William Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Morning folks, I noticed one of our hydras got a firm hold on the forum this morning and got nearly 50 posts in before I caught their two iterations. Hence, you may find some hanging quotes or responses to other members who responded to the hydra. We try to keep topical content as much as possible so I left such content in this thread. Here, 'east guy' was the hydra. Sorry for the disruption and please continue!
hotpotato Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Simple... For the same reason women fall for them.....Testosterone.... TFY Guys in general have become quite soft. Im more man than a lot of men out there. They have these soft girlie bodies while a lot of inmates come out all hard. Truth be told guy in question never seemed to have a problem getting girls with or without the record AFAIK. This guy wouldnt need the criminal record as he has probably always been fun and spontaneous. A lot of excons are naturally athletic high T guys who would be attracting women even without the records. 1
SteveC80 Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) That's the point. They're not low-life scumbags to the women who fall in love with them. Why? Love is an emotion. Linear thinking does not apply. I thought we were talking about women who seek these men which I've never encountered. The only time I've heard about women actively seeking these types of men is in ghettos Edited November 7, 2015 by SteveC80 2
Woggle Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 It's a desire to have a man with some masculinity and self respect. That is what the attraction to bad boys is. Most women don't want neutered men so this is a misguided attempt to have a man with some strength to him.
Myragal Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 I don't have friends who are attracted to criminals. Many posters have some romanticized image of these guys from movies. 98% of those coming through ER smelly, toothless addicts and such. They are not some imagined 'bad boy' full of charm. Some males turn their lives around in the late teens. These are mostly delinquent types...not 'criminals'. Some teen girls probably have a crush on them. After this the world divides. Most women don't frequent biker bars, crack houses, etc. I suppose they could come by ER ANY Saturday nigh and have their pick of these 'great' guys.
carhill Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 I thought we were talking about women who seek these men which I've never encountered. The only time I've heard about women actively seeking these types of men is in ghettos The OP asks 'why'. What percentage of the population lives in 'the ghetto'? Quite insignificant, if we look at numbers. Women everywhere fall in love with criminals and stay in relationships with criminals. Witness any prison town for evidence. They will even follow the criminal. These aren't 'ghetto' people, mostly. Yet, they love a criminal. Why? Perhaps the question begs is this a discussion to understand why in a scholarly manner or yet another opportunity to rag on women? We choose how to approach the topic. I approached it in one manner, that of seeking to understand. You choose what you want.
Myragal Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 The OP asks 'why'. What percentage of the population lives in 'the ghetto'? Quite insignificant, if we look at numbers. Women everywhere fall in love with criminals and stay in relationships with criminals. Witness any prison town for evidence. They will even follow the criminal. These aren't 'ghetto' people, mostly. Yet, they love a criminal. Why? Perhaps the question begs is this a discussion to understand why in a scholarly manner or yet another opportunity to rag on women? We choose how to approach the topic. I approached it in one manner, that of seeking to understand. You choose what you want. Not really. You have a misguided view of the prison population. It's largely semi literate drug addicts, etc. from ghettos and barrios. Visiting day is teenage girls with 2 babies. 1
Taramere Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 As far as the most thuggish, violent criminals goes...I suppose the women who would gravitate to them would be women who have a romantic fantasy about taming them, or who are attracted to the idea of very rough sex. Women wo are living in particularly deprived areas might take a pragmatic view that if they hook up with a guy like that, other men will leave them alone. Maybe not so dissimilar from what you hear about going on in men's prisons. If a guy becomes "wife" to a scary, thuggish type, he might have an unpleasant time of it - but he's more likely to be protected from lots of other thugs. Better the devil you know/are in some sort of familial feeling relationship with. Higher up the criminal food chain to the people who give work to those thuggish henchmen...well, I suppose the obvious factors of power and money. Also, people who live outside the law can be seductive in terms of appearing to be more free than other people. Feeling unfettered, as they do, by all the rules and regulations that the rest of us spend time worrying about and living by. Psychologically, a guy who's a criminal - possibly even a psychopath - represents that "free child" that we've all got inside us, longing to get out. Most people can find lawful methods of managing to cope with their inner rebellious child. If a woman is spending a lot of time adhering to other people's rules in order to be seen as "feminine" a good woman, etc the "outlaw" type guy is going to represent all those inner urges and compulsions that she might not have found a way of addressing or managing. When a conman presents himself to a woman like that as somebody who can help that frustrated inner wild child to escape and have some fun, you don't have to be a genius to guess how well that's likely to go down. I think the same is true of fairly straight laced guys who are drawn to "crazy women".
carhill Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Not really. You have a misguided view of the prison population. It's largely semi literate drug addicts, etc. from ghettos and barrios. Visiting day is teenage girls with 2 babies. Prove it. I interface with the prison system as a vendor. Regardless, that's still non-responsive to the question in the thread title.
buck3200 Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Well....the worst thing I've ever been in jail for as an adult is a warrant for a traffic ticket. But many of my childhood friends have been to prison. Many of my GFs have had family members that have been in prison. I've socialized with them and many were surprised to find that I have never been in prison. Hell, even some of my GFs were surprised to find out I hadn't been in prison. So I'd say it's mostly about having the attitude that you won't start no sh*t, but you sure can put an end to any sh*t that comes up that attracts women. I sure wouldn't want to be with a woman that would expect me to NOT fight if it became necessary. Someone else said testosterone...that's probably the closest to right of all.
