Eggplant Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 If she has even a small side of narcissism, then the disrespectful treatment is a threat and a wound. In an attempt to fix the wound, she makes it her business to get him to change his mind about her.
lino Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 Yes, they do. Anyone with eyes and a brain (even a small one) can see this. My two friends who are most successful with women (and now married with kids) are also those who have cheated, lied, used and even been violent to a degree with women the most. They also talk about their experiences with women like talking about slaughtering animals. One of them even still cheats on his wife. The world is like this unfortunately
lino Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 In that case, why not just be gay and comfort each other? Then you won't have to worry about us evil people with boobs....oh wait, you want us BECAUSE of the boobs....even though you think we're evil. I just CAN'T figure out why y'all aren't having more success.... These statements are the most useless that can be made when talking to a struggling guy. Have seen them on here from people I wouldn't expect and exposes them as the self righteous, homophobic bigots they are.
elaine567 Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 Life is all about value. You must give something to get something. You do not get something for nothing. ^^^this^^^ Very true. A man who has value can afford to disrespect others, and be horrible to those around him, men and women and still be looked upon as special, as worthwhile, as desirable, as someone to latch onto. Some will run away from him too, but it is a balancing act. The question asked. Is his intrinsic value great enough to put up with the bad aspects of his personality? Sometimes it just is. An actor can be a first grade a&sshole, but if he is a great actor, then everyone tolerates and panders to him to get the movie in the can and the $$$s flowing into the box office. It is the same with dating - a match up between his core value, as a person, as a man, as a partner - and his sometimes sh*tty behaviour. If his sh*tty behaviour exceeds his value to the woman, then he will be dumped. A desperate woman with few options and low self esteem may tolerate a man with a sh*tty attitude, more than a self assured woman with many options will, but it is all down to the balance. One day the balance may change in her head, his value to her degrades and she is outta there. But a man with no value, who tries to emulate such sh*tty behaviour gains no kudos, he was worthless before and now he is just worthless with a bad attitude. 1
Emilia Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 I see plenty of waste of space, alcoholic, selfish guys do very well with women partly because they play the damaged card and partly because they attract similar types of women themselves. You see a pretty girl, she isn't dumb, has a decent job, looks after herself.... she can be just as damaged inside as the alchie rolling around in the gutter. It just shows itself in different ways. I've worked on sales floors over the years, sales guys have the gift of the gab, they also often drink like fish and not short of cash. They aren't particularly bright and they certainly ain't nice. If they wished to be sleeping around, they had no problem achieving that, sometimes with really pretty girls. You can call them worthless or whatever but these boys are a dime a dozen and they do well with women. I would listen to some of the lies while we were out and I would laugh, couldn't believe the ladies were eating up that s**t. Hanging out with that group would make most people disillusioned with human nature, I can tell you that much. Get the wallet out, buy everyone drinks, tell the ladies that you are some kind of prince and/or some damaged guy in need to rescue and you wouldn't be sleeping on your own at night. 1
autumnnight Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 These statements are the most useless that can be made when talking to a struggling guy. Have seen them on here from people I wouldn't expect and exposes them as the self righteous, homophobic bigots they are. No homophobia here. I have zero problem with it. I'm just saying, a lot of the "struggling" men here have disdain for the female gender dripping from every pore. Why would they want to date anyone from a gender they find so unredeemably distasteful. If men are the only human of value, why not date them?
