krista28 Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 So my employer to day told me that she thinks that I need management training. There are other girls in our offices that have less training than I do that are considered " managers" but somehow my boss is saying I have a lack of training. I have one of the most money making offices however the physician s in the area seem to be quitting because of reasons other than me ( our community is small and theres a stigma about clinical trials). Which is what I deal in. Maybe I dont have a thick skin but I dont believe its fair to blame me for whats been happening at our office and being told im not a good manager. Anyone else ever been there?
katiegrl Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 So my employer to day told me that she thinks that I need management training. There are other girls in our offices that have less training than I do that are considered " managers" but somehow my boss is saying I have a lack of training. I have one of the most money making offices however the physician s in the area seem to be quitting because of reasons other than me ( our community is small and theres a stigma about clinical trials). Which is what I deal in. Maybe I dont have a thick skin but I dont believe its fair to blame me for whats been happening at our office and being told im not a good manager. Anyone else ever been there? This belongs in the Business and Relationships section, not Dating. As for what you are experiencing at your job, need a lot more info to advise you properly.
GemmaUK Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Er..it doesn't sound like she was saying you are no good it sounds like she wants to give you some training to gain some new insights and skills. I have always jumped at the chance to get training and I have been on many types of management courses all of which have been superb! I would lap up the offer of this kind of training if I were you! 3
d0nnivain Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I would take it as she's trying to help you. Clearly the financials are working but you are facing other problems. Take the training. Be happy you are getting that as opposed to being fired. 2
Author krista28 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 I realize what you are all saying however I just feel it's patronizing at this point id rather be fired ahd see how far that got them which would be nowhere.
d0nnivain Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I just feel it's patronizing at this point id rather be fired ahd see how far that got them which would be nowhere. If that is your attitude, you do need management training because you have poor problem solving skills. You are cutting your nose off despite your face. Even if you now hate that job, take the training & use what you learn to get a different / better job. 2
Author krista28 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 Fair enough. And to be honest I don't want to solve the big problems thatve been happening at my work. I do hate my managers and I think they constantly shoot themselves in the foot with the way they treat employees not just me.
Author krista28 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 I also do their accouting so... theyre pretty screwed now.
almond Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 To be honest, your attitude seems terrible. I'm an employer, and I wouldn't want someone with such a toxic way of looking at things on our team. The other managers may have less training, but there is a reason they're telling you that you need more. You're not perfect, and they're trying to do what's best for the business by helping you build your skills. Instead of welcoming the opportunity to learn and grow, you're basically throwing a tantrum about it. If you're this unhappy, then do yourself and the company a favour and just quit. 2
Author krista28 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 Almond as an employer you may have a point. However the managers in my company lets say well I wont get into it. Im entitled to my opinion and what goes around comes around.
BikerAccnt Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 You do need to be careful our you're going to be out of a job. My Ex GF just lost a job about two months ago, and though she didn't see it coming, I did, and all because of attitude. She sounded a lot like you, the managers didn't know anything, they'd be lost without her, no-one else knew her job like her. Then, she was written up, then denied a raise when it normally would have been due. Instead of taking these very serious clues, they only served to worsen her attitude. I was sad to see her lose her job, but I wasn't surprised. You may think you're hiding your attitude, but you really aren't. People at your employer feel it. 2
GemmaUK Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 If you hate it that much then do the management training course and then resign.