Woggle Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 A lot of women I have dated are surprised to find out I don't have a police record as well. I have hung out with a lot of criminals and I have done small things that can get me arrested but no record here. Most real criminals I know hide it very well. A guy I grew up made a whole lot of money selling drugs and he is a complete nerd. You would never guess in a million years what his source of income is.
carhill Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 So, apparently, some blur the line when it comes to assertiveness, risk-taking, focusing on the goal, demonstrating dominant behavior, all of which, in non-criminal males, are apparently positive and masculine traits. 2
acrosstheuniverse Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 Some women like the drama, they like a macho man. Not much is more overtly macho than being in jail for an assault of some kind. For some women, they like the idea that their guy can protect them or defend the family if necessary. Lots of felons are very confident, cocky, resourceful, and determined, many crimes are a result of someone not stopping until they got what they wanted, be that material resources or attacking someone for revenge or whatever else. Those traits are attractive to women, though most women would be instantly turned off by it straying into crime, lots of women are not. They think they can 'change him' if only they show him enough love. Some women like a guy behind bars because it's 'safe', he won't (can't!) stray, isn't near any other women other than prison staff, he's right where she knows he is at all times and is likely to be desperate for attention from her. There can be a lot of 'ooh it's so romantic' being kept apart, holding hands during visiting hour. This is especially true of women who start to write to and date a felon when he was already behind bars for a long sentence before they ever started talking. Some women fall for someone, have a family then off he goes to jail, and they want to stick it out for their kids. It's not difficult to fall into a life of crime, especially when you're living in poverty. Most people I worked with in jail had substance abuse problems or were in abject poverty, if they didn't shoplift food they didn't get to feed their family. Some women are in abusive relationships. The guy assaults her, gets carted off to jail and she's still too scared to leave him as she knows when he gets out he'll come after her and anyone new she may be with. I used to work in a male prison (I'm a young female) and let me tell you, not one single guy in there struggled with women. Everyone had partners, kids with multiple women, they had more success with women than your average dude on the street by far. But bear in mind the type of women they were with, usually not sorted, together women with a career and some integrity, usually it was a fellow con who had also served time, had a drug problem, multiple kids with different men, just because they didn't struggle for women doesn't mean that those women are ones to be envied, I know that sounds judgmental but you know what I mean. Most stable men would run a mile. So it was more like attracting like. 1
MightyPen Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) I used to work in a male prison (I'm a young female) and let me tell you, not one single guy in there struggled with women. Everyone had partners, kids with multiple women, they had more success with women than your average dude on the street by far. But bear in mind the type of women they were with, usually not sorted, together women with a career and some integrity, usually it was a fellow con who had also served time, had a drug problem, multiple kids with different men, just because they didn't struggle for women doesn't mean that those women are ones to be envied, I know that sounds judgmental but you know what I mean. Most stable men would run a mile. So it was more like attracting like. I have some experience in law enforcement, and yes this was also my experience. It was NEVER that the woman wasn't sure about the guy's guilt or "true" self. Heck, they'd sit there and watch the dudes enter into guilty pleas and later be sentenced. I'd say about 75% of the criminal defendants I saw sentenced in court had a girlfriend/wife/baby-momma sitting there in the courtroom watching. But as accrosstheuniverse said, these women weren't likely business executives. They weren't what I would classify as "desirable." But they were there, and committed to "their men." And yes many normal, law-abiding dudes, struggle to get women, and I can see them saying, "This is ridiculous! I can't get a date but Mr. Thuggy McThuggish Pants has a woman sitting right there weeping over him." And I'd say, "Do you REALLY think you'd want that woman? Do you think it would be a positive thing for your life to be with her?" Edited November 8, 2015 by MightyPen 1
Tayla Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 could narrow down the types of crimes? that plays a key in decisions. Read a case where a gent was sentenced to ten years for his pet. It was upscale San Fran and they got some bizarre pet laws, well he apparently got arrested and is now serving time. Seemed civil enough when interviewed and yes a bit peeved at his time allotment while a thug gets a plea bargain with no time served for tattling on his gang. Some criminals do there time and have families ... stop labeling every person in prison is not worthy of a second chance... some white collar crimes seem to have their fifth avenue ladies ... Who are you to say the person is beyond being loved , unless they are psychotic and devoid of social remorse. 1
lollipopspot Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 Read a case where a gent was sentenced to ten years for his pet. It was upscale San Fran and they got some bizarre pet laws, well he apparently got arrested and is now serving time. Seemed civil enough when interviewed and yes a bit peeved at his time allotment while a thug gets a plea bargain with no time served for tattling on his gang. Pretty sure if he got 10 years it involved some type of torture. I don't consider that a "bizarre pet law," and his civility when being interviewed means nothing. Ted Bundy was a good interview too - he seems very sane and thoughtful - check out his last interview. Criminals always whine about how things are unfair.
