empresario Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Is she white? I never saw her say so but I admit I didn't scour every post. In any case, she's certainly taller than average. EDIT: MY Math was this: (67"/63.8")*69.7", where the part in the parens becomes a unitless factor, and is then multiplied to become 73.2" (roughly) Makes sense. Sociologically it doesn't exactly translate that way but I get where you're coming from. The scale I use is you adjust your mother's height based on sociological average curves then you can predict 80% of your children will be between A (dad) and B (mom). Of course, when you don't know the parents' heights or the child already exists I just use the demographical curves. Unfortunately there is no exact equation, so either one could be right. But as someone that grew up with 5'7'' being generally average (or short) for women, I just thought it curious that someone felt themselves tall at that height. It was interesting. Side note and on topic...if ass to waist ratio is the most attractive thing on a woman, I wonder what the initially most attractive thing is on a male and how that is somewhat objectively defined? Does anyone know that without having to research it?
123321 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Side note and on topic...if ass to waist ratio is the most attractive thing on a woman, I wonder what the initially most attractive thing is on a male and how that is somewhat objectively defined? Does anyone know that without having to research it? Wallet thickness/BMI. - Or maybe BMI should be deviation from a BMI of 27.
bebe23 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Well, I'm a bigger lady and my husband is on the thin lanky side but it doesn't mean we settled! We both have equally attractive faces. I guess its the matching theory- beautiful with handsome, homely with equally homely. For women, the facial features are very important. For example in that link about attractiveness and women's ideals, I found both bodies equally fine but the one on the left was too perfect. Too intimidating and men who look like that I just admire from afar. The one on the right (dad bod) was attractive except the composite face isn't attractive to me because he looks like he'd be related to me with his Anglo or Irish features and red hair. I much prefer Gerard Butler's features, or better yet- those of an Italian, Hispanic or Eastern European. For me its face and eyes first, then body but I don't like scrawny or very obese. Ideally I LOVE the dad bod- soft with some cuddliness. I don't want my husband to get any thinner, he's 6 feet and 185, which is considered the 'ideal' build but honestly I prefer guys a little 'fatter' than him.
123321 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 My previous post was made in a jesting fashion, but there are several studies where there is a strong correlation between the rated attractiveness of a wife and the earning ability of her husband. It's real, and probably has deep biological roots. I'm not aware of any similar study that compared dating that doesn't result in marriage, not sure how that would work out.
xxoo Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Side note and on topic...if ass to waist ratio is the most attractive thing on a woman, I wonder what the initially most attractive thing is on a male and how that is somewhat objectively defined? Does anyone know that without having to research it? Shoulder to waist ratio 2
Torii Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 It's all about confidence, really. Just because you're slightly bigger than standardized, doesn't mean you're less beautiful or attractive. If you got enough confidence to be exactly who you are, don't let the insecurities you have scare you from pursuing relationships. Just because you consider them insecurities, doesn't mean they really are insecurities - you'll find somebody, someday, that changes your whole body image around and you'll embrace all your so-called flaws because of them. Feel beautiful in your own skin, no matter what society throws in your face. I'm a bigger woman. Size 16, and I'm happy with my body shape. Got a hour-glass figure, and my SO loves me for me. My size was never a factor for our relationship and IMO, it should never be one unless you're intentionally putting your health is at risk. My SO is a fit man, is muscular all around without being body-builder material. Our differences never crossed our minds when we first began dating because we were too concerned and consumed about supporting each other as a couple, and just expressing our love. My SO loves my confidence. He says he wouldn't change anything about my body and personality. He's made me understand that beauty cannot be standardized, because our personalities are what hold the true definition of beauty. It's all about the personality, all about how you click as a couple. Don't like something about yourself?.. Improve yourself, without getting obsessed about how others might judge you. Go for walks with your SO, just offer as much support as possible and make physical activity with each other into a daily date. 3
xxoo Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 I don't think there is a female body type that isn't insulted in this thread. Not everyone is attracted to what you are attracted to. That's ok. It's great, actually. A lid for every pot. If you are happy, and they are happy, what's the problem? 3
jen1447 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Also, attraction develops. I strongly suspect that the body types people prefer are actually informed by the body types that people had who you became attracted to previously for different reasons. e.g. you slowly fell in love with the mind, mannerisms and traits of a girl with big boobs and narrow hips 10 years ago, and now you prefer women with big boobs and narrow hips. 2
