SawtoothMars Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 You know the expression "be a man" "man up" "why don't you be a man" etc. So what do these expressions actually mean? What defines a man? Is it a male that has his life together, a job, house, car, education, money? A male that is confident, not insecure, doesn't have low esteem or low confidence, etc. What do you think? Not sure what to tell you TH. I think everyone has a slightly different definition. The only thing each definition will have in common is that it benefits the person defining the term. Women typically describe what they want, men typically describe what they believe they are.
Her Bridges Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 A man: - treats himself with respect - treats others with respect A woman: - treats herself with respect - treats others with respect Anything else stems from those two things - being a loving, hard working, independent, kind, peaceful, strong, healthy, polite, go-getting, attentive, etc etc add the kitchen sink ADULT comes from a place of valuing both yourself and the people around you. The particulars are pointless empty gestures if they lack the proper intent behind them. 2
LoveRefreshed Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 I mean, lost count of how many times I see these court TV shows where some loser is taking money from some woman (who sometimes has her own kids to care for) cuz he's too lazy to get off his duff and work a decent job and get his act together. And, gotta love those guys who take money from women to support their other women and illegit kids...classy, classy dudes. And my buddy busts his ass working six days a week while his ex fought for full custody of their new born, relationship was falling apart during birth. Courts awarded it because she was mom, and new infant needs mom.. Girl hasn't worked a job in 2 years, she has 3 kids from 2 different dudes and she just rakes in money from him. One kid, my buddy is paying almost 900 a month, and that is a good portion of his paycheck. He's a factory worker, not a 100k a year guy. -He has his "stuff" together. He's got his own job/career, home, etc. He ain't relying on some woman to help him pay his bills. My grandpa got into a car accident and shattered his hip, and knee. Was he less of a man while my grandma took care of him? My other buddy busted his ass to get a phD in chem, like me, and he was unemployed for 6 months while looking for his position. Does that make him less of a man? We're in school until we're 29-30. No grad salary is buying you a home, and your career is still in the nutsack of your career father. I feel manly even though my income was 22k until now and I have 0 savings and 70k of student loan debt. There was a time that a man dare not even ask a girl on a date unless he had his crap together. Not now a days. "Men" are "boys". They sit in their mommy's basement playing video games and have women banging down their doors to sex them and/or "play house". These women want marriage and/or kids before these "boys" have a chance to make their way and become "men"... Jaded much? Just because you chose to date stupid douche bag losers doesn't mean men who play vids to relax are boys. Back in the day, certain cultures had weird rituals (like a "right of passage") that boys had to accomplish to become men (i.e. kill a tiger or something). Now a days, men have no requirement to prove a thing for a woman to get with them except having a penis and a pulse and that is sad. And women used to be taken, and for marriage your dads had to pay us a **** ton of money. It was him saying, please for the love of god, take care of this brat that I raised. do we want to go back to that time? Sacrifice, another mark of a "man". When we sacrifice ourselves, by our choice, sure. When women go demanding these sacrifices, that's how we know she aint worth ****. A woman was supposed to be our fearsome warrior partner. I don't want some helpless baggage, I want a woman who will ****ing backhand that kid and skin my kill. When war hits the fan, she'll ****ing jump up, wrap her lags around the dudes torso and bite his ****ing throat out for me if she has too. wtf kind of free ride do you think you're on? Ever look at how a man's body is built? It is utilitarian. It is built for providing and protecting. A woman's body is softer and sweeter and built for procreation. If any "man" has any doubt as to what he needs to be, look at himself in the mirror. To be a man in dating and a RL is to be strong provider/protector - like the body given to him. You're right, men are stronger than women. We're smarter, and we can take more. You are built for a place to put my cock. I don't know what vein you were trying to write this from, but for me, this is some of the most bull**** crap I have ever read. This is the writings of a female whose expecting prince charming to come and solve all her ****ing problems and give her the easy life because god damnit, you're not a man otherwise. 1
GravityMan Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 You know the expression "be a man" "man up" "why don't you be a man" etc. So what do these expressions actually mean? What defines a man? Is it a male that has his life together, a job, house, car, education, money? A male that is confident, not insecure, doesn't have low esteem or low confidence, etc. What do you think? Don't take those expressions so seriously. In my experience, whenever I heard those phrases, most of the time it was usually in some sort of humorous context. For example, a bunch of buddies playfully prodding their friend to go do some daring thing. The one or two times where I heard the "man up!" expression in a serious context...it was just a euphemism for "grow up". Testosterones are what make a man, mainly . Every other attribute is gender neutral, pretty much. If I look at the 4 men in my life I admire the most (my father, my brother, my BF and my closest male friend), they all have attributes like humility, integrity, generosity of spirit / time, meaning what they say and saying what they mean, rising above adversity with dignity and grace, not taking themselves too seriously, etc. And, accessorily, they also have the education, job, house, car, money, etc. I've never heard my father describe himself as a 'good man' or blow his own trumpet in any way, yet he's the best man I know hands down, although he is too humble to even see it. All in all, I think what they all have in common is that they don't stop to think about what it takes to be a man - they just are, you know... I agree, good post. When I reflect back on the male and female friends I have, particularly the ones with strong character...they all had a lot of things in common (integrity, dignity, grace, etc.). They were just good people. And yet, most of the men usually exuded unmistakable masculine energy, and the women - feminine energy. *** I think phrases like "be a man", "man up", etc. can have good intentions, but one should exercise careful judgment in expressing them. Different people have somewhat fluid and varying interpretations of those phrases, so it's easy for a guy to get the wrong idea or fail to grasp the actual underlying intent. 1
lino Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 You know the expression "be a man" "man up" "why don't you be a man" etc. So what do these expressions actually mean? What defines a man? Is it a male that has his life together, a job, house, car, education, money? A male that is confident, not insecure, doesn't have low esteem or low confidence, etc. What do you think? Those phrases are used when someone has no proper answer and just want to belittle your problems. Common on this website. I liken it to a form of bullying actually.
dpn4u Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) The use of the phrase man up is to shame him into silence and subser4vience. Or to be a man. A man never hears the phrase "man up", except from a leader encouraging him to do even more, because he already manned up before someone had to tell him. If someone has to tell you to man up because you aren't being one, you have some work to do. When it comes from a woman you need listen and act, not get mad. Men don't get angry, they get sh*t done. If that's not enough, they give her the boot and find a woman that appreciates her man. Now I heard a bunch of sexist bs back there about men being the breadwinner. If I'm with a doctor and she wants to have kids, and she makes 4x what I do, I'm still a man if I stay home with the kids. Then I'm a smart man. Edited August 5, 2015 by dpn4u 2
LoveRefreshed Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Yeah, I think one issue is that feminism has helped to propel gender stereotype awareness and change them for women. Yet these women want the same society enforced gender roles of a man so they're not afraid to tell you what they think a man is (what they are attracted to). And men don't sit around and whine about the unfairness of our society; whining fixes nothing. C'est la vie.
WomenWubber Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 "What makes a Man?" Accomplishments. The proof that you can get things done. 1
BronzeAgeJaeger217 Posted August 7, 2015 Posted August 7, 2015 too many things, but that's because sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive
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