Emmie83 Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Yea, that's what they all say. My OLD results prove different. Haha i wouldn't know. It's definitely not what they 'all' say though. I have never been anything than upfront and honest with people about my faults/flaws...whatnot and have had great success OLD.
TheFinalWord Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 Thanks I know I need to keep on fighting to reach them. I know fall quarter is going to be hard and I going to see what I am made of. I am taking Human Anatomy and Physiology class if from 7:30 am till 9:30 am every M,T,W and TH . On top of that the teacher is hard but he get me ready for nursing school. I have talked to people that have taken the class and a few teachers and they all said the same thing . You can get an A only if you study 4 to 5 hours a day after class 7 days a week. Add the 40 + hours a week I work I might cut my hours if i can. The AP sequence is a lot, but it gets easier. Lots of YouTube videos you can start watching now to get a head start. .
TheFinalWord Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 how the **** did we get on this We've gone from settling to doing something about it. I think it's progress for a typical LS "generalize an entire gender as shallow" thread j/k
Elam Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Its not a case of hot/beautiful is the top 10% and the next 80% is average and the bottom 10% is ugly. People on here and IRL I see it too tend to think somewhat like this, though I see it more with women who downplay the height/well built physique in the men they date, but also acting humble with their success and their own looks, like you. "I'm no model" or "he's no model" or "he doesn't have a 6pack" is often quite misleading in terms of describing actually how sort after that person is in day to day life for the average person. I think with our shallow society we tend to benchmark ourselves and the people we desire in terms of that. Also I think the increase in aspirational marketing, increased worship of success & beauty, and the increase in focus on university education/career success also often leads people to think "I've worked hard, I've got the good qualifications/career/apartment/car, I deserve a great gf/bf" An awful lot of women in their 20s are desirable & sexy. Nature did a wonderful job in that regard so our species breeds. The increase in weight over the last 3 or so decades has upset the balance imo because its hit women's sex appeal harder than men's. I strongly suspect in OPs case overweight women are not part of his criteria for worthy gf. The hookup culture has also effected the balance as well imo. So easy for a woman to have nsa with men that would would not consider them worthy of a relationship, and that can distort their perception of their 'standard' and also lot of guy's feelings when it comes to competition for women. They are competing for a girl with guys who are happy to drop standards to have her as just a ons/fb/fwb/fling, and a big % of women are happy to go with it these days. As well he says "too much competition for the best women". The best women, so is he talking the top 10-20% here or what. Its hard in such posts to know if the person is shooting out of their league or not. If you see your more desirable friends go through lots of cute girls, it can be hard not to think all I want is just 1 of those girls for a gf and I would treat her so much better, but it doesn't work that way (even tho women might pitch how a guy treats them is more important, the guy needs to get over her first hurdle of attraction to be a contender). Bars, clubs are a tough scene unless you are good looking. His "honesty, devotion, support, love, intelligence, attentiveness, open mindedness," really wont count for all that much there...and I'm sure it goes the same way for him when it comes to the women there too. Parties are generally a great place to meet, and they were my favorite events to meet girls. The last few over 30s parties I've been too though it was tougher. More single men than women (I guess coz of single moms & women going out less). Most of the single women were overweight and competition for the 1or 2 other women was fierce. You have to fight for her attention and join the verbal pissing contest to try impress her more. If you placed a bet on her going home/giving her number to the hottest guy, you'd win your bet, so they are not as easy as when I was young. So in that respect its tough, but for a guy in his early 20s there should be so many more options and so many younger women have sex appeal. The more overt at showing it off, of course will attract more men (competition). I don't believe that men are picky. I've seen guys group up and talk excitedly about women who were quite frankly pretty bland to look at, a few of them were even below average when compared to the average women surrounding them. They weren't obese. But we had a huge number of foreign students from Germany, Sweden, Italy, Spain, South Africa, South Korea and South America. You'd think these women who were considered beautiful would have hordes of men after them but it didn't seem to go down that way all