Men that disrespect women get more women???

[elaine567]

However when it comes to family law, domestic law, and the norms of interpersonal relationships men are at a great disadvantage in the western world.

 

I guess most women receive custody in reality, because most men don't want the responsibility of looking after their own children.

I highly doubt the male dominated judiciary are going to deny men ie their own gender, the rights to kids IF men in general really wanted them.

 

And why are men at a great disadvantage in interpersonal relationships?

[toolforgrowth]

I guess most women receive custody in reality, because most men don't want the responsibility of looking after their own children.

I highly doubt the male dominated judiciary are going to deny men ie their own gender, the rights to kids IF men in general really wanted them.

 

And why are men at a great disadvantage in interpersonal relationships?

 

You'd be surprised. In my state there are many female judges. I had to fight tooth and nail just to get 35% time with my daughter on paper.

 

And your assertion is incorrect. I want time with my daughter. Believe it or not, most guys do. Saying men don't want the responsibility of looking after their kids would be like me saying women want to be housewives because they don't want the responsibility of looking after themselves. Neither is true and does nothing to bridge the gaps between the genders.

[BlueIris]

IME, it's more men who abide no disrespect from women who get more women.

 

This is it right here, folks...

 

And I think a lot of guys confuse "abuse" with not wanting to be a doormat or someone who has his head buried up his gf's ass...

 

I think also, "Alpha" type of men, are generally not weak or overly patronizing to women...So, other guys view that as douche bag behavior...even though most of the time its not...

 

TFY

 

I agree.

 

Men who are disrespectful to women might attract SOME women initially, but few women stay with them for long and even those that might for a while will probably leave at some point.

 

I’d guess that men who don’t respect women, or the woman they’re with, don’t care if a particular woman stays or not, except to the extent that her leaving bruises his ego or reveals his lack of control over her. And I’d guess the same is true for women who don’t respect men.

 

People with self-respect aren’t attracted to people who are not respectful, at least in the long run.

 

As to the family courts, it is very rare for a good and available parent to not get shared custody and substantial parenting time. I'd say that generally combative mud-slingers make judges annoyed. You can almost always tell who those parents will be when they look at the "Best Interests" list and obsess over how the other parent fails rather than whether they themselves are doing well. William Eddy calls them HCI's- High Conflict Individuals. They bicker and fight over darn near everything, see in black and white, are always faultless victims, and live with their fingers pointed. They seal their own fate in family court.

[autumnnight]

Mens rights activist are no more evil than womens rights activist were /are. Some of them are extreme but most just want to ensure fair treatment. In the real of equal pay and the corporate world men are at a disadvantage.

 

However when it comes to family law, domestic law, and the norms of interpersonal relationships men are at a great disadvantage in the western world.

 

I should have specified I mean the MRA groups and forums that are blatantly hateful, that make jokes about rape, that call for things I cannot even say and not get moderated. THOSE groups are every bit as bad as the armpit hair, fish/bicycle, man-hating pseudo-feminists.

[StanMusial]

I think a lot of people get it backwards. Some guys disrespect women because they get more women. Not the other way around.

[Mrlonelyone]

I think a lot of people get it backwards. Some guys disrespect women because they get more women. Not the other way around.

 

Who can blame them. The guys that gest the most women likely get women who are dating/in an LTR with/ married to other men. If a man sees great girlfriends and loving wives in his bed how can he not think bad things about women?

[autumnnight]

Who can blame them. The guys that gest the most women likely get women who are dating/in an LTR with/ married to other men. If a man sees great girlfriends and loving wives in his bed how can he not think bad things about women?

 

 

Hmmmm....okay

[calvincline47]

Do you agree?

 

Throughout my life, grade school, high school, and all the years since, I have noticed a trend. The guys that talk disrespectfully about women when with other males, tend to be the ones that get more women than the rest of the guys.

