Grumpybutfun Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Please list those excessive feminist comments...so far, I've found none in your OP or posts here. Thanks, G 2
lollipopspot Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Ranging from generalising me as a man for things their past boyfriends did That's a non sequitur that can't be reasonably associated with a political movement for equality. Ahhhhhh...now I'm beginning to understand. This thread is about the colloquial term "feminist". Colloquially-speaking, a "feminist" is any woman who displays a trait that the particular man affixing the labels doesn't like. Pretty much. 2
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 Please list those excessive feminist comments...so far, I've found none in your OP or posts here. Thanks, G I did grumps. Not in op because the exact comments are not pertinent to the question. Try reading before grumping. The comments I've seen are... Under things im good at Mansplaining mansplaining. Stopping misogynist one dick at a time. Calling men out on being misogynist pricks. Now that I've listed three that I recently read does this give the post any more or less validity? I didn't Co e here to argue the semantics of the word feminism or its merits. I came to ask if these women are man bashers or not. Good grief.
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 That is a "men's rights" website and not a source for any valid information. Go to the CDC directly for the actual statistics. Since 1/3 of murdered women in the USA were killed by their male domestic partners, those spurious claims like the one you cited are just ... evil. Where does it say it is a 'men's rigts' page? Also why the quotes? I read the site and it is specifically for victims of abuse regardless of gender. I found nothing in there explicitly station a mission to look out for men. I do admit that I didn't verify the sources they cited but there are many peer reviewed journals cited so maybe I will do so. If one can claim a more violent gender.. then one can claim a smarter gender and a more logical gender and a more hysterical gender. Just sayin.
lana-banana Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I did grumps. Not in op because the exact comments are not pertinent to the question. Try reading before grumping. The comments I've seen are... Under things im good at Mansplaining mansplaining. Stopping misogynist one dick at a time. Calling men out on being misogynist pricks. Now that I've listed three that I recently read does this give the post any more or less validity? I didn't Co e here to argue the semantics of the word feminism or its merits. I came to ask if these women are man bashers or not. Good grief. Feminism is related to but not equivalent with calling out misogyny. This woman says she's good at calling out misogyny, which doesn't make her a "man-basher" or even a feminist. It means she cares about calling out misogyny, period. Nothing you've provided indicates she dislikes or hates men---which doesn't even make sense, because otherwise why else would she be trying to meet new ones?---just misogynists. I agree with the other posters who think this sounds like a lot of whining over nothing.
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 Feminism is related to but not equivalent with calling out misogyny. This woman says she's good at calling out misogyny, which doesn't make her a "man-basher" or even a feminist. It means she cares about calling out misogyny, period. Nothing you've provided indicates she dislikes or hates men---which doesn't even make sense, because otherwise why else would she be trying to meet new ones?---just misogynists. I agree with the other posters who think this sounds like a lot of whining over nothing. It was a question.. not whining. Way to read my posts before judging. I think anyone who needs to write that that they call out misogynist pricks probably thinks incorrectly about feminism and the source of sexism. But thanks for your input.
lana-banana Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I think anyone who needs to write that that they call out misogynist pricks probably thinks incorrectly about feminism and the source of sexism. But thanks for your input. So people who are vocal about trying to correct deeply ingrained social problems are "thinking incorrectly"? Gotcha.
Grumpybutfun Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I did grumps. Not in op because the exact comments are not pertinent to the question. Try reading before grumping. The comments I've seen are... Under things im good at Mansplaining mansplaining. Stopping misogynist one dick at a time. Calling men out on being misogynist pricks. Now that I've listed three that I recently read does this give the post any more or less validity? I didn't Co e here to argue the semantics of the word feminism or its merits. I came to ask if these women are man bashers or not. Good grief. I always read the entire thread before commenting. Nothing you wrote seems excessive to men who aren't misogynists. As I don't relate to misogynists, I know those comments aren't about me and therefore it wouldn't effect me in the least to interact. They are bashing/weeding out misogynists, not men. If it affronts your sensibilities, you might want to ask yourself why. G 3
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 People who think that all misogynist behavior is intentional and makes someone a price is.
HereNorThere Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 This might be derailing, but what rights does a man have in the Western world that a woman doesn't have? I think that's the whole point. Because of some strong women standing up for themselves, women now have equal rights and protection under law here in the U.S. Blacks in the U.S. have equal rights and protections, but that doesn't change the fact that half the population are downright hateful, ignorant racist S.O.B.s. If they weren't, there would have been no reason for the civil rights movement in the first place. Just because someone is afforded equal protection under law doesn't mean that society just naturally treats them as equals. There are plenty of homophobic, misogynistic, misandristic, racist people left out there. Equal protection under the law doesn't change their attitudes or make them magically start treating people better. Not tolerating someone's intolerance doesn't make you intolerant. Wrap your head around that one. 5
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 I always read the entire thread before commenting. Nothing you wrote seems excessive to men who aren't misogynists. As I don't relate to misogynists, I know those comments aren't about me and therefore it wouldn't effect me in the least to interact. They are bashing/weeding out misogynists, not men. If it affronts your sensibilities, you might want to ask yourself why. G Such attitudes bother me because I faced an almost career ending lie from a woman that was automatically given merit because she has a vagina. So while I am supportive of feminism I have grown weary of self proclaimed feminists...