that much. Oh, good-looking men who were wealthy did go after them and they dated these women, but most of the men I met in college, and most of the men I observed trying to get lucky with women would circle around women who shared their level of looks. I'd see the men get rejected far more often than I'd see a cellphone number being passed between the guy and the gal. Going for below-average women wouldn't work. Women of all levels of beauty(or lack of it) are always being gifted with male attention. Surely some of that attention does not originate from a desire to have a relationship with the woman in question, but I don't mind the attention of women I'm not attracted to. I even find it flattering. The OP is right about one thing. Women do receive a lot more attention than men get. Unless you are a 25 year old 6 feet tall Tom Cruise you are going to be invisible to women. Sure, women will notice your existence when they decide they want to have a family and get married(30'ish) but the true measure of a man's attractiveness depends on how easy he gets sex and it also depends on how attractive the woman who offers sex is. If you are being approached by women who are beautiful and in their 20s you can be darn sure you are one of the most attractive men around. Oh, I wouldn't really pay much attention to women's descriptions of themselves. Nor would I pay much attention to the descriptions they make of the men they sleep with. ''My boyfriend is average.'' 6'2'' surfer type. ''I don't care about height. I'm 4'11'' and my boyfriend is 6'6''. ''A man's income is no concern of mine, just as long as he makes enough for himself. my boyfriend makes triple of what I make.' You're right that most women in their 20s are excessively attractive to most men. Despite everything; the massive consumption of porn by young men, the endless hours so many men dedicate to video games, the way testosterone has been decreasing - does it matter at all? All a young woman needs to be attractive is to have the proper weight for her height. To have a good smile and to be poilite. What does a man need to be to be attractive to women who are in their 20s? Tall. handsome. Rich.Great smile. Great car. His own house. Its only when a woman is in her 30s that the requirements to be a woman's FWB or boyfriend decrease by a significant bunch. But that's only because her youthful beauty is long gone(she can no longer attract the Cristian Bales of the world) and she wants to get married and to have children. Even if children are off the table Lord Byron has too many options so women settle down with men they aren't attracted to, and then its ''I got an headache'' repeated every day of the week like what happens to my friends who were silly enough to marry after being rejected in their 20s by very average/below average women despite these dudes being in their league, looks-wise. Women aren't really interested in how well you treat them. There's this silly belief floating around for ages that depicts women as being prone to falling in love/lust over a man's personality, confidence, and how well he treats the target of his affections, but I've lived long enough to learn that its not like that at all. Im a social bum. I have no ambition. I have no goals. I don't even tip my waiter and I never lacked for female attention and I can pick and choose which girl I want. On the other hand I have many friends who are average(average height, average weight for their height, full head of hair etc) who can't even get a date with any woman to save their lives, and they are great human beings. Women are far more visually-oriented than men are. Meaning, that women who are in their late teens up to their late 20s pick men based on the man's looks and height and build. In their 30s they pick anyone who'll have them, marry them, have a couple of kids, divorce and then they become cougars. Yes, the OP could go for younger women. But most women in their 20s aren't interested in men in their 30s. Unless the guy is hot. Although I've heard of women in their early 20's claim they wouldn't sleep with Cristiano Ronaldo because he's ''too old.'' Its probably a lie created to appear as a good girl to the female social pyramid at play. I'm sure they'd bang Cristiano Ronaldo if he'd look at them. ...who gave up and settled down with a..." That sucks...for both of them. If these guys have made peace with their decision and embrace the women for their good qualities, and are happier being in a relationship that is not based on desire than being single, then fine. If they resent being with the woman and it bleeds through into his day to day life with her and he does not treat her special for being with him, then they should do the woman and themselves a favor and breakup. Likewise this goes both ways and applies to the overweight woman as well if she continually wished she had someone better. Its not great settling (if you have not come to terms with reality and your aspirations) but it also sucks being in a relationship with someone who is settling for you, and not giving their best for you. overweight women settle with men they aren't interested in. A friend's aunt is in her 50s and she's with a guy who hasn't had