Hasmik Posted May 11, 2005 Posted May 11, 2005 I read some place that you need to negotiate for more money when offered a job. I read that women tend to take the salary they are being offered, while men tend to ask for more money. And the author thinks that this may be one of the reasons why men tend to be better paid than women. So I read this last week and decided to negotiate when I get a call with an offer. I got an offer the next day. And…couldn’t do it. :sigh: I just asked “can I negotiate?” The person said that he wouldn’t recommend and I said ok. I really cannot do it.
tiki Posted May 11, 2005 Posted May 11, 2005 Some people think that as automatic default, the man runs the home, he's the breadwinner. It's just not so, in many cases. In some cases, it's nothing BUT the woman.
Author Hasmik Posted May 11, 2005 Author Posted May 11, 2005 True, and they have to work harder sometimes + kids and at home.
fanou22 Posted May 11, 2005 Posted May 11, 2005 Because it is a man deciding the salary and whether it is negotiable or not with a woman
greenhorn Posted May 12, 2005 Posted May 12, 2005 Hasmik Is it true? I find it hard to believe? Any company has well defined HR procedure, the grades are defined for job and they carry salary as per the grade. The salary is documented for everyone to see and one gets the same, whatever be the gender. When we switch jobs what we negotiate in terms of salary is actually the grade, cause actually the person who is negotiating with you can't promise more than what is specified for the grade. I feel that women get more pay, in my organisation it is like in the annual appraisal if you get 5 out of 5 you get 10k dollars per year as your variable pay, if you get 4 then 9k if 3 then 8k. Ladies are usually appraised as 5 out of 5 or atleast 4 and guys are always hovering around 3 . I feel ladies get more pay, in my native country there is one Bull s*** tax law, which says that ladies need to pay less tax, so again increase in net take home pay for them
alphamale Posted May 12, 2005 Posted May 12, 2005 Originally posted by Hasmik And…couldn’t do it. :sigh: I just asked “can I negotiate?” only an idiot would "ask" if they can negotiate. all u say is I cannot hire in with you at the salary. and every company that makes a job offer EXPECTS you to counter offer. do u understand that HASMIK??? the lowball you on the salary offer amount cause they excpect you to return with a higher amt and then u compromise in between. Say they offer you $45K. You say, sorrry, I need $50K. They come back with $47K and then u say OK. its simple and its business and hiring managers expect it. man, do I have to tell you people everything??
dgiirl Posted May 12, 2005 Posted May 12, 2005 I dont like to negotiate at all. Everytime it came to my raise, I researched what my male colleges were getting, and then expected a fair increase. My speech usually goes along the lines of "I'm not really comfortable with these negotiations. I know I'm worth 50K, and I would like 50K". I've always got what I wanted, and am very happy with my job/salary. Maybe the males are getting more, but for me, as long as I have money and i think it's fair, I'm happy. An extra thousand doesnt make me happy and isnt worth the hassles of negotiating. I'm currently the highest paid employee at my company My boss' are always very happy with me, and as we speak, my ex-boss is offering me a job. Unfortunately, I'm not staying in the city so I cant take it. Just be confident in yourself, research what you can make elsewhere, and dont be submissive.
dgiirl Posted May 12, 2005 Posted May 12, 2005 Also, when going to a new job, I always base it off my previous salary. If I was making 45 at the last company, I increase it by a few thousand at the new company. All my vacation time, and benefits also get carried over. I tell them this is what I was getting at my last employer, so I would like to keep that. Then after the first year, I ask for more benefits.
Cecelius Posted May 12, 2005 Posted May 12, 2005 If she didn't deny it, I'd say that dgiirl is actually a MASTER negotiator...
dgiirl Posted May 12, 2005 Posted May 12, 2005 heh, we'll see. I'm about to do the job hunt again and we'll see how it works out *crosses fingers*
greenhorn Posted May 12, 2005 Posted May 12, 2005 Originally posted by dgiirl heh, we'll see. I'm about to do the job hunt again and we'll see how it works out *crosses fingers* All the best Dgiirl, I am awaiting the treat and (your *wink* too)
dgiirl Posted May 12, 2005 Posted May 12, 2005 lol greenhorn, i thought of you today! Some cute guy held the door open for me (was that you?) He had already entered the store, and could have easily continued on, but he decided to wait a few extra seconds to hold the door open Havent had that happen to me in a really long time
greenhorn Posted May 12, 2005 Posted May 12, 2005 Originally posted by dgiirl lol greenhorn, i thought of you today! Some cute guy held the door open for me (was that you?) He had already entered the store, and could have easily continued on, but he decided to wait a few extra seconds to hold the door open Havent had that happen to me in a really long time Oops, I didn't go out from my office today , so that wasn't me , missed it. But next time you wink at some cute guy eating dinner alone, then it will be me. . It is so good to hear that you are doing well now, and feeling less of the hurt.
dgiirl Posted May 12, 2005 Posted May 12, 2005 Originally posted by greenhorn But next time you wink at some cute guy eating dinner alone, then it will be me. . It is so good to hear that you are doing well now, and feeling less of the hurt. Thanks I'm happy too It took a lot to get here, and I'm sure i'll regress in the future, but once everything is final, I'm going to be happy. The way I'm looking at it (or trying to), my husband made this decision, but I'm going to make it right. He told me right before he left that maybe in a year things might work out, but it would take a miracle for that to happen. And right now, it would definitely take a miracle because he would have to be a completely new guy.
BrotherAaron Posted May 12, 2005 Posted May 12, 2005 I've read several times that the gender pay gap is really not very apparent when you look at people of the opposite sex in the same situations. What really makes the difference is the fact that women entering the workforce in large numbers has been a recent social shift. Many women enter into the service sector of the economy (gas station, video store, department store) which pays much less then the professional/corporate sector, or work part time as a supplement to their husband's income. Women in the professional sector have been there, on average, for a shorter time then the men, since women have only recently begun entering the workforce in large numbers. There are men who have been working in these big companies for 50 years who are pulling six figure incomes still, but there are very few women who have been working professionally in the workforce for that long and making that much money. Since women have only been recently fully accepted (or almost fully accepted) there is still a while to go before it all evens out statistically. That said, we also seem to have a social phobia of women leadership, so it's harder for women to get positions as CEOs of large companies and other high-up positions that really pull in the big bucks.
lindya Posted May 13, 2005 Posted May 13, 2005 One golden rule is, I think, never to ask whether a salary is negotiable. Just assume that it is...unless of course you're working for a bureaucracy where fixed salaries are only ever raised on a "points scale" according to length of service.
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