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 Anyway.. this thread has digressed to some stupid debate on feminism, definitions, and proselytizing. Grumps and Lana answers are seemingly yes... that I am missing out on potential matched. Alot of others suggest I am not. Questions been answered. I'm out now.
HereNorThere Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Such attitudes bother me because I faced an almost career ending lie from a woman that was automatically given merit because she has a vagina. So while I am supportive of feminism I have grown weary of self proclaimed feminists... So it finally comes out. Show us where on the doll she touched you. Just because you were violated by one woman who used her gender to further her own agenda doesn't mean that all women are are like that. It's silly to think one anecdotal thing that happened to you could cause you to question every woman who is a feminist. I don't even know where to begin on that one. 5
lollipopspot Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 If one can claim a more violent gender.. then one can claim a smarter gender and a more logical gender and a more hysterical gender. Just sayin. Given that males commit about 90% of murders (I don't think that it can be argued that murders by females are somehow not reported or underreported), and males are about 80% of violent offenders, I think the male gender at this point in time is more violent. Which does not mean that all men are violent. 4
HereNorThere Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Anyway.. this thread has digressed to some stupid debate on feminism, definitions, and proselytizing. Grumps and Lana answers are seemingly yes... that I am missing out on potential matched. Alot of others suggest I am not. Questions been answered. I'm out now. The name of the freakn thread is "Excessive Feminist Comments; Online Dating" and here we are debating feminism and the women who proclaim to be feminist. Imagine that.. 2
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) HereNorThere I am not furthering my agenda. I asked a simple question in OP. I didn't ask for anyones opinions on the definition and legitimacy of feminism. Whatever conclusions you are drawing are gravely incorrect. Further, I posted about 6 posts from OP about the same situation that has made me weary. So "there you have it" a long time ago. Your condescending attitude can take a hike. Maybe I should have written "aggressive" and not "excessive" and we can start a whole debate on which term is more appropriate. There are many ways people can mention they are feminists and think about the unjustness of our society that don't involve using pejoratives. As much as bitch is a derogatory word, so is prick. A threat title is simply a title, the topic of the thread is the content of the first post. My question was simple- are these women who use these terms ball busters or normal feminists? Am I missing out by not giving them a chance? We are a product of our experiences, so for me, I am worried that it will be the former. You're immature attitude isn't welcome here, in this thread that I started with a specific question. So I'm sorry that I didn't mention your name in my list, don't cry about it. Just move on if you have nothing further that is constructive to say. Edited August 11, 2015 by LoveRefreshed
VengeanceGuidesMe Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) I've missed all the fun To OP: I'd stay away. Anyone who expresses themselves like that are bound to be full of ire and no fun to go on a date with. I don't think you're missing out on much. Feminism is clearly needed. Despite women having the right to vote, they're severally underrepresented in all things political and professional, except prostitution. That they have almost a monopoly on. The ball busters do themselves a disservice just as the Westborough Baptists do to Christianity and Kwame Kilpatrick did for African Americans. Yeah, they exist, they aren't the majority, but they are the ones in the spot light. Such as it is, that is why these debates go on. Edited August 11, 2015 by VengeanceGuidesMe lyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 1
mrldii Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I did grumps. Not in op because the exact comments are not pertinent to the question. Try reading before grumping. The comments I've seen are... Under things im good at Mansplaining mansplaining. Stopping misogynist one dick at a time. Calling men out on being misogynist pricks. Now that I've listed three that I recently read does this give the post any more or less validity? I didn't Co e here to argue the semantics of the word feminism or its merits. I came to ask if these women are man bashers or not. Good grief. A "misogynist" is going to be a "man-basher"; they kinda have to be, since it's what defines the world. A "feminist" is NOT a "misogynist"; the presence of one precludes the presence of the other, by the terms' definitions. This thread is NOT about "misogynists", it's about "feminists" and the "excessive [self-titled] comments" they make on their OLD profiles. The class is still waiting for examples of these "excessive feminist comments", so we can ALL get [back] on topic.
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 A "misogynist" is going to be a "man-basher"; they kinda have to be, since it's what defines the world. A "feminist" is NOT a "misogynist"; the presence of one precludes the presence of the other, by the terms' definitions. This thread is NOT about "misogynists", it's about "feminists" and the "excessive [self-titled] comments" they make on their OLD profiles. The class is still waiting for examples of these "excessive feminist comments", so we can ALL get [back] on topic. As I mentioned before, I guess I really meant aggressive. How are those comments aren't aggressive, please tell me? Like I said, there are a lot of ways to mention what you are into without using hostile language. Using terms like dick and prick combined with how they are somehow putting them in their place seems rather aggressive to me.
