autumnnight Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 It's not like women are asking guys how many women they have been with as a requirement to dating them. That is not what they are saying in this thread. The gist of it is that the men they see having success with women tend to treat them like crap and dont have any respect for them. Even though women don't like to admit it, there is some truth to it. These guys complaining on here aren't trying to have sex with a different girl every night and become some kind of player, they just want one halfway decent woman to give them the time of day. Part of the reason they don't get this is because most of those women are focused on some douchebag who just sees her as a cum dumpster. These guys are partially correct on here, but men are no longer allowed to criticize women, because then every other woman shows up to tell them how much of a loser they are. Sticking power? Most of these guys making this type of thread don't need sticking power, they need a date. Sticking power is irrelevant to a guy who can't get a woman to even talk to him. And blaming all of womankind is not gonna help them. That is what they don't seem to get. Getting angry at all women and calling us dupes who only fall for bad boys is NOT gonna get them a date with us.
jay1983 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 And blaming all of womankind is not gonna help them. That is what they don't seem to get. Getting angry at all women and calling us dupes who only fall for bad boys is NOT gonna get them a date with us. Don't even worry about it, most these dudes are Hippocrates and don't even realize it.
Robert Z Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) You really do have to appreciate the irony of women being attracted to men who respect themselves but who are not respectable! How many marriage proposals has Charles Manson had? Here is his latest beauty http://cdn.mamamia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/CHARLESSTAR.jpg Edited June 11, 2015 by Robert Z 3
Robert Z Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Being 55 and chasing young hotties puts a guy at a disadvantage. But historically I always did okay with dating. The hardest part for me was the initial contact. I did meet women this way and met my first fiancée at a gas station! But if a woman got a chance to know me I almost always did well. That was my strength. So I learned to play to that. And that is my working theory with sugar babies. I have the confidence that a woman way too young and beautiful for me could fall in love with me, but getting the opportunity is the hard part. So I found a mechanism for entry, so to speak, that bypasses a lot of the mumbo jumbo. It is just a new twist on an old play for me. But even in the regular dating world, if a guy isn't good at meeting women, then he might try putting himself in situations where he can get to know a lot of women in a casual setting. Give them a chance to get to know you before you start pushing for dates. A lot of men who are confident simply don't convey that confidence. And the pressure of dating can bring out the worst vulnerabilities in a man. I remember being shocked to discover in high school that a couple of the coolest guys in the school were taking home economics. At first I couldn't believe it. That is a class for women! Then I realized it was a stroke of brilliance! Edited June 11, 2015 by Robert Z 2
ascendotum Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) And blaming all of womankind is not gonna help them. That is what they don't seem to get. Getting angry at all women and calling us dupes who only fall for bad boys is NOT gonna get them a date with us. They basically need to qualify their grievances about women and dating in terms of 'some women' 'many women' 'a big % of women', and so on. Even then a lot of threads with guys complaining about women's behavior will largely apply to younger women in their late teens to late 20s as well or prettier women, so of course some older/mature women on here will take offense to it, though some may have been guilty of doing whatever it was back then too, but are now much more smart & no nonsense when it comes to men. RZ -Sheesh on squinty eyed Chuck's new lady. He is doing alright for himself even in jail. Better than some of the guys on here. lol Edited June 11, 2015 by ascendotum 1
Emilia Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I will still maintain that in many cases it's about like attracting like. Some women feel comfortable with certain men and they largely ignore the BS. I'm sure you could argue that many men that sleep around a lot have self-esteem issues since they tend to pass up the chance of real, fulfilling love. Not having a good woman to go home to every night. It's all very damaged and damaging for both parties.
Emilia Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I remember being shocked to discover in high school that a couple of the coolest guys in the school were taking home economics. At first I couldn't believe it. That is a class for women! Then I realized it was a stroke of brilliance! This is why Meetup is better than OLD. Though it killed yoga for me. You can spot dudes who are there for the women from a mile. Largely because of the fake smiles.
Robert Z Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 This is why Meetup is better than OLD. Though it killed yoga for me. You can spot dudes who are there for the women from a mile. Largely because of the fake smiles. Haha, yes, I tried the yoga thing. I figured it would be a good place to meet women but I didn't really like the yoga part. So I ditched it. I figured it would be good if I really enjoyed it but I wasn't going to fake it just to hit on women.
jay1983 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 This is why Meetup is better than OLD. Though it killed yoga for me. You can spot dudes who are there for the women from a mile. Largely because of the fake smiles. What's wrong with that though? I went to a meet up a couple of years ago for people in their 30's and 40's cause I wanted to meet women and sure enough, 2 cougars.
