Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 There may be some women who have been convinced by the Internet that they aren't "feminists" but I call BS. Wait until someone comes along and tells them they can't go to school, leave the house uncovered and without a male relative, that they're being auctioned off to the neighbor for some livestock and we'll see who isn't a feminist. Do you realize that women engage in sexist behavior (against women) all the time. It's often times not the explicit intentions to be sexist, it is second nature because of how and what society we were raised in. Gender Stereotypes: Both Sexes Are Biased Against Women | TIME.com
Rejected Rosebud Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 1) if something in the profile turns you off, why would you even think about dating them??:confused: 2) why is feminism such a problem for so many of you guys??? I mean you seem bound and determined to misunderstand it! Whatevs tho carry on! :bunny: 1
HereNorThere Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Do you realize that women engage in sexist behavior (against women) all the time. It's often times not the explicit intentions to be sexist, it is second nature because of how and what society we were raised in. Gender Stereotypes: Both Sexes Are Biased Against Women | TIME.com Of course I so. Hell, I lived with four women. Women can be just as bad, evil, methodical than as male (although they are significantly less violent!). We're human and we're pretty vicious creatures. However, how can I fault a women for having the same issues as a man. Is that grounds to deny a whole gender their rights? This is about the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. Who I am to deny another human that shares the same DNA as me, the right to not live their life in the manner of their choosing. Yes, some women completely mess up feminism, no doubt. But look at religion or any other type of dogma. You'll always find people willing to bend it their needs and further their agenda. That doesn't mean that at its core, the right to vote, seek education, choose what happens to their bodies, isn't the right, just, moral thing to. Some women are bad so all women should be denied rights? Man, I better hope males don't get held to the same standard one day because we'll be screwed. 1
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 1. Feminists turn me on. Unhinged man bashers turn me off. I was merely asking if any men has met women who are vocalized feminists and had them not be man haters. 2. Because there are too many attitudes that are projected towards men falsely under the flag of feminism ideology that are quite hateful. 1
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 Your comment about women being less violent than men is an exact example of how we have preconceived notions of the gender propagated by society. That is my point. CDC Study: More Men than Women Victims of Partner Abuse » SAVE: Stop Abusive and Violent Environments I think we are, however, on the same side of the coin. I support feminism bro. True feminism.
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 sadly no, she hasn't visited my profile, hahaha. Maybe I don't have enough swag for this girl But I am talking to a couple other really cute girls And still have a date on Thursday with a super beautiful girl of OKC.
HereNorThere Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Your comment about women being less violent than men is an exact example of how we have preconceived notions of the gender propagated by society. That is my point. CDC Study: More Men than Women Victims of Partner Abuse » SAVE: Stop Abusive and Violent Environments I think we are, however, on the same side of the coin. I support feminism bro. True feminism. I had a feeling you might bring that up, but what percentage of women are serial killers? What percentage commit mass shootings? It's unbelievably rare. Yes, simple assaults and things like that, but women do not kill at the same rate as men. It's not even close on that one.
mrldii Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I had a feeling you might bring that up, but what percentage of women are serial killers? What percentage commit mass shootings? It's unbelievably rare. Yes, simple assaults and things like that, but women do not kill at the same rate as men. It's not even close on that one. Hey, now...give us time!!! We're still relatively new to this whole "equal opportunity"-thingy! 1
joseb Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Nahhhh...I'm not "half right", half wrong, or any percentage of right or wrong; that's not my definition of the word...it's Mr. Merriam's and Mr. Webster's. You'll have to take it up with them. It's spelled the way it is because "equalism" was already taken and means something all-encompassing and includes racism, which is another focused study of inequality. We can quote the dictionary definition. I am a feminist if we use that definition. But the fact is that the word has a very different meaning for a lot of people today. It's original meaning has morphed into something quiet different. Otherwise we wouldn't have threads like this. 2
crederer Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 This might be derailing, but what rights does a man have in the Western world that a woman doesn't have?
mrldii Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 We can quote the dictionary definition. I am a feminist if we use that definition. But the fact is that the word has a very different meaning for a lot of people today. It's original meaning has morphed into something quiet different. Otherwise we wouldn't have threads like this. It shouldn't have a different meaning for anybody today; the definition has remained the same. People can ascribe any meaning they'd like to words and make up their very own language while they do it, but since Mr. Merriam and Mr. Webster went to such much trouble to write down the meanings of words and even put them in alphabetical order for ease-of-reference, it's probably best to stick with those globally-understood and globally-accepted meanings of English words. A "feminist" is not exclusively a woman; a "feminist" is NOT someone who feels women are superior; a "feminist" is NOT a ball-buster; a "feminist" is not practicing misandry. A "feminist" is simply "a person who believes in the social, political and economic equality of the sexes". Not nearly so scary, when used properly. [by the way, if anyone was able to follow along with what I wrote, it's because they've accepted the globally-understood and globally-accepted meanings of the English words I used. Why someone would pick-and-choose to do that with some words and not others, is simply confusing. For the reader of the words, that is.] 1
mrldii Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 This might be derailing, but what rights does a man have in the Western world that a woman doesn't have? It is. You should start a separate thread about it. Trust me, I know what is considered "derailing" 'round these parts.
