organizedchaos Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 Take a gander at the What makes a man creepy? thread. While that thread was far from developing a consensus, many of the women indicated that "invading personal space" makes a man creepy. Anyone invading my personal space is creepy. Should be common knowledge no matter who you are talking to. 2
MissBee Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 I've never thought about this or measured the distance. I simply go by body language and the nature of the environment. In bars or clubs where it is loud a man has to speak close to my ear for me to hear him so he's naturally VERY close to me whereas if I met him elsewhere he wouldn't be speaking in my ear. If I'm not into it I think I'll naturally put some distance between us with my body language, probably folded arms or some other thing I don't even think about whereas if I like I probably subconsciously lean in more and get closer without it being an issue. It's something you just do...I dunno...I've never had to really think about it. I know when someone is too close for comfort and this generally coincides with me not feeling them as well. 1
MissBee Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 PUA tactics help you understand women so the woman isn't screwing several men behind your back while you're at home playing Tetris. Yes, they are. The book teaches you how women think, and can even help you if you want a long lasting relationship, such as marriage. No, I won't put the books down. The books have helped me understand women. I was a nerd that couldn't get anyone back in my day. I didn't lose my virginity until 24, and the girl was no damn good. Why would a woman get up and walk away if I'm using negative body language? Negative body languages psychologically pulls women in. Yeah it is. Maybe I'm tired of women not returning my phone calls, laughing and making fun of me, blowing me off, and saying they just want to be friends? If you want people to respect you, you have to know psychology. This is the bottom line. No woman is going to want to be with a man that doesn't know how to be like a man. The PUA books have saved me. So how many dates or relationships have you gotten since reading these life saving books? Why are you asking us what to do since this high "science" is the end all be all and has all the answers you could ever need? Real women and men who get dates are saying this stuff is awful yet....you're saying it's proven. By whom? Look...you're reading it and as far as I can see it's not working.
Author UnknownSoldier Posted May 28, 2015 Author Posted May 28, 2015 Why don't you try treating beautiful women exactly the same as everyone else. I don't even filter my filthy behaviour around attractive women. Some women find it a turnoff when I treat them the same as I would a male friend. Most just find it refreshing that I'm not acting like some creepy PUA. And confidence goes a long way. Treating a smoking hot girl like a regular person and not falling all over yourself goes a long way too. So does not giving a f**k. Burn those pathetic books and grow a set. Sorry man. Just sayin Because ignorance will not get you laid? I guess that explains why I didn't lose my virginity until 24, and why everyone made fun of me. Lack of knowledge.
Author UnknownSoldier Posted May 28, 2015 Author Posted May 28, 2015 The OP sounds like someone who's recently joined a cult. It is a cult. We're following a set of rules, have codes we follow, and don't tell anyone the name of our cult.
Author UnknownSoldier Posted May 28, 2015 Author Posted May 28, 2015 How so? He's just trying to figure out how to talk to women without coming across as needy, desperate, or as a creep. It is a cult, but a good one. It teaches you how to avoid this stuff.
Author UnknownSoldier Posted May 28, 2015 Author Posted May 28, 2015 Scientific? How romantic If this is the book I'm thinking it is it was penned by a MAN which I think says it all. If you really want to understand women better it might help to ask WOMEN. Speaking as a woman, I also agree with Satu that being authentic and having a quiet confidence goes a long way with women. Playing some pick-up game and trying to be something you're not is wildly unattractive. Any woman with an ounce of self worth can sniff that out a mile away. Good luck. You're not being something you're not, its teaching you how to act appropriately around women, so you can land a date. It teaches you not to be desperate, not to use too much positive body language, not to hesitate, and so forth. If a man makes these mistakes, the woman will run away. It also teaches you how to attract women more. I don't see anything wrong with this. What is wrong with me using a book so I don't end up in another relationship where the woman is taking advantage of me? And yeah, the only woman that's going to tell me about how a woman thinks is my therapist. You ask a woman this is public, and she'll think you're trying to bed her.