ascendotum Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 This is why Meetup is better than OLD. Though it killed yoga for me. You can spot dudes who are there for the women from a mile. Largely because of the fake smiles. off topic - On occasion when I had sore/stiff muscles from the gym I would do one of the gym classes - some sort of yoga/pilates type session. Its like 90% women of fall ages (mostly >30). The other guys who have done it never seemed to be smarmy eager to sit next to the hotter women types. I find most of the women don't seem to hang around much. They come just before class and shoot off home straight after. It would be good if the gym was more of a leisure center and there were seats and coffee/juice bar. Anyway what do you call a fake smile? Like he smiles at you during the class for no reason or approaches you to talk smiling already like a salesman? I look around and check out the other women but everyone seems very focused and are looking at the instructor/looking out the window/have eyes closed. i reckon its easier to talk to women in the weights room. I know in the couple of meetup groups I was in that if there were some attractive women coming along that were not regulars a bunch of new dudes that you hardly ever see would also show up (the bastards lol). There are men and also women out there who join a swag of different meetups and will just look to see who is going to the next meetup and will go to whatever one has the most attractive people meeting I reckon. 1
Emilia Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 You can just tell that they are not into it and they are in it for the women. Plenty of guys turn up, do their thing, have a quick chat and leave. But there would be one or two that just stare at women in yoga pants and try to fake conversations. I get the socialising and a group like this is what got me into surfing but there is something about men completely pretending just to perv when women don't have a choice but to wear tight clothing (as your form is checked and corrected).
Emilia Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Those guys are going about it the wrong way. Instead, they should actually stick with the yoga, and lay off the women for a long while. After everyone gets used to seeing them in the class, the women will be more receptive to them, and no longer consider them some kind of perv. That's how I would do it I always say here that it's the smart way of doing it. Meetups are great for building a social circle. I used to be a Meetup group organiser and we had the regulars men, women, single, married, etc. the vast majority only turned up to see if they could chat up someone that day. A lot of people can't or won't build rapport and a circle. Just struggle on alone. 1
autumnnight Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 This is exactly why threads like this one get started in the first place. Manson's woman is nice looking and appears to be of a healthy weight. Yet, this forum is filled with struggling dudes who are much better people than old Chuck. First, no matter how outwardly attractive this woman is, she has serious emotional/mental issues if she is interested in Manson. And that is part of the problem. The men complaining do not care what she may be like on the inside; they just want to bang a pretty girl and are mad they can't. If they cared about the women as PEOPLE and not packages they would dismiss the Manson chick. Second, there is maybe a quarter of a percent of women out there who would actually date a murdering prisoner. So using THEM to generalize to all women is just stupid. I'm sorry. It holds zero water. And they can say all they want that they just vent on the internet and are actually really nice to women's faces. That to me is the most disturbing thing of all. You can't fake that kind of venom, so it must be - at some level - what they truly think of women. And yet they are trying to "get" one. Being nice to the face of a woman while expressing such volatile disdain for womankind elsewhere is such a gear shift it almost has a sociopathic feel. 4
toscaroscura Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) This is exactly why threads like this one get started in the first place. Manson's woman is nice looking and appears to be of a healthy weight. Yet, this forum is filled with struggling dudes who are much better people than old Chuck. Again. A woman is assumed to be of good quality simply because of outside appearance. She's dating Manson. I think it can be safely said that she is NOT a good person, and is probably crazy. I mean geez. 1) your picture is beautiful 2) DS9 was AWESOME 3) you're exactly right Thank you. But I have been the "nice girl" whose crushes don't return her feelings more times than I can count. But I don't blame men or fixate on only hot guys, regardless of the train wrecks they are. Edited June 11, 2015 by toscaroscura 3
Robert Z Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Again. A woman is assumed to be of good quality simply because of outside appearance. She's dating Manson. I think it can be safely said that she is NOT a good person, and is probably crazy. I mean geez. Manson aside, she has scary eyes. I see loony when I look at her. I think the point that some men are making here is that a large number of women seem to be attracted to jerks and nuts. And that leaves the average guy just scratching his head. See, that is the problem with women who judge too quickly. Psychotics are confident. Slime bags are confident. Women judging by confidence are like men judging by a good set of boobs. This is where I think the dating scene has completely failed. Men are judged far too quickly and far too harshly. 2
toscaroscura Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Manson aside, she has scary eyes. I see loony when I look at her. I think the point that some men are making here is that a large number of women seem to be attracted to jerks and nuts. And that leaves the average guy just scratching his head. See, that is the problem with women who judge too quickly. Psychotics are confident. Slime bags are confident. Women judging by confidence are like men judging by a good set of boobs. This is where I think the dating scene has completely failed. Men are judged far too quickly and far too harshly. I do agree with you here! Dating is harsh for all, though. It's really not that much different on this side of the fence. I see men wrapped around the fingers of women who give them nothing but grief and drama. I could say "all men love dramatic bishes" but that's a gross generalization and says more about the kind of men I am attracted to than anything else. 2
carhill Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Men who are disrespectful, in general, not just to women, tend to be noticed more because, well, behaviors which contravene society's conventions are more noticeable than those which conform. That women are attracted to these men is a sideshow since women are attracted to all kinds of men. These men are simply more easily noticed. Hence the Charlie example. The quiet accountant from Nebraska, not so much, even though he might get women just as much, or more. 1
Robert Z Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I do agree with you here! Dating is harsh for all, though. It's really not that much different on this side of the fence. I see men wrapped around the fingers of women who give them nothing but grief and drama. I could say "all men love dramatic bishes" but that's a gross generalization and says more about the kind of men I am attracted to than anything else. Yes, we are suckers for beautiful women. But I don't understand anyone liking drama. I've been with women who were gorgeous but got ugly as soon as they opened their mouth. I got so lucky. My sb was not only gorgeous, but never never ANY drama. It was three years of nothing but good. I sure hope there is another one like her out there.