Davey L Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Take it as an opportunity, do the training and learn from it. Maybe they think you have potential and therefore worth investing the cost of the training course. In my previous company I did several management courses and I was very conscious of the high cost of these, especially the external courses. I tried hard to get the most out of them and to tackle any issues they raised about my management style
Methodical Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 So my employer to day told me that she thinks that I need management training. There are other girls in our offices that have less training than I do that are considered " managers" but somehow my boss is saying I have a lack of training. I have one of the most money making offices however the physician s in the area seem to be quitting because of reasons other than me ( our community is small and theres a stigma about clinical trials). Which is what I deal in. Maybe I dont have a thick skin but I dont believe its fair to blame me for whats been happening at our office and being told im not a good manager. Anyone else ever been there? You should take a hard look at why girls in your office who have less training are considered managers, and yet your employer singled you out for needing additional training. The business generates the revenue, not you. I realize what you are all saying however I just feel it's patronizing at this point id rather be fired ahd see how far that got them which would be nowhere.[/Quote] Everyone is replaceable. There's always another person with just as good, if not better, skillsets looking for employment. Be careful what you wish for. Fair enough. And to be honest I don't want to solve the big problems thatve been happening at my work. I do hate my managers and I think they constantly shoot themselves in the foot with the way they treat employees not just me.[/Quote] You hate your managers and given the tone of your posts here, I'm sure your managers see and hear your resentment, which doesn't bode well with how you are perceived. Are you actually in management? In the above statement you equate yourself and other employees on the same level, which makes me wonder why your employer mentioned your lack of management skills. Was it management skills or time management?
GemmaUK Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 You should take a hard look at why girls in your office who have less training are considered managers, and yet your employer singled you out for needing additional training. The business generates the revenue, not you. Everyone is replaceable. There's always another person with just as good, if not better, skillsets looking for employment. Be careful what you wish for. You hate your managers and given the tone of your posts here, I'm sure your managers see and hear your resentment, which doesn't bode well with how you are perceived. Are you actually in management? In the above statement you equate yourself and other employees on the same level, which makes me wonder why your employer mentioned your lack of management skills. Was it management skills or time management? I would have to agree. Even your thread title highlights that you appear unable to take work criticism as just that rather than making it personal about you. There is a difference, you know that right?
Tayla Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I tend to agree with the OP- Take this one step at a time. First I would approach management and ask them where their intentions are for the company good to create this "training". Secondly, to give you the chance to re-iterate your side from a business stance. You are correct, that you are NOT responsible for the economy , You are responsible for how to improve the division you are working in though. So brain storm. I had a docile co-worker who seriously was timid and rarely stood up for himself. One day a co-worker stepped way out of line and created quite the scene.The Docile Co worker basically Spoke up in a direct and stern tone about how the facts were. The person who got tossed into "anger management" was the docile co worker. He seriously was upset that they insisted that since his demeanor has been low key that it was his "anger" that went off like a loose cannon. When the reality was he simply spoke up and his words were neither personal or harmful. He was direct. So in my mind, I do get how sometimes management can target one person ( the red herring) and turn it around that its the least likely who gets targetted. Last I looked, even management can get it wrong sometimes.
rester Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 So my employer to day told me that she thinks that I need management training. There are other girls in our offices that have less training than I do that are considered " managers" but somehow my boss is saying I have a lack of training. I have one of the most money making offices however the physician s in the area seem to be quitting because of reasons other than me ( our community is small and theres a stigma about clinical trials). Which is what I deal in. Maybe I dont have a thick skin but I dont believe its fair to blame me for whats been happening at our office and being told im not a good manager. Anyone else ever been there? From what you've written, it sounds like your employer believes in you and wants to help you improve, not that he/she is blaming you for anything. Did he/she tell you that you are not a good manager? I would be excited for the training opportunity and would enthusiastically take it. At the very least, it'll help you if you decide to leave your current job.
Author krista28 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 Sure it would be useful I would be open to paid training. The lady who runs the cimpany is a very nice lady. However the owner of the company tends to blame and come up with hair brained schemes regularly and unfortunately isnt taken very serious ly in the company. She is viewed as the queen of heaets yelling off with their head. I am the more docile less outspoken employee but there have been more issues at my office than at the other offices interms of keepinf external partners we have ( physicians). Mamagement tends to try to blame/ find reasons for that tl be happening. In reality the reason for it is tgat the owner of our company lives in the same town as our office and seems to have built a bad reputation for herself. The lady who runs the company knows this but again...all of this criticism is coming from the ceo a lady who sent a girl from another office for psychiatric evaluation when nothing was wrong with her because one of the physician s she worked with said something. I could be wrong but its hard to respect/ take a manager like that seriously. Not to mention the company is going under anyways.
