Course of action with this very shy guy?

[Mystique01]

I don't see the logic behind why its masculine to work a little bit for the reward, that going for what you want is a masculine thing

 

That's just the way it is though. Call it nature, biology, instinct, whatever... Men and women are different.

 

The very definition of masculinity is typically very ACTION-oriented.

 

 

Well because all women have to do is just go out and show up, but men have to behave and act a certain way in order to be masculine and deemed a real Man

 

Again, that's basically the very definition of male vs female.

 

Male/Masculine = action-oriented, hunt, go after, giving, providing, etc.

 

Whereas, Female/Femininity/Feminine = passive, receptive, open, receiving,etc.

 

Look, even your electric cord has male and female parts. Male part = the plug (ahem....you know, the part with the ummmm spokes). Female part = the wall socket.

 

The wall soket doesn’t go looking for a plug. The plug looks for a wall socket, and sticks itself INTO the wall socket. Again, electric cord plug is masculine (giving, action), the wall socket is female (passive, receiving). Ummmmm does this sound kind of familiar *ahem* especially in the bedroom? Lol it should! .

 

Look, all jokes aside, sad to say but that's just how things are. You can complain that people view things that way, and try to go against thousands of years of human instinct, or you can just accept it and choose to do whatever you want. But don't be surprised if you don't experience the results you want easily.

[they]

That's just the way it is though. Call it nature, biology, instinct, whatever... Men and women are different.

 

The very definition of masculinity is typically very ACTION-oriented.

 

I accept we are both different, but your theory should backed up with sufficient evidence as it makes little sense. What about the millions of girls who earn degrees, go out to work, look after their kids, etc. Perhaps they enjoy ACTION-oriented hobbies such as knitting, dancing, and cooking. Their physiology did not evolve for them sit on their arse all day, they have legs.

[kitty12345]

The wall soket doesn’t go looking for a plug. The plug looks for a wall socket, and sticks itself INTO the wall socket. Again, electric cord plug is masculine (giving, action), the wall socket is female (passive, receiving). Ummmmm does this sound kind of familiar *ahem* especially in the bedroom? Lol it should! .

:):)

[they]

I accept we are both different, but your theory should backed up with sufficient evidence as it makes little sense. What about the millions of girls who earn degrees, go out to work, look after their kids, etc. Perhaps they enjoy ACTION-oriented hobbies such as knitting, dancing, and cooking. Their physiology did not evolve for them sit on their arse all day, they have legs.

 

And more importantly (can't edit now -_-), what about this girl that had a brain biologically telling her she really needed to pursue the guy? You could call this natural, instinct, whatever.

[MaggieJean]

Wow, this conversation really evolved! LOL

 

The thing is, I have a shy guy friend, and he has told me he was hurt and rejected a couple of times when he was young and just couldn't put himself out there. He did everything he could to try to attract a girl and then he hoped like crazy she would see through his problems and complexes to appreciate the real person. He is an awesome human being!

 

I feel that way about this guy. He is actually a really sweet, kind, lovely person who asked me questions about myself, was concerned if I didn't come to class because I was ill, seemed to really be very attracted to me but overwhelmed at the same time. I am a lot older than him and pretty outgoing. He had a really big crush on me than was starting to turn into a nice friendship...then I asked him to hike...and now he's just really uncommunicative in text. In person, he's just the same, sweet to me, smiling if I get a judo technique right, etc. But I am nervous I've scared him to the extent that he's now scared to chat to me again. My feeling is to leave him be for a little while and see how he is in person. If he still comes across as interested and keen, I'll set a date for that hike.

 

The problem is, I'm training with the guy in class and I'm training intensely. If things go south, we still have to train together! Better to be cautious?

[they]

Wow, this conversation really evolved! LOL

 

The thing is, I have a shy guy friend, and he has told me he was hurt and rejected a couple of times when he was young and just couldn't put himself out there. He did everything he could to try to attract a girl and then he hoped like crazy she would see through his problems and complexes to appreciate the real person. He is an awesome human being!

 

I feel that way about this guy. He is actually a really sweet, kind, lovely person who asked me questions about myself, was concerned if I didn't come to class because I was ill, seemed to really be very attracted to me but overwhelmed at the same time. I am a lot older than him and pretty outgoing. He had a really big crush on me than was starting to turn into a nice friendship...then I asked him to hike...and now he's just really uncommunicative in text. In person, he's just the same, sweet to me, smiling if I get a judo technique right, etc. But I am nervous I've scared him to the extent that he's now scared to chat to me again. My feeling is to leave him be for a little while and see how he is in person. If he still comes across as interested and keen, I'll set a date for that hike.