 

These are the guys that if you are riding in the car with them, or walking in a store, and they see an attractive woman, they always make a huge ordeal out of it, explaining in detail to me and other guys if they are present what position he would bang her, and how she would absolutely love it. They usually tend to be married as well, or have a girlfriend, yet they always have women on the side. They talk negatively about their wives or girlfriends, yet as soon as a woman is present, they flip the switch and turn on the charm.

 

How come women tend to be attracted to these types of guys so much? Its all a fake front just to either get in the womans pants, or get her to think he's a cool, suave guy.

 

Obviously women dont see the negative disrespectful side that I see of these types of guys, but I just dont understand after years and years of dealing with guys and their bs, how women still dont realize that its all an act????

 

Disrespecting and objectifying women in your own mind (and among your friends) works very well.

 

Being disrespectful to their face generally does not play out very well. It's very important to feel the discontent, but hide it well.

[autumnnight]

Disrespecting and objectifying women in your own mind (and among your friends) works very well.

 

Being disrespectful to their face generally does not play out very well. It's very important to feel the discontent, but hide it well.

 

Yes, as long as you hate them in secret so that you can still use their bodies, you're golden....

[calvincline47]

Who can blame them. The guys that gest the most women likely get women who are dating/in an LTR with/ married to other men. If a man sees great girlfriends and loving wives in his bed how can he not think bad things about women?

 

Yeah, definitely true. There are so many married women out there that are willing to cheat on their husbands and then lie about it. How can any of them be trusted?

 

From what I understand, it's a total role reversal from the way things used to be.

[BronzeAgeJaeger217]

Women don't like disrespect but deep down even most feminists are attracted to guys who respect themselves. They are not into the neutered men who live life as if they are apologizing for being born with a penis.

 

What are examples of a guy apologizing for having a penis?

[Phoe]

Yes, as long as you hate them in secret so that you can still use their bodies, you're golden....

 

Heh, well, us women suck. All of us. We suck. And those men who know we suck? Well, they're really smart, and we appreciate that they noticed how much we suck. It's highly attractive!

[dreamingoftigers]

Yeah, definitely true. There are so many married women out there that are willing to cheat on their husbands and then lie about it. How can any of them be trusted?

 

From what I understand, it's a total role reversal from the way things used to be.

 

I have felt before the same way about men.

 

Now I realize that about 50% of the population is fairly dysfunctional.

 

So there definitely are trustworthy men and women.

 

They just happen to be married to someone else.

[Male]

Disrespecting and objectifying women in your own mind (and among your friends) works very well.

 

Being disrespectful to their face generally does not play out very well. It's very important to feel the discontent, but hide it well.

 

 

I'm not talking about being disrespectful to their face. I'm talking about guys that have no respect for women in general.

 

I dont think I got my point across from the start. Because this thread has gone off on 10 different roads since it started.

 

Many guys see women as nothing more than a sex object. Period. They see them as a device to use and get them off. These guys show their true colors when they are with their friends, talking down about women, degrading women about driving, jobs, being too stupid, etc etc.

 

BUT......as soon as a woman they find attractive, want attention from, or want to sleep with is in within earshot, they turn on the charm, and do and say whatever is needed to fulfill their agenda.

 

Thats what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about the spineless guys that talk tough, and then as soon as their woman shows up he kisses her ass.

 

I'm talking about the player types. The guys that use women. Those guys have no respect for women at all. Yet women tend to flock to them.

 

Why do women flock to guys like that?? Are most women really that blind to the fakeness? Or are there just a lot of really insecure women that crave attention so much that they will take it from the jerk/player type rather than go without??

[Hawaii51]

Why do women flock to guys like that?? Are most women really that blind to the fakeness? Or are there just a lot of really insecure women that crave attention so much that they will take it from the jerk/player type rather than go without??

 

Tough titty said the kitty be she got milk, or something.

If you're looking to get laid- play the game. if you're looking for a relationship- play the game, If you're looking to whine... well you have to play the game alone cause no body like a whiner, and I don't think they're going to socialize pussy anytime soon.

 

>>generally speaking<<Women want fun, to laugh and be a little unsure and what is going to happen next. What is so difficult to handle about this?