autumnnight Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 That disdain you sense is only coming out due to all the anger they have built up. The first decent looking girl that comes along and gives those struggling guys the time of day will become a princess. I'll be sure to put that girl on my prayer list......Because there's no way she'll live up to the feminine perfection expected. Nor is she likely to be good at WoW
toscaroscura Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 I see plenty of waste of space, alcoholic, selfish guys do very well with women partly because they play the damaged card and partly because they attract similar types of women themselves. You see a pretty girl, she isn't dumb, has a decent job, looks after herself.... she can be just as damaged inside as the alchie rolling around in the gutter. It just shows itself in different ways. I've worked on sales floors over the years, sales guys have the gift of the gab, they also often drink like fish and not short of cash. They aren't particularly bright and they certainly ain't nice. If they wished to be sleeping around, they had no problem achieving that, sometimes with really pretty girls. You can call them worthless or whatever but these boys are a dime a dozen and they do well with women. I would listen to some of the lies while we were out and I would laugh, couldn't believe the ladies were eating up that s**t. Hanging out with that group would make most people disillusioned with human nature, I can tell you that much. Get the wallet out, buy everyone drinks, tell the ladies that you are some kind of prince and/or some damaged guy in need to rescue and you wouldn't be sleeping on your own at night. Exactly. Water seeks its own level. Struggling guys only see the outside. They see a physically beautiful woman with one of these guys, and assume she is a quality woman simply because she is superficially attractive to them (or society at large). Sorry, but many of these women are a**holes too. Much like we women don't see the crass side of players the ways their "bros" do, so too don't men see the bad sides of these women. But their girlfriends/sisters sure do! I remember being an awkward, "ugly" teenage girl, and yes, I crushed on the hot jock too. But in my later years of high school I actually thought about that for a moment. Why do I even WANT that guy? He's a jerk! Look at him, picking on my friends. And we have nothing in common. He'd probably be unable to appreciate Deep Space Nine. So why do you, Sensitive Struggling Nerd Boy, WANT the hot club girl (or whatever) falling for these guys' schticks? 5
toolforgrowth Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Exactly. Water seeks its own level. Struggling guys only see the outside. They see a physically beautiful woman with one of these guys, and assume she is a quality woman simply because she is superficially attractive to them (or society at large). Sorry, but many of these women are a**holes too. Much like we women don't see the crass side of players the ways their "bros" do, so too don't men see the bad sides of these women. But their girlfriends/sisters sure do! I remember being an awkward, "ugly" teenage girl, and yes, I crushed on the hot jock too. But in my later years of high school I actually thought about that for a moment. Why do I even WANT that guy? He's a jerk! Look at him, picking on my friends. And we have nothing in common. He'd probably be unable to appreciate Deep Space Nine. So why do you, Sensitive Struggling Nerd Boy, WANT the hot club girl (or whatever) falling for these guys' schticks? 1) your picture is beautiful 2) DS9 was AWESOME 3) you're exactly right After my divorce, I dated highly beautiful women. And with that came a degree of drama that rivaled what my cheating ex wife put me through. Now I'm with a woman who's not "classically" beautiful (yet still attractive) and treats me better than any other woman ever has. There's so much more to a person than what's on the outside. And often what's on the outside can be a detriment to what's on the inside. This applies to both men and women. 2
ascendotum Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 So why do you, Sensitive Struggling Nerd Boy, WANT the hot club girl (or whatever) falling for these guys' schticks? Hanging out with a few different groups of guys I've see the type that Emilia described except they weren't sales guys (cept 1), but they probably would not have been too bad doing it for a living as they were total BS artists. some because they had learned that way to verbally out piss the other guys when out meeting people, some had deluded over inflated egos, and some for kicks to test out women's self respect. Anyway the point I want to make is -its not just the vapid hot club 'paris hilton lookalike chick that would would lap up their shtick. Sweet girl next door types and sassy smart young professional career women would too. As Emilia said, its a bit disillusioning to see sometimes. 2
AD1980 Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 A lot of a holes are also very outgoing and social which helps attract women..The nicer guy might be too scared to approach the women while the guy who's a jerk might be carefree and approach women with no fear Also if the guys good looking enough some women will put up with his bs
Emilia Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 There's so much more to a person than what's on the outside. And often what's on the outside can be a detriment to what's on the inside. This applies to both men and women. I read an article somewhere about people's dark side, both men and women, and how those with a bigger dose of darkness present themselves in a more alluring, attractive , provocative way. I wish all women understood that some can be this way. It's not betraying the sisterhood, simply understanding that many women want a certain dynamic.
jay1983 Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 It's weird reading this cause I've been on both ends of the spectrum. I've seen it happen and at times I've been one of these guys, not the extreme ass described, but i know i sometimes do get away with stuff cause the way I look.