 

The problem is, I'm training with the guy in class and I'm training intensely. If things go south, we still have to train together! Better to be cautious?

 

Forget the hike, it is probably too much. Reminds me of when I was shy and a girl I really loved asked me to travel to a concert to meet her. I would have been uncomfortable in that sort of setting, plus I would have to worry about getting train back in time as we were in a LDR, etc. it was sad because I never got another chance to meet her.

 

How about a lunch/snack in the cafeteria after class? Try to make it not seem like a date, as that will add pressure to him.

[kitty12345]

No wonder he took a hike when you mentioned hike ! Thats too much for a shy person. Hike means walking breathless and talking.

Talking? A shy person

 

You have to take baby steps.Casual talk turned in to intense. If he is attracted to you, he will be speechless in front of you and struggle. You are outgoing, that makes it difficult for you to help him ,hehehe. A complete mismatch in the beginning but very fruitful later.If both are talking, who is going to listen ?

 

A quiet , private setting is best for shy people.They dont like crowds.So when ever you get to choose a place, choose low profile.When comfort level increases, change settings and build from there.

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

That's just the way it is though. Call it nature, biology, instinct, whatever... Men and women are different.

 

The very definition of masculinity is typically very ACTION-oriented.

 

 

 

 

Again, that's basically the very definition of male vs female.

 

Male/Masculine = action-oriented, hunt, go after, giving, providing, etc.

 

Whereas, Female/Femininity/Feminine = passive, receptive, open, receiving,etc.

 

Look, even your electric cord has male and female parts. Male part = the plug (ahem....you know, the part with the ummmm spokes). Female part = the wall socket.

 

The wall soket doesn’t go looking for a plug. The plug looks for a wall socket, and sticks itself INTO the wall socket. Again, electric cord plug is masculine (giving, action), the wall socket is female (passive, receiving). Ummmmm does this sound kind of familiar *ahem* especially in the bedroom? Lol it should! .

 

Look, all jokes aside, sad to say but that's just how things are. You can complain that people view things that way, and try to go against thousands of years of human instinct, or you can just accept it and choose to do whatever you want. But don't be surprised if you don't experience the results you want easily.

 

That's why I sometimes hate women, and since it is argued, debated that as women get older, their mating market value declines, because since men are naturally, instinctively, innately attracted to younger youthful women because they are more fertile, I like to view that getting older for women as life, reality, giving women karma for being passive and their lack of initiative towards men, expecting men to lead, taking the lead and being the initiators, the only women I have sympathy and compassion for are.the women that are not stubborn and don't feel it is the man's role to make the first move and be the initiator

Edited November 8, 2015 by BronzeAgeJaeger217

[xcupid]

Way too much overthinking here. Confirm plans to go on the hike with him. That's all you have to do. If he bails because he's "shy" then so be it. At least you'll know where things stand with him.

[MaggieJean]

Oh, it is a short and gentle hike in a forest and there are few people. He likes hiking. I told him I can't go fast as I'm injured (I'm normally a runner). He said that's good because he's quite unfit and needs to work on his fitness. It's actually a very lovely, peaceful place and he doesn't have to talk much. Our silences together have got pretty comfortable since we more or less acknowledged our friendship/attraction/whatever.

 

I'm just giving him a bit of space - he starts a new job today - and will pick up with him closer to the weekend to see if he's up for it.

 

If I'm overthinking, it's because we've been in this 'thing' for almost a year and have been trying to work out ways to come together without scaring one another and ourselves. In our text chats, I've got to know quite a bit about him and he about me, and we're very similar (don't drink, like to read, gamers, like meditating, close to our families, love cats...haha). He's kinda awesome in my eyes.

 

And yeah, I don't believe men HAVE to take the lead if they're not up to it - why should they? If they need some support and encouragement, that's fine. He likes strong women, his mother is incredibly strong (and quite scary). I think it's far more important if people feel a connection, a rapport - then, whatever works for them is fine. Society's hung up on 'rules' and most of us break those rules in one way or another, anyway... Trust me, I did NOT see him as a potential romantic partner in the early days because I simply thought of him as a youngster. When getting to know him, I realised he's nothing like his childish peers - in fact, he seems more conservative, mature and thoughtful than me!