preraph Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Not all girls like skinny guys, but I think the truth is that especially in the past when it was mostly male directors and producers, the media men chose men they thought women would think was the ideal. Being men, first they assumed the body was the most important thing like it is for men with women and they chose homely men who had a workout body. Every woman of a certain age would complain about how they are always pairing unattractive men with women who looked like models in movies and on TV. But most women are not body-centric when it comes to men. I used to only really care about the face and hair and below the neck wasn't that important. I like a really nice face and some hair. My guys ranged from tall and thin to short and a bit Pillsbury Doughboy, but they all had nice hair and a great face. I am totally turned off by the "workout" guys who have overdeveloped their bodies, and I also don't think football players are at all attractive. I like a guy with a bicep, but it needn't be big and bulging. I don't care about abs. I hate big thigh muscles or thick legs. I prefer broad shoulders, but none of my loves were so endowed. I like beautiful smooth skin and prefer it's not covered with tattoos, though one of my most handsome lovers was covered in tattoos. He would have looked better if he wasn't, though. Men don't get what women find attractive in men. What men think women find attractive is actually what gay men find attractive in men. But there are exceptions. Obviously, a lot of women do like the big muscly jock build. Obviously, some women think having little to no hair is attractive. I don't know any women who like that, though. So it depends on your crowd and that's another reason it's important to find your crowd and your niche. Edited June 12, 2015 by preraph 1
jay1983 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Simple answer is that women and men are a lot alike in certain ways. They're looking for a mate and they're gonna start with the most attractive person they can get attention from. 3
S_A Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) I've always been really attracted to women that are size 10-12. They're not big enough to be obese, but are carrying just a bit of extra weight in the right places and look healthy. I've never been attracted to women that had asses and hips meeting in a straight line or that were so skinny you could see their ribs protruding. Hey everyone, I've been browsing around here for a couple months and finally decided to register. I think deep down I am responding because I'm feeling defensive since my GF is more on the petite side and still has curves lol. I don't think you can have a specific checklist when it comes to attraction. My GF is in the size 0 to size 2 range, and even has a couple garments that are size 00. With that said, she is not a stick figure. She has a great shape and a really nice butt (yes, she looks healthy). Everyone's body is different. Size 0 may very well mean "no shape" for one woman but another woman could indeed be "shapely." The point I am trying to make is you can say you only date "tall guys" or "girls with round butts" because it's more about the "eye test." If you're going to start getting into numbers and say you only date women who weigh 110 pounds, or guys that are 6'1" to 6'3" in height, or women who wear only a size 12, then you're not going to get anywhere. Plus, it just sounds bad to have a checklist with numeric values on it Edited June 12, 2015 by S_A 3
guest569 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Ever thought that perhaps these couples are attracted to eachother and/or love eachother? Just because a man is skinny or a woman is "bigger chick" does not mean they are ugly or unworthy and "settle" for these so called undesirable traits!! It so happens that I tend towards skinny guys because its what i find attractive (it's not something i have really been aware of until i thought about it. It's not to say that I would rule out any man with muscle or a bit of fat.)
jen1447 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Hey everyone, I've been browsing around here for a couple months and finally decided to register. I think deep down I am responding because I'm feeling defensive since my GF is more on the petite side and still has curves lol. I don't think you can have a specific checklist when it comes to attraction. My GF is in the size 0 to size 2 range, and even has a couple garments that are size 00. With that said, she is not a stick figure. She has a great shape and a really nice butt (yes, she looks healthy). Everyone's body is different. Size 0 may very well mean "no shape" for one woman but another woman could indeed be "shapely." ^ I've seen this young lady and I can verify. She's exquisitely shapely - and petite.
123321 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 I don't see why words like exploit and settle have negative connotations. Everyone exploits others and everyone settles. It's part of life, pretending otherwise just blurs the lines. 3
guest569 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Other parts of life:war, death, illness, appendix etc...
123321 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Other parts of life:war, death, illness, appendix etc... Those are intrinsically negative, to exploit or settle is not. Words mean things. 1
guest569 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Because its usually about settling for less. " Not that keen, but you will do, I guess, because I cant find better."
stillafool Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 I agree with this - ofcourse it isn't all that black and white but it's going to play a significant role in general. Sucks for the skinny guys and overweight galls/guys But that's life. It's no different than for the short/tall conundrum or the socially inclined, or the unsuccessful etc. There's these aspects that generally decrease or increase your potential depending on how they manifest in a person. This looks far more odd to me than a bigger lady with a skinny guy.
alphamale Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 the question could be: why are skinny men attracted to large women?