a job in over 30 years. He's been supported by his mother and sister. I asked her why she doesn't find another guy and she said its hard for a 50 year old woman to find a man who is A) Alive. B) Still cares about women. C) Not gay. D) Not paying child-support and alimony. lol. But that's just an example. What is the average guy to do when he's in his 20s/early 30s and there are no obese women he can settle for because there are no obese/below average women where he lives? This has been the most pressing issue for several friends of mine. but for a guy in his early 20s there should be so many more options and so many younger women have sex appeal. The more overt at showing it off, of course will attract more men (competition). Being surrounded by young, attractive women does not mean the guy has many more options than the guy who rarely meets women but looks like Luke Evans. I went to college with guys who literally had 50+ women as their classmates and only a handful of men as competition and they still failed to get any attention from any of the women, regardless of the woman's social status, single or not. Competing for women is silly. There is no competition. Men display, women select,and women will always select the best of the whole lot, leaving all of the other men to nurse their sex drives by themselves. My advice to men in their 20s is to become better-looking than all the rest. Lift hard, dress like you work at Wall Street(and not as a toilet cleaner) get better-looking in any way. Shed any emotional connection with women and just play the field. If you can't attract women for casual sex, if the only way you have to acquire sex is by being in a relationship with a woman who isn't beautful.. forget about it. Save your money and spend it on escorts. Oh man, I'll go ahead answer this for you. OLD there are is a bunch of women looking for someone more attractive and has more going for himself than they do. For example a size 16 with 3 kids looking for a fit good looking dude with a job. That and a bunch of women who like to text and flirt but don't wanna actually meet in person. That happens because men enable it. My brother's girlfriend has a cousin who is a size 18 at the age of 22. She has serious health issues, doesn't have a job, has a face that would look right at home on a 55 year old British English Teacher body, doesn't have money, and yet she dates and hooks-up with men who are a lot more attractive than her. These dudes don't have a ''big, beautiful woman'' complex. They literally can't get laid with women who aren't obese despite being normal-looking in every way. Its hilarious. Or maybe it's your view of women I mean I don't know anybody pretty OR ugly who would date a guy who thinks of women that way. I've never met a bank-robber. That a clear, 100% bullet-proof evidence that bank-robbers don't exist. Look bro, there are men out there who think the uttermost worst of women and they never lack female attention, and many of these women not only are beautful, tall, thihn and natural blondes but they're also great human beings with their lives set straight on. I know of many decent guys who spend more time on buying hard drives(I KNOW! Who download porns in the 21th century??!!) for that sweet time with Sasha Gray and Pamela Anderson. Don't make it look like ''bad men with terrible worldviews on women'' are being banned from sex and reproduction and that every good man who genuinely cares about women is in a relationship or isn't sexually starved because women love to hook-up with a man who knows how to treat a woman(with respect and care That only matters if the guy is hot to begin with). I'm slim and have a nice smile and I simply look for the average guy with a good heart. Indeed. I hope you don't mind me taking the liberty to read your posting history. The trouble is that you are interested in the average guy with a good heart now. Not when you were young. You're done with bad boys. As most women are as they enter their late 20s. Is it fair to expect young men to put their sexual desires and their desire for a relationship on hold while women have fun in their 20s and then think, ''hm, I think I want something serious with a nice guy.'' Heck, no. Men in their 20s cannot compete with the few hot men who get all of the sex and relationships. That's the whole point of the thread. Edited June 17, 2015 by Elam
Elam Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 It's beyond stupid for women to bring up the 'you get what you give' talk. Women reject men who are equal to them in every way literally hundreds of thousands of times every day. If you 'just don't feel it', fine. But don't start that argument. You'll get crushed. ha ha, true. its hilarious. I see men on the subway and on the train and on the bus approach women who are as 'ugly' as they themselves are and they are rejected. You should see the look on the woman's face when i approach the guy and tell him to approach women who are a lot better-looking than him. Chances are he's going to be rejected, so why not be rejected by women who have more than enough reasons to reject him? To be rejected by a woman who shares your level of looks or lower must be hurtful as hell.