[joseb]

As a shy guy myself I think most of us shy people tend to really wan to succeed and when we find someone we do like its a case of really giving everything we can to try and woo that person which pushes us way out of comfort zone and just makes any rejection harder to bear.

 

I was a very shy kid. I'm still shy in a lot of ways, but most people wouldn't know it.

I always remember the Smiths song from when I was a kid:

"Shyness is nice, and

Shyness can stop you

From doing all the things in life

You'd like to"

 

As far as getting out of your comfort zone, you should be trying to do just that, do at least one thing every day that makes you uncomfortable - it's how we grow, and feel better about ourselves.

 

Rejection is only a problem if you let it be. It really is as simple as that.

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

Because he has to work a little bit for the reward it seems to me that nowadays some men have forgotten how to behave like men.

 

And I hate people who think men have it easier, have the upper hand, and there are times I feel like punching people in the face whenever they say "it's never too late, you have plenty of time, better late than never"

[MaggieJean]

That's why I sometimes hate women, and since it is argued, debated that as women get older, their mating market value declines, because since men are naturally, instinctively, innately attracted to younger youthful women because they are more fertile, I like to view that getting older for women as life, reality, giving women karma for being passive and their lack of initiative towards men, expecting men to lead, taking the lead and being the initiators, the only women I have sympathy and compassion for are.the women that are not stubborn and don't feel it is the man's role to make the first move and be the initiator

 

Aaargh, don't hate women! I'm an older woman and I've done my share of both 'waiting' and 'chasing' in life...I've been pursued and I've been rejected. It's tough being the person doing the pursuing - people think it's easy, but no, it's not: you put yourself out there and you're vulnerable. Some people get so good at chasing that it becomes a game, but then, how much feeling are they putting into it, really?

 

What amazes me about my situation is that we like each other so much we're both crippled by shyness. For that reason, to put pressure on this guy would be a big mistake, so I'm just taking it easy and gaining his trust and his friendship bit by bit. So far, he's been happy with the attention (I even asked him if it felt weird to him, and he said no, not at all). He's totally worth the effort.

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

Aaargh, don't hate women! I'm an older woman and I've done my share of both 'waiting' and 'chasing' in life...I've been pursued and I've been rejected. It's tough being the person doing the pursuing - people think it's easy, but no, it's not: you put yourself out there and you're vulnerable. Some people get so good at chasing that it becomes a game, but then, how much feeling are they putting into it, really?

 

What amazes me about my situation is that we like each other so much we're both crippled by shyness. For that reason, to put pressure on this guy would be a big mistake, so I'm just taking it easy and gaining his trust and his friendship bit by bit. So far, he's been happy with the attention (I even asked him if it felt weird to him, and he said no, not at all). He's totally worth the effort.

 

Ya after all, they say all humans in a way start off as women in the womb when the fetus is developing, a penis is a transformed version of a vagina, there's a few articles about that online

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

Reason why it makes me mad whenever people say its never too late or you have plenty of time, better late than never, is because its easy to feel jealous, envious of people who are ahead of you and got to experience what you missed out on earlier, that is if you did miss out on it earlier

[xUnknown]

I was shy growing up (elementary school, high school...a little first semester of college). I'm now 25.

 

I had a similar situation when I was in high school. Crushing on this one girl. Known her since grade school so we were always friends for the most part. I never made a move. Now, a few months ago, she's single and we reconnect. She expressed to me how she's always been into me. Kicking myself now for not going after it at the time. But that's life and lessons learned. I got a bit of an ego boost which was nice too.

 

My advice, message him and ask him how his first day at work went. He'd love to hear from you and have you asking about his day (since you made it seem he knows so much of things you tell him - it'll stand out). Sounds like this guy likes you. I would still be persistent. Don't worry about coming on too strong. If you back off now, you both will be hurt. I'd ask him about his first day today, then tomorrow ask how his day went then confirm the hiking plans.

[MaggieJean]

Thanks for the sensible advice. I did message him. He replied that his first day went well but he's a bit worried they may expect a lot from him as there's a lot to be done before the end of the year. I said it's unlikely they'd expect him to be good at stuff he's only just learning to do, etc.