Author UnknownSoldier Posted May 28, 2015 Author Posted May 28, 2015 So how many dates or relationships have you gotten since reading these life saving books? Why are you asking us what to do since this high "science" is the end all be all and has all the answers you could ever need? Real women and men who get dates are saying this stuff is awful yet....you're saying it's proven. By whom? Look...you're reading it and as far as I can see it's not working. 1. Because you can't ask the books questions. Its not working, because I'm making mistakes during the interactions. I'm also noticing the mistakes as well, so I know what's going on.
gaius Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 If there are good vibes I like the 45 degree angle, with our arms nearly touching. It's not too threatening since you're not right in front of her, she has to turn her head a bit to make eye contact, and it's still very intimate when she does. 1
jen1447 Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 I've never thought about this or measured the distance. I simply go by body language and the nature of the environment. In bars or clubs where it is loud a man has to speak close to my ear for me to hear him so he's naturally VERY close to me whereas if I met him elsewhere he wouldn't be speaking in my ear. If I'm not into it I think I'll naturally put some distance between us with my body language, probably folded arms or some other thing I don't even think about whereas if I like I probably subconsciously lean in more and get closer without it being an issue. It's something you just do...I dunno...I've never had to really think about it. I know when someone is too close for comfort and this generally coincides with me not feeling them as well. ^ So true. Social interaction really is a subconscious function essentially, one that is developed over a lifetime, not after a few days and reading a book. We know these 'rules' subconsciously because we live them daily. I strongly suspect very few people think about distances and angles and all that consciously when it's happening. I think people who live professionally within that world where they have to evaluate people's body language on a regular basis (like police officers) are most likely the only ones who make regular conscious evaluations. The rest of us are just fooling ourselves if we think we do, or worse yet, giving off the exact opposite vibe you're hoping to by outwardly showing some quasi-tactical approach to your interaction. Ladies, we've all seen this, right? The guy who's sitting next to you at a date and you almost see a switch go off in his eyes, he swallows nervously, clicks a mental checklist in his mind, and reaches out his arm to 'suavely' put around you or his hand to touch you (then maybe jerks it back nervously lol). Not sexy or smooth. So the self-help books could inadvertently actually be hurting these guys. Speaking as a woman, I also agree with Satu that being authentic and having a quiet confidence goes a long way with women Yep, I think if this whole concept had to be reduced to one sentence, that would be it.
Michelle ma Belle Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) You're not being something you're not, its teaching you how to act appropriately around women, so you can land a date. It teaches you not to be desperate, not to use too much positive body language, not to hesitate, and so forth. If a man makes these mistakes, the woman will run away. It also teaches you how to attract women more. I don't see anything wrong with this. What is wrong with me using a book so I don't end up in another relationship where the woman is taking advantage of me? And yeah, the only woman that's going to tell me about how a woman thinks is my therapist. You ask a woman this is public, and she'll think you're trying to bed her. Listen, I'm all about self-help books and doing whatever one can to better themselves and ultimately find enlightenment. I'm living proof that a few great books, a good therapist and some good old fashioned common sense can make a world of difference. If that is what this book is teaching you then fine I guess. However, from what I've read in some of the reviews, there is a lot of the game playing for the purposes of strictly bedding women...lots of women. I just think there are better books on the market that might be more female-friendly. As for asking women in public these kinds of questions...what do you think THIS is?! What better place to blindly ask such questions from women that run the gamut in terms of experiences. This place might be the best schooling you'll ever get on the subject...that is if you're prepared to actually listen to what is being said. Good luck. Edited May 28, 2015 by Michelle ma Belle 2
Author UnknownSoldier Posted May 28, 2015 Author Posted May 28, 2015 Listen, I'm all about self-help books and doing whatever one can to better themselves and ultimately find enlightenment. I'm living proof that a few great books, a good therapist and some good old fashioned common sense can make a world of difference. If that is what this book is teaching you then fine I guess. However, from what I've read in some of the reviews, there is a lot of the game playing for the purposes of strictly bedding women...lots of women. I just think there are better books on the market that might be more female-friendly. As for asking women in public these kinds of questions...what do you think THIS is?! What better place to blindly ask such questions from women that run the gamut in terms of experiences. This place might be the best schooling you'll ever get on the subject...that is if you're prepared to actually listen to what is being said. Good luck. LOL, common sense is the worst thing you can do. Yeah, I tried using common sense back when I was 18, and slipped into a world full of men disrespecting me, women always turning me down, and not having a romantic life. I refuse to go through life not having the woman I want, being depressed, and everything falling apart. Talking like this, you remind me of the Christians back in my day that told me to pray to Jesus to get the woman I wanted. Guess what? I prayed all the time, and it never happened. 1
