Clarence_Boddicker Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 My problem isn't understanding this. My problem is that it pisses me off that I suffered loneliness, rejection, and the like from people that weren't any better than me and when I finally turned my self around over a 5 year period, I realized it. I'm annoyed because I thought I would be happy and in the end, I'm not. I want to find a girl who is worth my love, not some girl who made me her plan B. I know, some of you may say to find another girl, but it's that every girl was this. Not to be mean or offensive to anyone, but they were better than you at the time. Unless you have confidence/game/swag, great looks, money, bad boy nature, you have much less as a guy then a female. Females, even low number ones, have lady parts. That is worth a lot more than what an average guy has. That's the nature of the game. Do you actually think life is fair & has: 100% satisfaction guaranteed, printed on the package? Only death & taxes are guaranteed in this life. Everything else is up to us. Now you have some perceived value due to your accomplishment & expected income. I'd advise you to forget the past & move to a different city & start fresh with dating. Grow some confidence.
Author VengeanceGuidesMe Posted July 17, 2015 Author Posted July 17, 2015 Not to be mean or offensive to anyone, but they were better than you at the time. Unless you have confidence/game/swag, great looks, money, bad boy nature, you have much less as a guy then a female. Females, even low number ones, have lady parts. That is worth a lot more than what an average guy has. That's the nature of the game. Do you actually think life is fair & has: 100% satisfaction guaranteed, printed on the package? Only death & taxes are guaranteed in this life. Everything else is up to us. Now you have some perceived value due to your accomplishment & expected income. I'd advise you to forget the past & move to a different city & start fresh with dating. Grow some confidence. That's the thing, they weren't better than me. I was confident in almost every way except thinking that a girl would like me. Now that I've got the confidence amongst other things, I stand here and look at them and think, what the **** was I thinking? They offer nothing special. They give nothing to me in my life. Most women aren't humorous, they aren't fun, they don't earn more money than me, they don't protect me, they give me nothing but a ****ing hole to stick my dick. So maybe you're right, women have only vaginas to give. I feel cheated.
Clarence_Boddicker Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 That's the thing, they weren't better than me. I was confident in almost every way except thinking that a girl would like me. Now that I've got the confidence amongst other things, I stand here and look at them and think, what the **** was I thinking? They offer nothing special. They give nothing to me in my life. Most women aren't humorous, they aren't fun, they don't earn more money than me, they don't protect me, they give me nothing but a ****ing hole to stick my dick. So maybe you're right, women have only vaginas to give. I feel cheated. You missed my point. I was trying to explain things how you are seeing them through your cynical rose colored glasses. You had nothing to offer them because of some personally trait of yours at the time. Aloofness, self pity, whatever. Sadly I don't think you have changed too much. Women are far more than their body parts. Hopefully you will drop the anger & hate and figure that out. Yes, there are lots of selfish & shallow people, who hide that, women included. If you stereotype all of them, you will miss the genuine ones. 1
jay1983 Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 You missed my point. I was trying to explain things how you are seeing them through your cynical rose colored glasses. You had nothing to offer them because of some personally trait of yours at the time. Aloofness, self pity, whatever. Sadly I don't think you have changed too much. Women are far more than their body parts. Hopefully you will drop the anger & hate and figure that out. Yes, there are lots of selfish & shallow people, who hide that, women included. If you stereotype all of them, you will miss the genuine ones. I think the only thing they have eyes for are women like this. http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/530615085/Hot-Sale-Free-Shipping-Hot-Sell-New-Sexy-Black-Slim-Women-Spice-Lingeries-Romantic-T-Back.jpg http://img.izismile.com/img/img6/20131127/640/pretty_girls_run_the_world_640_10.jpg
guest569 Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 The phD was just because I'm naturally an intellectual. I am always asking the questions of why. I was also good in school and thought I would have better job opportunities in the end. That and it never occurred to me to stop before the top. It's also a part of who I am. I don't want to stop until I can make all those ****ers in my past realize that I am better than they are. And what do you do when you get at the end and realize your goal and feel unsatisfied? But why is it so important to prove that you (believe) you are better than people from your past? Let go of that crap! Lose the arrogance! I was a chubby, acne faced teen with braces and glasses and the boys i pursued wouldn't give me the time of day, but now I've changed and grown up a few have pursued me. I hold nothing against them for not wanting me back then and I am flattered they have shown interest now. However that ship sailed long ago but I have no anger or anything to prove to them. If you are truly better than these people who have rejected you (which by the way, they have every right to do) you will rise above and not bother to hurt them. Certainly don't take out anger about the past on these poor women you are messing with now. 2