joseb Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 it's probably best to stick with those globally-understood and globally-accepted meanings of English words. Yes - but my whole point is that today that isn't the gloally-accepted meaning. I am not the only person saying this either. And the reason for the confusion is that people have used the tag while pushing an ideology that is anything but equal. Language evolves and meaning can change over time. As a simple example look up the dictionary definition of the word 'sick' I bet it's a bit different than the way the word is used by most kids today. Oh, and no need for the patronising tone either. Cheers 1
mrldii Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Yes - but my whole point is that today that isn't the gloally-accepted meaning. I am not the only person saying this either. And the reason for the confusion is that people have used the tag while pushing an ideology that is anything but equal. Language evolves and meaning can change over time. As a simple example look up the dictionary definition of the word 'sick' I bet it's a bit different than the way the word is used by most kids today. Oh, and no need for the patronising tone either. Cheers "Feminism" is not a colloquialism; "sick" (in your example) is. The colloquial meaning of a word doesn't change its actual meaning. There was no "patronizing tone" intended, so I don't know why you would have picked up on it. I'm simply disagreeing with assertions being made when others are stating their opinions, too. 1
joseb Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) OK, maybe sick wasn't a great example - I just wanted to illustrate the fact that a dictionary definition is not the be all and end all. There was no "patronizing tone" intended, so I don't know why you would have picked up on it. . I was referring to this: [by the way, if anyone was able to follow along with what I wrote, it's because they've accepted the globally-understood and globally-accepted meanings of the English words I used. Why someone would pick-and-choose to do that with some words and not others, is simply confusing. For the reader of the words, that is.] Maybe I'm over sensitive? Actually re-reading it, yeah I am ! Edited August 11, 2015 by joseb 1
mrldii Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I was referring to this: [by the way, if anyone was able to follow along with what I wrote, it's because they've accepted the globally-understood and globally-accepted meanings of the English words I used. Why someone would pick-and-choose to do that with some words and not others, is simply confusing. For the reader of the words, that is.] Maybe I'm over sensitive? It wasn't directed at you; it was directed at the board, in general, and especially those who keep mis-using the word "feminist" (including in the OP and title) to mean something it's not. That's why I put it in brackets, to show it was a separate thought. In this case, perhaps you were overly sensitive...or perhaps, I could have been clearer about breaking it up. IMHO, no harm, no foul and we're all good. 1
crederer Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 It is. You should start a separate thread about it. Trust me, I know what is considered "derailing" 'round these parts. I get banned on the weekly *wink wink nudge nudge* but for real I get banned a lot
Author LoveRefreshed Posted August 11, 2015 Author Posted August 11, 2015 I feel like this thread is full of mansplaining.
Teraskas Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Based on personal experience, I've met plenty of these women on both these sites and in real life who initially displayed a minor degree of feminism but eventually turned out to be man bashers to the bloody extreme. Ranging from generalising me as a man for things their past boyfriends did, or blank statements such as "all men are predator". Don't get me wrong, I admire a woman who (as mentioned in a previous post) still stands up for 'true feminism'. However sadly, these days all the so called "feminists" I've met rather use that term as a cloak for too many hateful attitudes and situations projected onto men for crimes that I didn't even commit as an individual. It's almost as if they believe the term feminism gives them a free pass at spouting the most ridiculous misandrist statements without ever having to face the consequences. Either that or I have had a sequential streak of bad luck with encountering feminists. Edited August 11, 2015 by Teraskas 1
Woggle Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Feminism is quite similar to religion in the sense that the extremists have become the loudest voices. Sure that all religious people are like that but many liberal and progressive people have utter contempt for it. There are more atheists than even and at least part of the blame for it should go to the crazies who use it as an excuse to hate and oppress people. Feminism is the same way. Yes it means somebody who believe in equality of the genders but too often men's first experience with somebody who openly calls themselves a feminist is with somebody who hates us so what do you expect us to think? Do you really expect us to support people who say we are all patriarchal oppressors or say that they are drinking male tears? It makes it hard for feminists who are actually for equality because their voices are drowned out. 2
mrldii Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Ahhhhhh...now I'm beginning to understand. This thread is about the colloquial term "feminist". Colloquially-speaking, a "feminist" is any woman who displays a trait that the particular man affixing the labels doesn't like. Conversely and colloquially-speaking, a "chauvinist" is a man who snores loudly, or who can't hold down a job, or who wears black shoes with a brown belt. I'm slow...NOT stupid. 4
Woggle Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Ahhhhhh...now I'm beginning to understand. This thread is about the colloquial term "feminist". Colloquially-speaking, a "feminist" is any woman who displays a trait that the particular man affixing the labels doesn't like. Conversely and colloquially-speaking, a "chauvinist" is a man who snores loudly, or who can't hold down a job, or who wears black shoes with a brown belt. I'm slow...NOT stupid. Many misandrists call themselves feminists so that is where that perception comes from.
mrldii Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Many misandrists call themselves feminists so that is where that perception comes from. Post #20 proved that "misandrist" and "feminist" are mutually-exclusive terms and can NOT be used interchangeably. Many people pee on others' legs and tell them it's raining. This is proof that calling something something it's not, doesn't make it so. =================== 5 pages in, and this thread is still very light on examples of the "excessive feminist comments" that are included in many women's OLD profiles, which is the topic of this thread.
Rejected Rosebud Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 CDC Study: More Men than Women Victims of Partner Abuse » SAVE: Stop Abusive and Violent Environments That is a "men's rights" website and not a source for any valid information. Go to the CDC directly for the actual statistics. Since 1/3 of murdered women in the USA were killed by their male domestic partners, those spurious claims like the one you cited are just ... evil. 3
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