 

The portion of guys you're talking about, and actually pull it off, is smaller than you think. The portion of guys trying to be that guy is what what you're talking about. Yes, they're douchebags and are usually annoying

 

But seriously, I want to know.. Why do you care so much?

[dreamingoftigers]

I'm not talking about being disrespectful to their face. I'm talking about guys that have no respect for women in general.

 

I dont think I got my point across from the start. Because this thread has gone off on 10 different roads since it started.

 

Many guys see women as nothing more than a sex object. Period. They see them as a device to use and get them off. These guys show their true colors when they are with their friends, talking down about women, degrading women about driving, jobs, being too stupid, etc etc.

 

BUT......as soon as a woman they find attractive, want attention from, or want to sleep with is in within earshot, they turn on the charm, and do and say whatever is needed to fulfill their agenda.

 

Thats what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about the spineless guys that talk tough, and then as soon as their woman shows up he kisses her ass.

 

I'm talking about the player types. The guys that use women. Those guys have no respect for women at all. Yet women tend to flock to them.

 

Why do women flock to guys like that?? Are most women really that blind to the fakeness? Or are there just a lot of really insecure women that crave attention so much that they will take it from the jerk/player type rather than go without??

 

Narcissism.

 

Generally narcissists are pretty good at identifying their targets and laser-focusing on them.

[bachdude]

I'm not talking about being disrespectful to their face. I'm talking about guys that have no respect for women in general.

 

I dont think I got my point across from the start. Because this thread has gone off on 10 different roads since it started.

 

Many guys see women as nothing more than a sex object. Period. They see them as a device to use and get them off. These guys show their true colors when they are with their friends, talking down about women, degrading women about driving, jobs, being too stupid, etc etc.

 

BUT......as soon as a woman they find attractive, want attention from, or want to sleep with is in within earshot, they turn on the charm, and do and say whatever is needed to fulfill their agenda.

 

Thats what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about the spineless guys that talk tough, and then as soon as their woman shows up he kisses her ass.

 

I'm talking about the player types. The guys that use women. Those guys have no respect for women at all. Yet women tend to flock to them.

 

Why do women flock to guys like that?? Are most women really that blind to the fakeness? Or are there just a lot of really insecure women that crave attention so much that they will take it from the jerk/player type rather than go without??

 

You've kind of answered your own question. Women flock to them because they turn on the charm. They often are good looking and they have an innate sense of what women want. They are talented with women. They know how to make them laugh, and give them what they want. They know what attracts women to men and the put on a great show. Often they combine their good looks, charm, loads of confidence, fake kindheartedness, mixed with a little bad boy. They use these skills to either get attention or get sex or both. They may be a narcissist or they may just want to get a women in bed. It can be very difficult to see through them or women ignore their gut and still are still drawn to them. Or others just want a one night stand too and don't care if it's an act.

 

I mean, this question has been out there a long time. What makes A Don Juan a Don Juan? How does he do what he does? The've written operas about him (Mozart's Don Giovanni), Symphonic Tone Poems (Strauss' Don Juan) and there are many other versions of the story. It's just a phenomena that's been around a long time, and guys will always ask how and why? Don Juans are just exceeding well at attracting women, and they leave a lot of hurt in their wake.

 

I love jazz. Here are a couple lyrics from jazz tunes...

 

From Lost Mind

 

Words would fail me if I tried to describe him

Though I know he's not what he should have been

He was the Devil with face of angel

He was cruel and sweet, sweet and cruel as homemade sin

 

If you could be so kind

To help me find my mind

I'd like to thank you in advance

Know this before you start

My soul's been torn apart

I lost my mind in a wild romance

 

And for a little twist, here's one about a woman doing the same thing. Players can exist on both sides!