Rejected Rosebud Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 The gist of it is that the men they see having success with women tend to treat them like crap and dont have any respect for them. Even though women don't like to admit it, there is some truth to it. maybe we aren't "admitting" it because we don't have the same idea of what "success with women" is that you guys do??:confused: I mean being a lowlife and playing on the fears of insecure girls in order to "get more" of them seems like success to you I guess but to me it just seems gross. :lmao: I have to laugh, I'd like to see a thread here where a girl talks about how successful she is with men because she manages to get alot of them to have sex with her, it prolly wouldn't go over too well hehe! 1
Rejected Rosebud Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Manson aside, she has scary eyes. I see loony when I look at her. He but she's not fat so she is def "quality" according to alot of these fellows here!! 1
Camaro Guy Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I find it so funny when guys talk about other guys who are "jerks" and how "nice guys" don't get any women. As if that has anything to do with it. In life, there are certain laws we must follow if we are to be successful in that area. If you want to graduate from college, you gain a certain amount of credits. That is the law. If you wish to not get a speeding ticket, you must travel at an appropriate speed limit. That is the law. When it comes to attraction, you must follow the laws of nature. Women by and large are attracted to men who display leadership, confidence, assertiveness, boldness, and independence no matter who they are. A physical display of this would be a noticeable amount of musculature, which is inherently attractive to women due to the aforementioned qualities it displays. That is why men with good bodies are given more "hints" by women. You must remember that civilization is a veneer over our true natures. The desire for sex is at it's root to copulate and further the gene pool. Subconsciously, your desires for sex are to pass on good genes to your ancestors. This manifests itself in a conscious matter with the desire to have sex with physically attractive women. Being a "good man" will certainly enable you to have harmonious relationships with others such as your family and your associates... but it is useless in attracting the opposite sex. That is unless an action that is "good" relates to independence, confidence, or dominance. A guy who stands up for someone in public may make women "swoon", as it displays confidence to stand up and be noticed. A man rescuing someone from a burning building may also make women "swoon" because it demonstrates independence and courage, two traits that are attractive to a wide swath of women. So being a "good" guy means nothing. If I was running a business, I'd want someone who contributed value to my team. I wouldn't care if they were a scumbag. As long as they contributed extraordinary value to my team, I would keep them on. If you're a "nice guy" but you have no skills then what the **** are you wasting my time for? You're dead weight to me. Asking women to not be attracted to men who display confidence, assertiveness, boldness, and other qualities is like asking for gravity to not exist. For birds not to fly. For the sun not to rise in the morning and set in the evening. Why were seducers like Lord Byron so successful? It wasn't because he was "nice". It's because he had value. So do not blame women for this. Blame yourself for this. A woman takes a huge risk by going with a man to her social, sexual, and societal reputation. The only compensation is what he offers her. What value do you offer to women? Why should they be with you? Why should they provide you with love, affection, and sex? If you cannot answer these questions, you must reexamine your worldview. Life is all about value. You must give something to get something. You do not get something for nothing. I'm gonna quote myself again for emphasis.
Robert Z Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 He but she's not fat so she is def "quality" according to alot of these fellows here!! Yes, if she didn't look at me she would be fairly hot.
jen1447 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I think the point that some men are making here is that a large number of women seem to be attracted to jerks and nuts. And that leaves the average guy just scratching his head. I doubt that the head-scratching guys posting here are actually "average guys" IRL tho. No offense but I get the distinct impression they're socially deficient in more ways than one, which is actually most likely the heart of their problem as opposed to perceived or imagined prejudices or foolishness on the part of the women who reject or ignore them. 5
Robert Z Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I'm gonna quote myself again for emphasis. You are alone but lecturing others on how to get a woman? Didn't I see that you have a hard time getting dates?
Emilia Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I'm gonna quote myself again for emphasis. Sort of, what the women in question are attracted to is darkness. That manifests itself in different ways. Some claim it's because they are young, gullible etc but I think more because they have that same kind of darkness. I'd imagine Manson's girlfriend is an example of that, she certainly looks like there is something mentally wrong with her.
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