Elam Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 Listen, I'm all about self-help books and doing whatever one can to better themselves and ultimately find enlightenment. I'm living proof that a few great books, a good therapist and some good old fashioned common sense can make a world of difference. If that is what this book is teaching you then fine I guess. However, from what I've read in some of the reviews, there is a lot of the game playing for the purposes of strictly bedding women...lots of women. I just think there are better books on the market that might be more female-friendly. As for asking women in public these kinds of questions...what do you think THIS is?! What better place to blindly ask such questions from women that run the gamut in terms of experiences. This place might be the best schooling you'll ever get on the subject...that is if you're prepared to actually listen to what is being said. Good luck. What is wrong with guys wanting to bed as many girls as they can? Men want sex. Men want variety(as many women do.The issue is that there aren't that many attractive guys to choose from, women are tend to be more attractive than men) and men want to have fun. I noticed one very funny fact back when I was in college. The men who weren't sexually successful with women, average-looking men, or men with no swag($$$) would work hard, like they were Alexander The Great and working to the bone to conquer an Empire, and the women they'd manage to get were very average-looking, some of the women were below. One stark difference beteween how the average-men and the good-looking men behaved where it concerned women had its origin in how the other sex saw them. The average men weren't lusted after, so when they finally got a girlfriend they'd cling to her and treat her like she was Jennifer Lawrence lol. The men who were attractive, physically attractive, and the men who had money would treat women with indifference. Even if the woman was highly desired by most of the guys the guys she was dating, the hot men, would move on to another hot woman rather quickly after a few weeks of sleeping with her. That is confidence. The power to choose the women you want to have sex with and move on when you are no longer interested in her. PUA's attempt to teach men how to become a god. PUAs teach men how to attract women's attention. I've seen guys go from virgins well into their thirties to Casanovas by working on their bodies, their charm and by learning how to talk to women - taught by men who knew what they were doing. If I wanted to learn how to make a woman fall in love with me I'd ask my 80 year old pastor who's been with his wife for the past 50 years. If I want to learn how I can bang hot Germanic women, exotic-looking South-Korean women, bootylicious Brazilian women.... I'm going to ask which guy? The guy who writes ''female-friendly'' books?
joseb Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 LOL, common sense is the worst thing you can do. Yeah, I tried using common sense back when I was 18 Perhaps you didn't have common sense back then - perhaps you are looking at these PUA books as a way to 'fake' it. All I'll say is don't be blinded into thinking that the PUA writers are magic gurus who are always right - you sound like an evangelical Christian to be honest in the way you defend your new found faith. There are definitely some things that you can learn from reading these books, and some of what you will learn is actually not bad. But honestly, if you are looking to find someone nice that you can trust, it is not the best way.
joseb Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 If I wanted to learn how to make a woman fall in love with me I'd ask my 80 year old pastor who's been with his wife for the past 50 years. If I want to learn how I can bang hot Germanic women, exotic-looking South-Korean women, bootylicious Brazilian women.... I'm going to ask which guy? The guy who writes ''female-friendly'' books? The OP has stated he wants to find a woman that is loyal for a relationship. So maybe you should pass on your pastor's details? 1
ltjg45 Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 ....... Amazing. No wonder this thread get so many responses. The question is certainly not normal at the least. At least I get a little bit of happiness knowing this 28-year old virgin is not so clueless that I have to ask this crazy question on LS. 2
Elam Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 PUA's are trying to make a living. With so many young men who are sexually frustrated because they can't get any, PUA can make a guy rich by telling guys they can get laid by following x method. The OP should read and pick what is useful from the books he reads, that is all.
MissBee Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 1. Because you can't ask the books questions. Its not working, because I'm making mistakes during the interactions. I'm also noticing the mistakes as well, so I know what's going on. Well no one here believes in the books, so like someone else suggested, you might get better feedback from other members of the cult who read these books intensely on a PUA forum. Doesn't that make more sense than asking folks who mostly find it to be nonsense?