 

Chat started well, but after five minutes he went silent. Being slightly neurotic, I texted, "Hey, please let me know if it's just too weird to chat. I've been enjoying our chats, but I don't want to force a friendship on you if it feels too weird - I know we train together."

 

He said, "I enjoy our chats, too, but I forgot to reply...I was reading a news article...my head's all over the place. How was your day?" It sorta fizzled out from there.

 

Not the most encouraging conversation - previously, he would fall over himself to reply to my texts and was super-attentive. I'm not hugely reassured.

 

He was crushing on me so hard before that it seems peculiar he's being so 'out there'...

[Mystique01]

I accept we are both different, but your theory should backed up with sufficient evidence as it makes little sense. What about the millions of girls who earn degrees, go out to work, look after their kids, etc. Perhaps they enjoy ACTION-oriented hobbies such as knitting, dancing, and cooking. Their physiology did not evolve for them sit on their arse all day, they have legs.

 

I don't know why you're comparing hobbies, going to work, and getting an education with ROMANTIC relationships. They are two separate different things!

 

The same intensity that you use to get an education or search for a job is not the same level of intensity you would use when you're looking for a romantic relationship. It does not always work in the love department.

 

My "theory" is not a theory....It's backed up by many various examples. Not everyone is the same (of course), but TYPICALLY in history, men usually go after women they want. They may not go after EVERY single woman that makes them turn their head, but MOST men WILL show some form of interest if interested.

 

 

 

And more importantly (can't edit now -_-), what about this girl that had a brain biologically telling her she really needed to pursue the guy? You could call this natural, instinct, whatever.

 

Hey, if a woman wants to go after a guy, that's her choice. I wasn't saying what SHOULD happen or what MIGHT happen.... Someone asked the question why it's always looked at as the man who goes after a woman and not the other way around. Well, I was just explaining that the very definition of masculinity is ACTION-oriented. You can't deny that. It's in our blood.

 

Now if a woman wants to go after a guy and chase him down, that's HER choice. As long as she's cool with it, then hey, why not??

 

I just know that for ME personally that has NOT worked out for ME. The better relationships were the ones where the GUY showed me he was interested and initiated something. Of course, I was always nice, friendly, open, and engaging as well. So it's not so much that I think it should be a "RULE", but more so that it just seems to work better when the guy is originally interested in the woman. Not the other way around.

 

I don't think women can "grow" on men (guys correct me if I'm wrong), and because men are so visual (again...biologically-speaking), it's much better if they are attracted to the woman from the outset it seems. If the guy isn't attracted, no amount of a girl being "nice", friendly, or CHASING him is going to work. That's why I think it's better for the man to make the move. He doesn't HAVE to make the first move, but it's usually better off that way it seems.

 

 

 

That's why I sometimes hate women, and since it is argued, debated that as women get older, their mating market value declines, because since men are naturally, instinctively, innately attracted to younger youthful women because they are more fertile, I like to view that getting older for women as life, reality, giving women karma for being passive and their lack of initiative towards men, expecting men to lead, taking the lead and being the initiators, the only women I have sympathy and compassion for are.the women that are not stubborn and don't feel it is the man's role to make the first move and be the initiator

 

Hey...don't hate the messenger, I'm just stating what is the usual case.

 

9 times out of 10, when you speak to married couples and ask them who made the first move, a LOT of times it was the man. Even if the woman initiated to get the ball "rolling" so to speak, the man usually always secretly had a crush on her or was attracted.

 

That tells me that if a man is going to marry a woman, he usually makes the first move or is definitely attracted in the woman.

 

Now the woman can take a chance and go after the guy if she wishes....again, I'm not saying that for some women that doesn't work...because for SOME women that does. But for ME personally, I've never seen it work. Maybe if I were more "outgoing" in that department it would work. But since I'm more naturally "shy" and reserved, me going after a guy just seems very OUT of place for me. I don't feel "myself", and if I don't feel myself, it's going to be hard for me to attract a guy I'm interested in anyway...even IF I went after him.

 

As long as I'm friendly, smiling, engaging, laughing at your jokes, why WOULDN'T a guy have the guts to take things further?

 

 

 

Oh, it is a short and gentle hike in a forest and there are few people. He likes hiking. I told him I can't go fast as I'm injured (I'm normally a runner). He said that's good because he's quite unfit and needs to work on his fitness. It's actually a very lovely, peaceful place and he doesn't have to talk much. Our silences together have got pretty comfortable since we more or less acknowledged our friendship/attraction/whatever.