johndoe2 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 the question could be: why are skinny men attracted to large women? And the answer I think has already more or less been put forth. How overweight you are reduces your 'market value', but it does so more steeply for women than men (so being 30 lbs over weight isn't as damning for a man as for a woman). But other factors, such as social status or income or self-confidence (or height?) are more damning for men than for women. And while to some extent people seek partners who are similar to them in absolute terms, people also tend to end up with partners who have a comparable dating 'market value.' So an unattractive man is likely to end up with an unattractive woman. But what makes a man unattractive is not necessarily the same as what makes a woman unattractive. So, you end up with a man who is skinny and poor, or skinny and milquetoast who is dating an obese woman. They are both in the same 'league' for different reasons, but in the same league nonetheless. So it's not that fat women and skinny men seek each other out (there's no shortage of fat men with fat women, after all); it's that people who are generally considered unattractive tend to end up with each other, but whereas obesity may be a determining factor for a woman's attractive, other factors may be determine whether the man's attractive, so the obese woman is likely to end up with a man who is skinny and unattractive for other reasons. 2
xxoo Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 the question could be: why are skinny men attracted to large women? I'm going to guess that men who are sexually attracted to large women come in many different sizes.
123321 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Because its usually about settling for less. " Not that keen, but you will do, I guess, because I cant find better." Interesting way to look at it. How do you know that what you have right now isn't "less" (whatever that is) than what will be in front of you tomorrow? Unless you also have tomorrow's winning lottery numbers, you can't know. Settling is about being satisfied with what you have, and settling for that. 1
alphamale Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 And the answer I think has already more or less been put forth. How overweight you are reduces your 'market value', but it does so more steeply for women than men (so being 30 lbs over weight isn't as damning for a man as for a woman). But other factors, such as social status or income or self-confidence (or height?) are more damning for men than for women. And while to some extent people seek partners who are similar to them in absolute terms, people also tend to end up with partners who have a comparable dating 'market value.' So an unattractive man is likely to end up with an unattractive woman. But what makes a man unattractive is not necessarily the same as what makes a woman unattractive. So, you end up with a man who is skinny and poor, or skinny and milquetoast who is dating an obese woman. They are both in the same 'league' for different reasons, but in the same league nonetheless. So it's not that fat women and skinny men seek each other out (there's no shortage of fat men with fat women, after all); it's that people who are generally considered unattractive tend to end up with each other, but whereas obesity may be a determining factor for a woman's attractive, other factors may be determine whether the man's attractive, so the obese woman is likely to end up with a man who is skinny and unattractive for other reasons. superb analysis 1
loveweary11 Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Do you literally mean an equal sized waist and ass? That would be like complete and utter little boy dimensions lol. No grown women are built like that. btw, everyone considers hip-waist ratios, at least subconsciously. There have been 'attraction' studies done that show that's what men evaluate most, like the one where scientists studied Jessica Alba and concluded she was hot. (Because she apparently has the perfect hip-waist ratio, lol ) No, he's talking about thighs to ass, I think. I like that 1:1 or so and a waist smaller than that. Here's a quick, though not totally perfect example. http://40.media.tumblr.com/689c273ebc0a25f8afd3576166122f23/tumblr_nfcu81AM5e1s3mvf0o1_500.jpg Scientists thought Jessica was hot? They should have been at the lounge I was at when I picked the other, hotter girl over her. But it's more than ratio for me. It's small with a very exaggerated ratio, then 1:1 butt to thigh.
ascendotum Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 But most women are not body-centric when it comes to men. I used to only really care about the face and hair and below the neck wasn't that important. Men don't get what women find attractive in men. What men think women find attractive is actually what gay men find attractive in men. But there are exceptions. Obviously, a lot of women do like the big muscly jock build. Obviously, some women think having little to no hair is attractive. I don't know any women who like that, though. So it depends on your crowd and that's another reason it's important to find your crowd and your niche. I disagree with the bolded bit. Of course you cant apply a blanket rule for all women, but I think they are body centric but not to the same degree as men. It happens on a subconscious level that women are generally attracted to more masculine men and physique is a big part of that. Basketballers and footballers have groupies but there are no women queuing up outside the stables for jockeys at the end of race day. I think in their 20s women are less body-centric but late 20s and 30s they are, and then in their early 40s and up much less so. The big bear guy or the dad bod is popular with a lot of women in their 30s. Its generally not the slim/fit women that go for that but more the average build starting to slightly chubb up women that go for those men, that have solid builds but are not out of their league and they wont put pressure on them to keep their weight down. On a OLD site I was on after reading an article from a guy complaining about the big % of short women on his site wanting taller guys, I checked out the preferences for the slim women on my site and 3/4 were wanting tall and/or muscular build. While men & women of all body types have partners its very much a matter of options and also long term trade offs (ie $/exciting life/good dad) rather than women having eclectic tastes in men. What is the niche for skinny guys (apart from asian women and overweight women)?
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