Trishern Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Almond as an employer you may have a point. However the managers in my company lets say well I wont get into it. Im entitled to my opinion and what goes around comes around. Hi, A few questions to gain a better understanding. Do you have regular annual appraisals at work?has your manager ever discussed performance issues with you before?Have you been set targets that you are not achieving?Do you have a clear job description? In relation to the training proposed, is it management training in the sense of managing others? Or is performing certain tasks properly? I work in HR and have to say a lot of managers I come across do lack skills in terms of management. I'm not sure how your manager worded the training to you, but I sense this is also part of the problem, that she didn't do it diplomatically and more like you are to blame for some problems, which as unfair of her, if she had never raised these issues with you before. Also, I advise managers, that if they approach an employee with anything that looks like a criticism, then they need the evidence, because human nature is to become defensive. I find managers are often insensitive and then they wonder why employees get upset and want to take out grievances.
Author krista28 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 Thank you trishern no in terms of my performance all I seem to get is positive feedback in the money area. We have otger issues that have been coming up. I honestly do think approaching matters this way is very stupid as you said it only upsets employees.
CC12 Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 Maybe I dont have a thick skin but I dont believe its fair to blame me for whats been happening at our office and being told im not a good manager. Anyone else ever been there? Unless they outright told you that they blame you for what's been happening at your office, then try not to take it as though they're blaming you for problems. They see a problem or some issues or whatever, and one of the ways they've chosen to solve it is to get management more training. It's possible that they're simply planning to make some policy changes in your department and want to be sure you're aware of them. Also, if they thought you sucked so bad, they wouldn't bother spending time and money to train you. They'd just fire you and try someone else. at this point id rather be fired ahd see how far that got them which would be nowhere. Like another poster said, everyone is replaceable. Their business will not fail without you. Please get rid of this attitude that they'll go nowhere without you. In my experience, with every employee I've heard say this, I have to chuckle a little because those employees were actually very easily replaceable and they just had an inflated sense of worth. Sure it would be useful I would be open to paid training. The lady who runs the cimpany is a very nice lady. However the owner of the company tends to blame and come up with hair brained schemes regularly and unfortunately isnt taken very serious ly in the company. She is viewed as the queen of heaets yelling off with their head. I am the more docile less outspoken employee but there have been more issues at my office than at the other offices interms of keepinf external partners we have ( physicians). Mamagement tends to try to blame/ find reasons for that tl be happening. In reality the reason for it is tgat the owner of our company lives in the same town as our office and seems to have built a bad reputation for herself. The lady who runs the company knows this but again...all of this criticism is coming from the ceo a lady who sent a girl from another office for psychiatric evaluation when nothing was wrong with her because one of the physician s she worked with said something. I could be wrong but its hard to respect/ take a manager like that seriously. Not to mention the company is going under anyways. This was extremely hard to read with all the typos, but it seems as though you're bringing up a lot of irrelevant issues and trying to place blame elsewhere. I did clearly read that you think the company is going under anyway, so why don't you just save yourself the headache and quit tomorrow?
Author krista28 Posted May 14, 2015 Author Posted May 14, 2015 Honestly because the pay is decent. I had to beg for that raise though. The compwny doesn't give those out easily. The company is 200 000 dollars in debt and I do the acconting so I seethis. I guess my best bet is to continue being a foot soldier and feel bad that theyre under such pressure from the bank. I applogize for the typos I am on my phone and so its happening a lot.
GemmaUK Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 Honestly because the pay is decent. I had to beg for that raise though. The compwny doesn't give those out easily. The company is 200 000 dollars in debt and I do the acconting so I seethis. I guess my best bet is to continue being a foot soldier and feel bad that theyre under such pressure from the bank. I applogize for the typos I am on my phone and so its happening a lot. Begging for pay rises is not real positive reinforcement they are just a more cost effective way to keep someone on instead of outsourcing to hire. You would know that though obviously? Why do you have to feel bad that they are under pressure from the bank? I thought the issue was the training and you seeing it as a personal insult?
Author krista28 Posted May 14, 2015 Author Posted May 14, 2015 It is a personal insult. I do see it that way since others have mentioned this to in the company are dumbfounded and dont agree either.
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