Halcyon Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 Sure, women will notice your existence when they decide they want to have a family and get married(30'ish) but the true measure of a man's attractiveness depends on how easy he gets sex and it also depends on how attractive the woman who offers sex is. If you are being approached by women who are beautiful and in their 20s you can be darn sure you are one of the most attractive men around. This made me laugh. I'm by no means one of the most attractive men around or rich and I've been asked out several times by attractive, intelligent, successful women in their twenties. More than anything it has to do with your attitude and outlook on life. If you are very negative, insecure that shines through and is a total turnoff to both sexes. 2
elaine567 Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 ha ha, true. its hilarious. I see men on the subway and on the train and on the bus approach women who are as 'ugly' as they themselves are and they are rejected. I suspect most women would not feel happy about anyone attempting to pick them up on public transport. A bit scary, I would assume. 1
Halcyon Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 I suspect most women would not feel happy about anyone attempting to pick them up on public transport. A bit scary, I would assume. That was my thought as well, I don't know any women who would want to be approached by some random dude on public transport. 2
Elam Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 Prostitutes, porn and a message board filled with other men doing the same thing. Soaking up the endlessly repeated message that they're all 100 times happier than the poor suckers out there who are genuinely loved by infuriatingly and embarrassingly imperfect harpies who will demand to be loved in return - even when their boobs start heading southwards. A lot of men don't divorce their wives because they'd lose too much by doing so. Either by paying alimony, huge amounts of it, or having limited access to their children because their ex-wives decree how much time their ex-husbands can spend with their children. I have quite a large social circle and the men in my community don't shy away when it comes to interacting with the friends of their sons. I hang out with men who are old enough to be my grandfather. Men who are the fathers of my friends. Men who are the grandfathers of my friends. These older men tell me the secret to a long marriage is to keep your mouth shut and to not expect sex after the babies are born. I know guys who last got laid when their sons were born, some 25 years ago. Those are the dumb ones. The ones who don't get sex from their wives but are too stubborn to pay for sex(as if the sex they got/get in their marriage is not paid for) are the most unhappy of the lot. I was fooling around with a girl from my class when I was 19 and the guy's computer broke down. It was quite late in the night and the guy never had much patience to follow phone instructions, and since i was already there spending the night with his daughter I just went ahead and fixed the dude's computer right there. Oh man, I laughed my ass off when I fixed his computer and found out that the guy's computer was air-tight with porn. A guy who owns his own company. Owns some of the most expensive executive cars built by men. Was the best student to graduate from his college. And he has to resort to porn because his wife won't put out. But I bet she loves spending the money he works to the bone to get After a couple of beers the guy began to open up to me and he told me his life story. How he met his wife when he was 18 and with a bright future ahead of him. She'd put out everyday during the boyfriend/girlfriend relationship stage. He was loving it, of course. He thought it would last forever. Forever was until his daughter was born and his then-wife's future was secured, ahaha. As soon as she had that ''life insurance'' the fountain closed and she never had sex with him again. There I was thinking he must've been average and she must have been a knock-out to be able to pull this one out but the guy showed me pictures of when they were young and they were equally matched in looks. He spent his youth and his wealth on that? This guy isn't the only guy I know who's living a life of involuntary celibacy. I know many guys who are in this situation. Young//older men whose sex life is inferior to that of the average priest, LOL. Hell, thinking back, I knew young priests who got laid a lot more than guys who were in relationships, and I'm talking about real priests: men who are forbidden from having sex with women. Anyway. I'm sure that there are men out there who are happily married. I also know this guy from Angola who walked over a field filled with mines and his entire body is still intact. But you won't catch me doing what he did, LOL. Oh, I do know of one married couple who are still going strong 20 years after the day of their marriage. Thing is, she's incredibly beautiful and hot. Think Angelina Jolie but with natural DD cups. They met when he was 23 and she was 18: they married one year after, have a daugther, and she puts out for him everyday for the last 20 years. You can betcha he's pretty happy with his wife, and her breasts are still as incredible as they must've been when she was 18. As for men watching porn and going to prostitutes. haha, there's an entire generation of young men in Japan called ''grass-eaters'' who are betweeen the age of 15-35 who've never had sex, never went on a date, and don't plan on it, and the men who're doing this aren't ugly nor fat. They say porn and fapping is cheaper, comes with no risks, and women won't divorce them and take them to the cleaners like their mothers did to their fathers ahaha. Oh, I'm sure that there are a handful of young studs who are dutifully making the rounds, but the majority of young women won't find a husband, a father for their kids and not even a boyfriend. To think that Japan was impossible to conquer by force but its going down via porn and hentai ahaahaha.