 

I'm just giving him a bit of space - he starts a new job today - and will pick up with him closer to the weekend to see if he's up for it.

 

If I'm overthinking, it's because we've been in this 'thing' for almost a year and have been trying to work out ways to come together without scaring one another and ourselves. In our text chats, I've got to know quite a bit about him and he about me, and we're very similar (don't drink, like to read, gamers, like meditating, close to our families, love cats...haha). He's kinda awesome in my eyes.

 

And yeah, I don't believe men HAVE to take the lead if they're not up to it - why should they? If they need some support and encouragement, that's fine. He likes strong women, his mother is incredibly strong (and quite scary). I think it's far more important if people feel a connection, a rapport - then, whatever works for them is fine. Society's hung up on 'rules' and most of us break those rules in one way or another, anyway... Trust me, I did NOT see him as a potential romantic partner in the early days because I simply thought of him as a youngster. When getting to know him, I realised he's nothing like his childish peers - in fact, he seems more conservative, mature and thoughtful than me!

 

So did you guys already have the hike? Or, when is the hike?

 

Since you've already asked him to go on the hike, I don't think you need to keep overthinking it. It's not like he turned you down. I honestly don't get the impression that you need to ruminate over it too much. Forget about how long it's taken to get to this point, and just enjoy the time with him when you two go hiking.

[Mystique01]

Thanks for the sensible advice. I did message him. He replied that his first day went well but he's a bit worried they may expect a lot from him as there's a lot to be done before the end of the year. I said it's unlikely they'd expect him to be good at stuff he's only just learning to do, etc.

 

Chat started well, but after five minutes he went silent. Being slightly neurotic, I texted, "Hey, please let me know if it's just too weird to chat. I've been enjoying our chats, but I don't want to force a friendship on you if it feels too weird - I know we train together."

 

He said, "I enjoy our chats, too, but I forgot to reply...I was reading a news article...my head's all over the place. How was your day?" It sorta fizzled out from there.

 

Not the most encouraging conversation - previously, he would fall over himself to reply to my texts and was super-attentive. I'm not hugely reassured.

 

He was crushing on me so hard before that it seems peculiar he's being so 'out there'...

 

Awww....Sorry about that..... He seems like maybe his interest levels are changing or something.

 

 

And see...people keep fighting me on this, but THIS is precisely why I always deep down feel like it's better for the man to make the first moves and take the initiative. I'm just being honest here. I have been in this very situation before and I hated it. I hated the overanalyzation, the anxiety, the wondering, the worrying, etc. Maybe some women can handle that, but I personally can't. It puts me on edge. :(That's why, as a general guideline these days I try to see if a guy is genuinely interested in me first before I make any moves. I've been so wrong in the past lol....I just find it's better when the guy makes the move. But since you've already invited him, I don't think you need to un-do anything. Just go with the flow!

 

Now he may still just be busy and frazzled at the moment with his new position and just is focused on other things... So, don't get discouraged too quickly. Just be patient.

 

At least you still have the hike to go on with him. I wouldn't be sending him anymore messages saying that you hope you're not bothering him or trying to force a friendship on him. That doesn't put out the best vibe imo. You are a catch, you should view yourself as a catch, and tell yourself that ANY man would love to be in your company.

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

I don't know why you're comparing hobbies, going to work, and getting an education with ROMANTIC relationships. They are two separate different things!

 

The same intensity that you use to get an education or search for a job is not the same level of intensity you would use when you're looking for a romantic relationship. It does not always work in the love department.

 

My "theory" is not a theory....It's backed up by many various examples. Not everyone is the same (of course), but TYPICALLY in history, men usually go after women they want. They may not go after EVERY single woman that makes them turn their head, but MOST men WILL show some form of interest if interested.

 

 

 

 

 

Hey, if a woman wants to go after a guy, that's her choice. I wasn't saying what SHOULD happen or what MIGHT happen.... Someone asked the question why it's always looked at as the man who goes after a woman and not the other way around. Well, I was just explaining that the very definition of masculinity is ACTION-oriented. You can't deny that. It's in our blood.

 

Now if a woman wants to go after a guy and chase him down, that's HER choice. As long as she's cool with it, then hey, why not??