VengeanceGuidesMe Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 What mrldii? A misogynist is not a man basher, that is a misandrist. Also, those sentences are incredibly aggressive. I remember a thread posted by someone else, maybe it was Jay, where he mentions the negativity in a woman's profile. This seems on point with that. It's cool, it's the girls' profile, and they can present themselves how they'd like. I personally see that and it screams close minded man eater. I have seen other women say something like "I spend a lot of time thinking about feminism and why we need it" or "I am a feminist and feel those ideals are important to me in my partner". They don't use foul language or hurl insults.
mrldii Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 ...Maybe I should have written "aggressive" and not "excessive" and we can start a whole debate on which term is more appropriate... Nobody's challenging the adjective used in your title and in your OP; several of us have challenged the subject: i.e., "feminist" and have asked for examples of these "_____ feminist comments", as nothing that's been mentioned as filling the bill as an example fits the "feminist" label. "Misogynist" perhaps, but not "feminist" and that's what you wanted to discuss. It was suggested that what was meant was the colloquial meaning of "feminist", that being "a woman who says/does anything a man doesn't like". If that is indeed the case, then no doubt the list is endless for providing examples of "excessive feminist comments". Hell, I've probably contributed close to a thousand "excessive feminist comments" in the less-than-one-month I've been here.
mrldii Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 As I mentioned before, I guess I really meant aggressive. How are those comments aren't aggressive, please tell me? Like I said, there are a lot of ways to mention what you are into without using hostile language. Using terms like dick and prick combined with how they are somehow putting them in their place seems rather aggressive to me. We're not discussing "aggressive" (in lieu of "excessive") comments on OLDs; we're discussing "feminist" comments on OLDs. "Aggressive" and "feminist" are also not synonymous...unless, of course, we're colloquially-speaking. Then, the sky is virtually the limit on what could be classified as a "feminist comment", as we're beginning to learn just on this thread, alone.
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) I really can't tell if you're trolling or what. I like you and your posts have been point on without being condescending, but this one, I don't understand your question/point. The problem is that I called these people feminists and these quotes are clearly misandrists? Or the comments in question are "A-Okay" and you want better examples? Anyway, if it's the former, well I guess screw it, that answers my question on missing opportunities or seeing it for what it is. I just don't care anymore about this thread because half of the people in this thread haven't read a single one of my posts other than OP and go preacher on it. Edited August 11, 2015 by LoveRefreshed
mrldii Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I really can't tell if you're trolling or what. I like you and your posts have been point on without being condescending, but this one, I don't understand your question/point. The problem is that I called these people feminists and these quotes are clearly misandrists? Or the comments in question are "A-Okay" and you want better examples? I don't understand why are you are still so confused about all of this, if you've read my posts in this thread enough to wonder if I'm adding valuable material, trolling, or being condescending. A feminist CAN NOT BE a misandrist; the words mean two, completely, diametrically-opposed concepts. Despite being told this, despite being shown this, despite being directed to the proof, 7 pages later several people are still saying they don't like "feminists" and "feminist comments" when what they mean and therefore should be saying is they don't like "misandrists" and "misandrist comments". I am a feminist; I am NOT a misandrist. I love men; I thoroughly enjoy them; I enjoy their differences, whether it's because they're male and I'm not or because they're a different human being and I'm heterosexual and so, therefore, I find what's different in them sexy and attractive. Disagreeing with a man is not misandry. Debating with a man toe-to-toe and point-for-point is not misandry. Pointing out that a man is utilizing ergo-ipso-facto logic is not misandry. Refusing to believe something that I know is simply just not true, just because a man thinks it should be true is not misandry. Examples of "feminist comments" on an online dating profile would be: "I believe men and women should pay their own shares while on a first date; once dating on a regular basis, I believe men and women should alternate paying for the dates." "I believe men and woman should both have jobs which bring money into the household, so the financial burden doesn't fall on just one partner." "I believe men and women should both raise the children: cooking, cleaning, shuttling to appointments, etc.; the work load - and bonding time spent together - should NOT be done by just one partner." Those are "feminist comments"...those are what the title and original post are complaining about seeing to "excess". I find it hard to believe that these types of comments are what's bothering so many of you...even though so many of you have spent 7+ pages assuring us that "feminist comments" ARE what bothers you.
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) I thought I made myself clear in the previous seven pages what my thoughts and issues were, as well as my acknowledgement of what I think true feminism is and how I value it. If I could change the thread topic, just so it pleases everyone's urge to argue semantics and be right, I would, but I can not. I'll tell you what, I will page a moderator, and politely ask him to change the title just so that I don't step on anyone's toes any longer. OP title was wrong, OP topic was asking about the specific comments that have been [correctly] dubbed misandry. Don't tell me what my OP was about, I know what it was about, I posted it. Edited August 11, 2015 by LoveRefreshed
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