elaine567 Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 Elam, frankly, do not get married or get tangled up with women. We get it, no need to expand further. NO man according to you, is ever going to be happy with a woman, so YOU are best not to even go there, you are right, YOU should not go there. Women will not make YOU happy. Save your money and spend it on escorts. - I wish you luck. 1
Halcyon Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Very depressing when an entire gender is reduced to sexist, negative stereotypes and guys like this wonder why women don't like them. Could it possibly be that women *shock horror* are individuals with their own goals, aspirations, hopes and dreams. Women have more value than how much sex they are willing to put out and how pretty they are. They can be and often are just pretty awesome people just like a lot of guys are as well. There are ****ty guys and girls, happens on both sides but this isn't anything groundbreaking. But of course it's much easier to paint all women with a broad brush as evil harpies looking to dig their claws into you and steal all your money. Because that is the lazy way rather than looking inwards. Edited June 17, 2015 by Halcyon 3
Radu Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 As you can see from my profile pictures, I'm no model or beauty queen. However, I aim for men who feel dead lucky to have me. Despite not being Megan Fox, I've honestly had men who thought I was gorgeous. Just because I can't be in America's next top model that doesn't mean all the men I date feel like they have " settled " for an ugly chick Leigh ... i think i saw a few pictures of you. The only thing that might somewhat stand out is the fact that you have a somewhat bigger proboscis. But that's not an issue; you are in great shape and the 'girls' will draw a lot of eyes ... so go for higher class of men.
Radu Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 ive had enough of the dating scene. its just too brutal. too much competition for the best women. i simply do not have the tools to compete. trust me im over 30 ive been in there...cold approaching women, bars, clubs, parties, you name it. its all the same game. ive suffered a lot of rejection, so much i cant approach anymore. i see a girl i fancy i know im gonna get rejected. why bother? I'm of the same age, and also single. I don't know about you, but what do you expect in bars, clubs and parties ? Really ? And cold approaches on the street ... very hard to do and not appear rude/annoying. I'm not saying you should give up, just that you should look at other avenues. Have you thought about dancing, or any other hobbies where there will be a lot of women ?
Radu Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 Anyway. I'm sure that there are men out there who are happily married. I also know this guy from Angola who walked over a field filled with mines and his entire body is still intact. But you won't catch me doing what he did, LOL. Oh, I do know of one married couple who are still going strong 20 years after the day of their marriage. Thing is, she's incredibly beautiful and hot. Think Angelina Jolie but with natural DD cups. They met when he was 23 and she was 18: they married one year after, have a daugther, and she puts out for him everyday for the last 20 years. You can betcha he's pretty happy with his wife, and her breasts are still as incredible as they must've been when she was 18. There are happy couples, or ppl who are happily married right here on LS. I know many in my own family, and yes ... most are of the older generation, but i also know young ones too. As for men watching porn and going to prostitutes. haha, there's an entire generation of young men in Japan called ''grass-eaters'' who are betweeen the age of 15-35 who've never had sex, never went on a date, and don't plan on it, and the men who're doing this aren't ugly nor fat. They say porn and fapping is cheaper, comes with no risks, and women won't divorce them and take them to the cleaners like their mothers did to their fathers ahaha. Oh, I'm sure that there are a handful of young studs who are dutifully making the rounds, but the majority of young women won't find a husband, a father for their kids and not even a boyfriend. To think that Japan was impossible to conquer by force but its going down via porn and hentai ahaahaha. Japan is special. Children are assets, fathers are not allowed at all to have contact with them after Divorce [1h supervised per month], Japanese women are generally to be avoided like a plague in the West, as there have been many cases where they kidnapped their children at the orders of their family back home and still sued for child support. Not to mention the emasculation at home, and the preponderence of sexless couples in their own country.
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