Brigit_1 Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 I've seen Karen Straughen, she actually pretty good, but nowhere near as out there as the all the others. Yeah there's a little biased in society that favors women, but it ain't that damn bad. You're telling me to read books and blogs and sh*t. lol I got out everyday, I party, I have friends, we go to bars and clubs, we go to car shows and tubing down the river. And some of these friends are women. Where are all these feminist with red hair and big glasses I see on the internet? Talking about the patriarchy and rape culture and all that other bullsh*t. That's what I mean about spending too much time on the internet. It disconnects you from reality. Jay is in rare form tonight. 3
MidwestUSA Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) 10 characters Edited July 18, 2015 by MidwestUSA changed my mind
joseb Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 I think the only thing they have eyes for are women like this. http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/530615085/Hot-Sale-Free-Shipping-Hot-Sell-New-Sexy-Black-Slim-Women-Spice-Lingeries-Romantic-T-Back.jpg http://img.izismile.com/img/img6/20131127/640/pretty_girls_run_the_world_640_10.jpg Dude I'm on a month without porn. Why do you show me these foul temptresses ?! 2
joseb Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 I've seen Karen Straughen, she actually pretty good, but nowhere near as out there as the all the others. Yeah there's a little biased in society that favors women, but it ain't that damn bad. You're telling me to read books and blogs and sh*t. lol I got out everyday, I party, I have friends, we go to bars and clubs, we go to car shows and tubing down the river. And some of these friends are women. Where are all these feminist with red hair and big glasses I see on the internet? Talking about the patriarchy and rape culture and all that other bullsh*t. That's what I mean about spending too much time on the internet. It disconnects you from reality. I've been reading up on MGTOW myself and my feelings are pretty similar to yours. There is some validity but a bit too much bitterness and exaggeration. But I guess a lot of the guys vlogging have have some pretty bad **** happen. For what it's worth, I have met a couple of feminists and know a couple of guys that the 'emasculated' tag would fit. I'm in a slightly different situation to you in being single and no kids, so I will likely avoid marriage and probably co-habiting, as it amounts to much the same thing here in Australia.
guest569 Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Most of my friends and i are feminists (male and female). With or without the label i would say that most 21st century humans are feminists. I can understand why those who hate women are upset by this fact though. 1
Woggle Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 There is nothing wrong with feminists in and of themselves but it has been co opted by gender haters. They just hate men and they hide behind feminism and call any man who defends himself a misogynist. 1
No Limit Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) That's the thing, they weren't better than me. I was confident in almost every way except thinking that a girl would like me. Now that I've got the confidence amongst other things, I stand here and look at them and think, what the **** was I thinking? They offer nothing special. They give nothing to me in my life. Most women aren't humorous, they aren't fun, they don't earn more money than me, they don't protect me, they give me nothing but a ****ing hole to stick my dick. So maybe you're right, women have only vaginas to give. I feel cheated. If the pursuit of a partner at best frustrates you, why not stop doing it? Just because society says "hurr durr you must be in a relationship" doesn't mean you have to follow it. You were less inclined to ignore that call in school because 'cool guys get pussy', it was a standard there; but the adult world is a little more complex than this and as a guy you won't be pressured to anything anymore - and this is what MGTOW is trying to teach. Frankly women are more inclined to follow this order of society; that they better not be virgins anymore by the time they're 17 and married pre-30's; hell, 2 weeks ago at a friend's birthday party I was questioned for not having a boyfriend. That's the tricky thing for men 'in their bloom' - if you show off status you're much more likely to attract 'bad company'. You're wasting your energy if you think that the type of woman that will throw herself at a guy the moment she sees he's well-off financially will become the ideal partner because she's so in love with you and loves for your personality only. Edited July 18, 2015 by No Limit 1
GoodOnPaper Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 That's the thing, they weren't better than me. I was confident in almost every way except thinking that a girl would like me. Now that I've got the confidence amongst other things, I stand here and look at them and think, what the **** was I thinking? They offer nothing special. They give nothing to me in my life. Most women aren't humorous, they aren't fun, they don't earn more money than me, they don't protect me, they give me nothing but a ****ing hole to stick my dick. So maybe you're right, women have only vaginas to give. I feel cheated. Take a deep breath. As a guy I don't think you are in nearly as bad of a position as you think. I feel like I completely understand where you are coming from -- I've just lived the mirror image of your life. Really struggled with attracting women but I bailed out -- married 20+ years, kids, the whole picket fence nine yards. I have all the "relationship attraction" a man could ask for, but I will never know if I'm experiencing all the physical connection I'm capable of with a woman. What you are having with women is what I would consider a bucket list thing. My downfall was that I wasn't patient enough with myself, and I think you are in danger of the same thing. You are now one of the few guys who can actually be really selective about your partners -- use that to your advantage! Be on the lookout for that one woman who is captivating AND has the character who appreciates your core self -- even that guy who you were when you were younger. You know you can always attract a woman for a short-term thing whenever you want, so why stress? Work on coming to grips with accepting who you were and who you are now. I think your future has a lot of potential. 3