 

I just know that for ME personally that has NOT worked out for ME. The better relationships were the ones where the GUY showed me he was interested and initiated something. Of course, I was always nice, friendly, open, and engaging as well. So it's not so much that I think it should be a "RULE", but more so that it just seems to work better when the guy is originally interested in the woman. Not the other way around.

 

I don't think women can "grow" on men (guys correct me if I'm wrong), and because men are so visual (again...biologically-speaking), it's much better if they are attracted to the woman from the outset it seems. If the guy isn't attracted, no amount of a girl being "nice", friendly, or CHASING him is going to work. That's why I think it's better for the man to make the move. He doesn't HAVE to make the first move, but it's usually better off that way it seems.

 

 

 

 

 

Hey...don't hate the messenger, I'm just stating what is the usual case.

 

9 times out of 10, when you speak to married couples and ask them who made the first move, a LOT of times it was the man. Even if the woman initiated to get the ball "rolling" so to speak, the man usually always secretly had a crush on her or was attracted.

 

That tells me that if a man is going to marry a woman, he usually makes the first move or is definitely attracted in the woman.

 

Now the woman can take a chance and go after the guy if she wishes....again, I'm not saying that for some women that doesn't work...because for SOME women that does. But for ME personally, I've never seen it work. Maybe if I were more "outgoing" in that department it would work. But since I'm more naturally "shy" and reserved, me going after a guy just seems very OUT of place for me. I don't feel "myself", and if I don't feel myself, it's going to be hard for me to attract a guy I'm interested in anyway...even IF I went after him.

 

As long as I'm friendly, smiling, engaging, laughing at your jokes, why WOULDN'T a guy have the guts to take things further?

 

 

 

 

 

So did you guys already have the hike? Or, when is the hike?

 

Since you've already asked him to go on the hike, I don't think you need to keep overthinking it. It's not like he turned you down. I honestly don't get the impression that you need to ruminate over it too much. Forget about how long it's taken to get to this point, and just enjoy the time with him when you two go hiking.

 

And yet you are a woman I bet who probably has the attitude that men have it easier in life than women do and that a person is never too old for dating and relationships, never too late for a man to get a girlfriend

[truth_seeker]

Is he shy or is he not shy? That is the question...

 

How about an experiment? Get him alone and flash him. Show him what you got. If he runs away, then he's gay. If he stands there and stares, he's shy. If he jumps your bones, he's very into you.

[Mystique01]

Is he shy or is he not shy? That is the question...

 

How about an experiment? Get him alone and flash him. Show him what you got. If he runs away, then he's gay. If he stands there and stares, he's shy. If he jumps your bones, he's very into you.

 

Lol!

 

Well that's definitely one way to get to the bottom of this "mystery"!!!

[they]

I stand corrected, Mystique01. When you mentioned masculinity 'hunts' I thought you meant men get the food while woman are passive by lazing about doing nothing. And that it applies to everything.

Even still, your post seems ambiguous to me, woman receive what ? and why don't they give? also, are they really always 'open'? surely guys are the same, too ?

 

To TC, he sounds disinterested ... I don't know what advice to give to you.

Edited November 10, 2015 by they

[joseb]

Reason why it makes me mad whenever people say its never too late or you have plenty of time, better late than never, is because its easy to feel jealous, envious of people who are ahead of you and got to experience what you missed out on earlier, that is if you did miss out on it earlier

 

You think you have had it bad, do you?

Did you grow up in a war zone where there wasn't enough to eat and you had to beg and steal to survive.

Because I have friends who did, and i dont hear them complaining about missing out on stuff and being envious. They're happy to now have a chance at a proper life.

Stop moaning about the past and start living.

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

You think you have had it bad, do you?

Did you grow up in a war zone where there wasn't enough to eat and you had to beg and steal to survive.

Because I have friends who did, and i dont hear them complaining about missing out on stuff and being envious. They're happy to now have a chance at a proper life.

Stop moaning about the past and start living.

 

ya well it's just the thoughts of knowing how behind I am in the dating/mating game, and whenever people say it's never too late for a guy to get a girlfriend, which pisses me off, and that guys become more attractive as they age, mainly because I hate being different, hate being the odd-man out, knowing that I can't start dating in my late teens and early 20's like most people do, I remember it made me boiling, enraging mad when this one woman said this regarding it being never too late:

 

 

"Because it isn't. My 72 year-old landlord and her 90 year-old boyfriend are proof of that."

 

 

Boy I was so pissed off when she said that I felt like breaking a chair inside my house