Elam Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Yet another insanely presumptuous and erroneous assumption on the part of a young man who hasn't lived long enough to truly experience nor appreciate life and love and everything in between. Speaking as an "older" woman who has had a plethora of experiences particularly with regards to men and relationships, the older I get the HIGHER my standards have become. Why? Because I know what I want and especially what I don't want and I'm not afraid to ask for it. I have also grown VERY comfortable in my own skin and especially in my sexuality and I have come to learn (as you will hopefully) that happiness and confidence and self-worth comes from WITHIN and not from other people. I march to the beat of my own drum anymore. I know what is important and I know what isn't. I've learned a great many things in my many years and the biggest ones are that I have value and my time is precious. Translation? I don't waste my time hanging around anyone (men or women) who choose to play games or think, live and behave one-dimensionally. Life isn't black and white and either are people. The sooner you realize this the better off your life will be. And FYI, people who settle do so out of fear and insecurity, NOT because of their age. As a vibrant woman who happens to be older I no longer have either. I hope one day you'll get to experience this as well. That's great. But what does that have to do with what I said? Young women select men based on looks because they can. There is no pressing need to put value onto a man due to a desire for children or marriage. Young women aren't searching for the love of their lives when they are 18-22. They have an eye open for that guy who looks good when she brings out those 6 inch heels, or when she wants to make her girlfriend jealous. Older women can't continue to select men based on the men's looks because attractive men who are in their 30s and older, single, there aren't many of them left. Older men who kept their looks are either married or playing the field, which means that older women have to settle with the men they have around them. Given the chance, most women who are in their mid to late 30s, and older, are going to choose a physically good-looking man. I have met many women who are in their 30s, doctors, dentists, engineers - women who can make a lot of money on their own. And they are dating or married to men who are above-average looking. In many cases they'd rather stay single and hook-up with hot men instead of being in relationships. Many of the older women I've met who are married to men who don't make as much money as they do are married to very above-average men. Pretty sweet deal for both of them heh? Yeah, I've noticed that. Older women and women my own age expect me to bring more to the table other than looks. Thing is, all I want is sex. So why would I have to bring something else to the table? lol. I'm amused by how older women think they are better than they were when they were younger because they make money or because they are educated. A woman's academical degree doesn't make me aroused. Now a 22 year old who works as a waitress and looks like a Jessica Simpson? Sign me up. If I want to talk about something I'll visit my former college teachers, thanks. Well no one here believes in the books, so like someone else suggested, you might get better feedback from other members of the cult who read these books intensely on a PUA forum. Doesn't that make more sense than asking folks who mostly find it to be nonsense? How is this a cult? cult noun, often attributive \ˈkəlt\ : a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous : a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much : a small group of very devoted supporters or fans Last I heard, my PUA friends have yet to build an altar dedicated to the all-beautiful jennifer lawrence aha. Dude, just because you've never met the guy who built the Pyramids it doesn't mean the Pyramids weren't built. I've seen PUAs at work and they did just fine picking-up attractive women. The major thing is that they were good-looking. So work on your looks, OP? Edited May 28, 2015 by Elam
Omei Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) A guy must be at least 23 feet away from me if he's any closer I get uncomfortable and its over PS after being on this forum for years now I do not think woman are ruled by emotion any more or less than men are clearly if you've ever spent the time to read all the posts on here throughout the years. Edited May 28, 2015 by Omei 1
alphamale Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 A guy must be at least 23 feet away from me if he's any closer I get uncomfortable and its over
deadelvis Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 this guy should play it safe and stick to the 300 feet rule
Michelle ma Belle Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 That's great. But what does that have to do with what I said? Young women select men based on looks because they can. There is no pressing need to put value onto a man due to a desire for children or marriage. Young women aren't searching for the love of their lives when they are 18-22. They have an eye open for that guy who looks good when she brings out those 6 inch heels, or when she wants to make her girlfriend jealous. Older women can't continue to select men based on the men's looks because attractive men who are in their 30s and older, single, there aren't many of them left. Older men who kept their looks are either married or playing the field, which means that older women have to settle with the men they have around them. Given the chance, most women who are in their mid to late 30s, and older, are going to choose a physically good-looking man. I have met many women who are in their 30s, doctors, dentists, engineers - women who can make a lot of money on their own. And they are dating or married to men who are above-average looking. In many cases they'd rather stay single and hook-up with hot men instead of being in relationships. Many of the older women I've met who are married to men who don't make as much money as they do are married to very above-average men. Pretty sweet deal for both of them heh? Yeah, I've noticed that. Older women and women my own age expect me to bring more to the table other than looks. Thing is, all I want is sex. So why would I have to bring something else to the table? lol. I'm amused by how older women think they are better than they were when they were younger because they make money or because they are educated. A woman's academical degree doesn't make me aroused. Now a 22 year old who works as a waitress and looks like a Jessica Simpson? Sign me up. If I want to talk about something I'll visit my former college teachers, thanks. How is this a cult? cult noun, often attributive \ˈkəlt\ : a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous : a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much : a small group of very devoted supporters or fans Last I heard, my PUA friends have yet to build an altar dedicated to the all-beautiful jennifer lawrence aha. Dude, just because you've never met the guy who built the Pyramids it doesn't mean the Pyramids weren't built. I've seen PUAs at work and they did just fine picking-up attractive women. The major thing is that they were good-looking. So work on your looks, OP? This thread isn't about YOU and what YOU get out of the PUA or how successful YOU'VE been using the techniques outlined in the book which is basically to just f*ck a bunch "chicks" until your d*ck falls off. GO FORTH AND PLUNDER! That is NOT what the OP wants according to all his responses. Once again, we are addressing the OP's choice in regards to using the PUA as a means of finding the girl of his dreams and having a long term loving fulfilling and monogamous RELATIONSHIP. He is the one coming here ASKING for feedback and we are responding accordingly. If you really need to discuss the merits of the book as it relates to YOUR life, start another thread. 1
central Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 It varies. What does her restraining order require? 3
Syberia Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 Exactly 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582
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