ascendotum Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Lose the arrogance! I was a chubby, acne faced teen with braces and glasses and the boys i pursued wouldn't give me the time of day, but now I've changed and grown up .... Certainly don't take out anger about the past on these poor women you are messing with now. The longer negative experiences effect a person's life the more resentment will build up. You were chubby with acne in your teens and probably by 18/19 you grew more, hormones stabilized, maybe changes with exercise/diet and you were off an running with guys hitting on you as a young woman. I find the late bloomers who miss out in late teens and early - mid 20s it has much bigger impact on their psyche if they feel ignored during those formative years where is so important how you fit in with your peers and the opposite sex. Some accept it and just cope but I noticed that those who do a later transformation the contrast in how they got treated before and after really irks them. To them they are basically the same person (but obviously not quite that way to the opposite sex) and view the change in them as superficial and thus the increased desire for them as shallow based. I agree with your last sentence. I can see why he feels the way he does, but its emotional baggage. From my perspective when it comes to a gf there is no way I want to deal with a load of that and I now have to pay for the sins of her past crappy choices in men (tho some guys change after they snagged the girl). He is better off not getting in a relationship (just stick with fwb/ons) if he is going to treat them bad, though he said they seem to want him more for his new attitude. I'm sure they don't appreciate getting dumped a bit down the line tho. 3
guest569 Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 The longer negative experiences effect a person's life the more resentment will build up. You were chubby with acne in your teens and probably by 18/19 you grew more, hormones stabilized, maybe changes with exercise/diet and you were off an running with guys hitting on you as a young woman. I find the late bloomers who miss out in late teens and early - mid 20s it has much bigger impact on their psyche if they feel ignored during those formative years where is so important how you fit in with your peers and the opposite sex. Some accept it and just cope but I noticed that those who do a later transformation the contrast in how they got treated before and after really irks them. To them they are basically the same person (but obviously not quite that way to the opposite sex) and view the change in them as superficial and thus the increased desire for them as shallow based. I agree with your last sentence. I can see why he feels the way he does, but its emotional baggage. From my perspective when it comes to a gf there is no way I want to deal with a load of that and I now have to pay for the sins of her past crappy choices in men (tho some guys change after they snagged the girl). He is better off not getting in a relationship (just stick with fwb/ons) if he is going to treat them bad, though he said they seem to want him more for his new attitude. I'm sure they don't appreciate getting dumped a bit down the line tho. My first date and first kiss was at age 25, is that long enough?
ascendotum Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 My first date and first kiss was at age 25, is that long enough? Okay that's bleak, and sorry you had to wait so long. I do notice a difference in how men and women handle it though. I dont know too many women who struggled (they were fat) but the impression I get is they more inclined to feel sad more whereas guys feel anger more. Both tend to keep it too themselves though, and its really the guys more who do a physical transformation or have financial/career success and/or treat women less respectfully then the contrast in their desirability hits them that are more outspoken. You see a difference on here when it comes to advice for the strugglers - men are told to make themselves better for women whereas for women the advice is more inclined to be to approach dating differently. As a skinny guy I thought it was easier for a fat guy to date a fat woman than it was for me to date a thin/petite woman.
No Limit Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 I would guess some of my resentment also stems from being told my lady friends of mine (I stress friends) and one of those girls from my past that has changed her mind about me (trying to get me to cheat on a gf once with her) and many girls that I end up breaking up with because I don't want to pursue more with her sit and lecture me. I'm in my 30s, I am dating women are are 30, they don't have the time to waste dating men who don't want it all with them, and I am wasting their precious time they have left to find a partner to have kids with etc... They sit and act like I owe them something more as if they didn't waste their 20s on their own volition. I find it irritating. I also never lied to them or led them on. I am open about what I want and don't want at this point in my life. They delude themselves into thinking they will be the one that I fall for or something. Then try to turn me into the bad guy for not being interested in giving them everything they want. So many red flags I don't know where to begin. It sounds like your lady "friends" are just angry because they can't manipulate you into marrying them or because they can't play you like their last BFs. And of course they hope you'll fall for them, you're a prize now; but since you don't their egos are a little uncomfortable because they don't want to feel "unworthy". Honestly, I hope you know how to go "no contact" on people from your past; this "breaking hearts" thing is bound to make some folks of them go totally crazy - that one who tried to get you to cheat with her is quite a good example (because if you had cheated with her it would mean she was better than your current girl -> ego soothed).
Recommended Posts