Rejected Rosebud Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Do you agree? Throughout my life, grade school, high school, and all the years since, I have noticed a trend. The guys that talk disrespectfully about women when with other males, tend to be the ones that get more women than the rest of the guys. Probably because they disrespect women, they are ready to go to any gross lengths to get in their pants and the girls are falling for it. If you really respect women as people you might not be thinking along the lines of "getting more" of them, it's not like a collection of things or something. 2
autumnnight Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Probably because they disrespect women, they are ready to go to any gross lengths to get in their pants and the girls are falling for it. If you really respect women as people you might not be thinking along the lines of "getting more" of them, it's not like a collection of things or something. likelikelike THIS sums it up perfectly. QUALITY men do not see women as baseball cards or a commodity of some kind.
jen1447 Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Can someone summarize what the thrust of this thread is supposed to be? I'm really not getting it (and honestly only skimmed the disabler mentality stuff toward the beginning).
Emilia Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Can someone summarize what the thrust of this thread is supposed to be? I'm really not getting it (and honestly only skimmed the disabler mentality stuff toward the beginning). Why? Try reading it again, why create work for someone just to get attention? It's not that complicated.
autumnnight Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Can someone summarize what the thrust of this thread is supposed to be? I'm really not getting it (and honestly only skimmed the disabler mentality stuff toward the beginning). Here is a translation: Nice guys don't get a chance because all females on the planet sleep with bad boys instead of me. Therefore I am going to treat all women like crap because getting laid is my primary objective. 2
jen1447 Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Ok so the same vein as the many other "woe is me" threads on here lately. Got it, thanks.
Renton Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Therefore I am going to treat all women like crap because getting laid is my primary objective. If there wasn't a market for it, people wouldn't sell it.
GoodOnPaper Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 QUALITY men do not see women as baseball cards or a commodity of some kind. From what I read on LS, the first characteristic of a quality man is that he has options -- no doubt that many of these men have those options because they are successful when they take the commodity approach. A man who can attract ONSs at will but chooses an LTR seems to be considered the ultimate. Therefore, if you can't attract ONSs, you're disqualified right out of the gate. 1
autumnnight Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 If there wasn't a market for it, people wouldn't sell it. There's also a market for herion, child pornography, and snuff fims...doesn't make it right. I guess it depends on whether we want to live our lives based on "what sells" or what is honorable.
autumnnight Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 From what I read on LS, the first characteristic of a quality man is that he has options -- no doubt that many of these men have those options because they are successful when they take the commodity approach. A man who can attract ONSs at will but chooses an LTR seems to be considered the ultimate. Therefore, if you can't attract ONSs, you're disqualified right out of the gate. Yeah, I guess if you're a woman who's impressed by a high body count, this would hold true. I'm not. Hey, it's no skin off my nose. If a guy wants to be with a girl who counts the notches on HER bedpost or prey on a vulnerable girl who will fall for any attention, that's on him. I'm just saying what will have sticking power with a quality woman. If a guy thinks the only way to get out of the D&D club is to lie to women to get laid, that is his problem, not mine.
Renton Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 There's also a market for herion, child pornography, and snuff fims...doesn't make it right. I guess it depends on whether we want to live our lives based on "what sells" or what is honorable. I don't agree with the thread title as unfortunately/fortunately i have to like what i see in the mirror every morning. I do see people who have no shame in what they do and wonder now and again what it would feel like not to have a conscience. 1
autumnnight Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 I don't agree with the thread title as unfortunately/fortunately i have to like what i see in the mirror every morning. I do see people who have no shame in what they do and wonder now and again what it would feel like not to have a conscience. Too true. And it is especially funny when the same people who slink around to get women and who cheer on those who sneak around and lie to get women then talk smack about cheaters or women who have slept with more than 3 men. Hypocrisy is my number 1 pet peeve. 1
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