May I suggest the Calgary Stampede as a better way to take in the Canadian experience? I'm pretty sure my whole province is seal-free and not because the early settlers got out here first and clubbed them all.
dreamingoftigers Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 One time I called a French business to gather some info, and was interrogated: "you don't speak French and you work for the fed?" wtf I know one senior who doesn't speak French was refused to be served in a French store. the French language act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_the_French_Language#Labour_relations I know that the Old School guys get like that sometime, but overall I found it to not be the norm. My husband had a "speak French or get out of my store" moment when he was in his youth as well. Language IS touchy there but the vast vast majority of québécois understand that if you don't speak it, you simply don't speak it.
Author Gold Pile Posted December 3, 2015 Author Posted December 3, 2015 I guess Dreamtiger that I'm saying two things, the action was a horror to see, and the necessity of applying rule of law logic to the hunters. Farmers, hunters, and fishermen feed and clothe us by killing animals. Fish are suffocated, seals are clubbed, chickens and "veal cattle" are raised in tiny enclosures..... etc. Just because seals (brutal predators themselves) are pronounced cute, those that harvest them are seen as having less rights than hunter/farmers of other creatures. It was horrible to see, they should have thought twice before inflicting the site on a non hunter. The Canadian Government says they have the right to do it. I want sympathy but could do without the vile vilification of farmers and hunters.
bluefeather Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 If we kill animals to eat them, how is there a point to the method it is done? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. It is such a hard thing for me to draw a line down. They should have considered your never being expose to it, though, imo. But maybe they did it on purpose. Maybe they don't like you, or are very protective of the girl, or were testing your reaction... If you marry her, you marry her family, so the saying goes. So consider that as you continue to date her.
todreaminblue Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 I guess Dreamtiger that I'm saying two things, the action was a horror to see, and the necessity of applying rule of law logic to the hunters. Farmers, hunters, and fishermen feed and clothe us by killing animals. Fish are suffocated, seals are clubbed, chickens and "veal cattle" are raised in tiny enclosures..... etc. Just because seals (brutal predators themselves) are pronounced cute, those that harvest them are seen as having less rights than hunter/farmers of other creatures. It was horrible to see, they should have thought twice before inflicting the site on a non hunter. The Canadian Government says they have the right to do it. I want sympathy but could do without the vile vilification of farmers and hunters. do you fee that i vilified farmers and hunters....deb
dreamingoftigers Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 I guess Dreamtiger that I'm saying two things, the action was a horror to see, and the necessity of applying rule of law logic to the hunters. Farmers, hunters, and fishermen feed and clothe us by killing animals. Fish are suffocated, seals are clubbed, chickens and "veal cattle" are raised in tiny enclosures..... etc. Just because seals (brutal predators themselves) are pronounced cute, those that harvest them are seen as having less rights than hunter/farmers of other creatures. It was horrible to see, they should have thought twice before inflicting the site on a non hunter. The Canadian Government says they have the right to do it. I want sympathy but could do without the vile vilification of farmers and hunters. I don't have much of an issue with hunters. I'd rather an animal live free and wander around until it reaches maturity instead of being stuck in a feed lot from birth to death. My uncle (just outside Ottawa area) shoots deer from his bathroom window when they wander into the yard and we've had the venison. I find some "hunter culture" a little weird. Like the stuffing and displaying of the animal like it is still alive. It just seems too weird to me going into Cabelas or Bass Pro and seeing a herd of stuffed deer. I know they are "trophies." But it makes me think of aliens invading, Ray gunning us and then displaying our naked asses in their interstellar living room. I guess that's weirder. I can't kill anything, that's for sure. I was a vegetarian for seven years. I wouldn't mind going back to that. I also don't do well with cow's milk. Get very sick from it (lactose intolerance?) But I am not a fan of seal clubbing. Not enough of a thing for me to join the protest movement that comes up every year. But really don't like the general idea. At least with the bullet its quick, the clubbing seems much more traumatic. Why not tell your girlfriend the truth about how you feel / think? 1
craw Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 Honesty? I don't think you're telling the truth and this area should be exposed. Everyone freaked out about the lion, the same must be done about seals. I've lived here for 13 years and yeah this is the first time hearing about this, besides First Nation people hunting for survival. 2
RedRobin Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 As long as you continue to associate with people who do what you describe, you will not have my sympathy. Be traumatized... That's how you should be. If you stopped seeing her, I could call you a victim. You keep seeing her, so I call you an accessory and continue to be as long as you keep seeing this woman with her effed up family and all.
Author Gold Pile Posted December 3, 2015 Author Posted December 3, 2015 Craw, just google seal hunting and you'll see it's been going on a long time. It's fortunate bliss that you haven't been exposed to it. Maybe you shouldn't watch any video's. You don't want that imagery in your head. Many thoughtful posts here on an emotional subject, I appreciate it. Thanks to those who reached out (here and PM) to comfort me. I'm going to keep seeing this lady as long as we have a good sex life. I've never visit her relatives again. Perhaps this relationship will fail in time. Ole Gold Pile will land on his serial dater feet. Part of moving on is to stop droning on about it. I'm done with this thread. Thank You all again. 1
VeveCakes Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 I'm curious where in Quebec this was too...only because I thought it only happened on the coast. Sorry you went through this - I would have told them all to eff right off personally.
DrReplyInRhymes Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 As brutal as it may sound, this is only a problem of generations of a new view, For our grandfathers and their fathers grew up in times of war and strife too, Imagine living less than two centuries ago, and seeing ethnics strung up in trees, Hangings at the white house were commonplace, and hunting was free. I do agree that poachers are a different kind of evil at that, You must do what you feel is right, even if others think it is whack, But seal clubbing to feed their families a little before it's time, is akin to reporting fisherman for fishing a week before they buy a license with their dime.
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