Clarence_Boddicker Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 could narrow down the types of crimes? that plays a key in decisions. Read a case where a gent was sentenced to ten years for his pet. It was upscale San Fran and they got some bizarre pet laws, well he apparently got arrested and is now serving time. Seemed civil enough when interviewed and yes a bit peeved at his time allotment while a thug gets a plea bargain with no time served for tattling on his gang. Some criminals do there time and have families ... stop labeling every person in prison is not worthy of a second chance... some white collar crimes seem to have their fifth avenue ladies ... Who are you to say the person is beyond being loved , unless they are psychotic and devoid of social remorse. Cornfed is a lifer & has been before the attack. Knoller is still locked up I believe, but I didn't do a CDCR inmate search on her. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Diane_Whipple
lollipopspot Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 Thanks for referencing what story is being referred to. I'd have to research it more to have much of an opinion - didn't follow it closely when in the news.
Tayla Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 nice assumption though untrue. He was found guilty because his neighbors kept reporting him for his dog barking. He was fined numerous times. He makes the sad decision to have the dogs vocals removed.,comes back from where this was done... and the humane society press's charges.... go figure ... he tried in his mind to appease the neighbors and the laws and gets arrested. Maybe he should have muzzled the dog or tranquilized it? Neither of which sound any more pleasant. But lets stick with the assumption that he tortured it and was a ghetto slum person... its so much easier to sling mud at that perceived low life of a human.
lollipopspot Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 I apologize for misinterpreting, but your story was presented in a way that was fairly vague - Read a case where a gent was sentenced to ten years for his pet. The crime was against a human, not the animal. So when you reference "bizarre pet laws" it seemed to me that you were referring to animal welfare (of which there doesn't seem to be much, in this case). For people to get prison time for hurting their pet, there generally has to be some type of torture (if they get time at all). The dogs did get the death penalty though.
BikerAccnt Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 Its surprisingly simple. If a man can commit a crime, subconsciously a woman senses he can protect her, especially if he killed or robbed with weapons. . This is one of the most f'd up thought processes I've ever heard of. Seriously, is this how your brain works?
acrosstheuniverse Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 I have some experience in law enforcement, and yes this was also my experience. It was NEVER that the woman wasn't sure about the guy's guilt or "true" self. Heck, they'd sit there and watch the dudes enter into guilty pleas and later be sentenced. I'd say about 75% of the criminal defendants I saw sentenced in court had a girlfriend/wife/baby-momma sitting there in the courtroom watching. But as accrosstheuniverse said, these women weren't likely business executives. They weren't what I would classify as "desirable." But they were there, and committed to "their men." And yes many normal, law-abiding dudes, struggle to get women, and I can see them saying, "This is ridiculous! I can't get a date but Mr. Thuggy McThuggish Pants has a woman sitting right there weeping over him." And I'd say, "Do you REALLY think you'd want that woman? Do you think it would be a positive thing for your life to be with her?" Oh yes, the partners of the men I worked with knew their true nature and were in no doubt as to their innocence (or lack of). In really, really impoverished communities, where most of the guys I worked with came from, most of the crimes tended to be drug related (getting out of their minds to cope with past trauma or the futility of their situations) or to do with thefts, shoplifting and so forth. In those communities it seems that people do partner up as there isn't quite as much else to aim for as there is in a less impoverished community, fewer people who are career focused so put off finding a partner or having kids. Most people leave school, have kids asap and then have very little opportunity to progress into working at a decent job, if any job at all. To a lot of those people, a partnership is simply non-negotiable, and they'll go for someone less than desirable over nobody at all, to partner up and share resources and for protection. As there is a higher percentage of people committing crime in those communities it stands to reason that offending isn't the dealbreaker it is for people with more money, and more options. I'm not bringing anything to back this up, it's just an opinion of mine, based on working in impoverished communities, with offenders and in substance misuse.
thefooloftheyear Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 I dunno if I can call the women who find these men attractive lowlifes themselves or anything.... Some of the most level headed, successful and grounded women i've ever met turn into complete gullible and naive morons when it comes to relationships... Its one of the reasons low level;guys can game women so easily.,... I have a friend who has been gaming successful(and pretty good looking-especially for him) women off OLD....Its unbelievable that these women would even talk to him, let alone have sex with him and buy him junk...BTW, he looks like a thug and talks like Beavis... Crazy stuff.. TFY
basil67 Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 So many women fall for criminals?? You need to change who you hang out with.
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