 

A Frank Sinatra Song,

 

I Could Have Told You

 

I could have told you she'd hurt you

She'd love you a while then desert you

If only you asked

I could have told you so

 

I could have saved you some crying

Yes, I could have told you she's lying

But you were in love

And didn't want to know

 

I hear her now

As I toss and turn and try to sleep

I hear her now

Making promises she'll never keep

 

And soon it's over and done with

She'll find someone new to have fun with

Through all of my tears

I could have told you so

[elaine567]

I'm talking about the player types. The guys that use women. Those guys have no respect for women at all. Yet women tend to flock to them.

 

Why do women flock to guys like that?? Are most women really that blind to the fakeness? Or are there just a lot of really insecure women that crave attention so much that they will take it from the jerk/player type rather than go without??

 

In the same way that men flock to "no-good" women.

Other women can usually suss out when a woman is fake and when a woman is just using men - she may even be proud of the fact - but along come men, who are putty in her hands.

They put up with her tantrums, her drama, her lying, her cheating, etc. They put her on a pedestal, and weave their own fantasy story around her.

It is the "player" equivalent.

Good, decent, stable, kind hearted women cannot understand why men are so stupid as to fall for it, but they do in droves.

 

The fact is that those "player" men and women are master manipulators and they usually offer a package deal that is irresistible to the opposite sex.

They know how to play people for their own ends, they are experts at it.

Some are extremely clever and can fool even the most switched on and intelligent person, and some just prey on the naive, the weak, the damaged, the helpless and the stupid.

[Ninjainpajamas]

In the same way that men flock to "no-good" women.

 

With just this sentence alone...it seems like an argument to equalize the situation, by adding some kind of counter-balance to the system to make it all "fair". After all, you hardly hear any women speaking negatively about women in their actions on LS or in any particular way in general...unless of course it's to frame it in a context where the men are doing the same thing as well, kind of thing.

 

It's like a backwards feminism, it's justifying negative behavior or even recognizing it for a moment...however only to make a particular point and the negative behavior itself is more swept under the rug quickly, only recognizable through a small moment.

 

Other women can usually suss out when a woman is fake and when a woman is just using men - she may even be proud of the fact - but along come men, who are putty in her hands.

They put up with her tantrums, her drama, her lying, her cheating, etc. They put her on a pedestal, and weave their own fantasy story around her.

It is the "player" equivalent.

Good, decent, stable, kind hearted women cannot understand why men are so stupid as to fall for it, but they do in droves.

 

I don't see a lot of men being putty in a woman's hands, unless that man is in particular vulnerable.

 

The other difference as well is, that men are pretty vocal...and will harass and give a kind of tough love to men/friends.

 

So the guy who've I've known that did put up with bad behavior with women...were usually very gullible, over all weak/passive, and the kind of guy that a lot of other guys wouldn't respect themselves...because that's how the male social system works in itself. If you do something quite stupid, your friends/acquaintances don't stay to stay quiet about it and be supportive, they usually straight out put these guys down for their behavior.

 

So in a way, these are the type of guys that are in a bit at the bottom of the barrel...contrast that to the women that male players can manipulate, and it's from all walks of life, all types of women.

 

A "Player" male, will use whatever kind of woman he desires...smart, dumb, rich, poor, old, young...doesn't matter, and then at the end, select the one in which he chooses. Because these men have options, there's not this great "consequence" that occurs for these men, there is no karma in that respect, the karma from men is them making their own stupid decisions and causing themselves the trouble...but many of the biggest players end up with the nicest women, not just in looks and behavior as well, they seek and attain "quality" women.

 

A female "Player" can achieve a lot, don't get me wrong but that is usually with a certain type of gullible man. And she tends to be more cut-throat, careless and desensitized/disconnected in general...she manipulates men but also her family and other people in her life...from what I've seen. She tries to manipulate life, in order to provide her with a comfort or void, a sense of self-worth and validation.

 

It just comes from a whole different place within men and women, it's not like women and men are the same except for their body parts.

 

The fact is that those "player" men and women are master manipulators and they usually offer a package deal that is irresistible to the opposite sex.

They know how to play people for their own ends, they are experts at it.

Some are extremely clever and can fool even the most switched on and intelligent person, and some just prey on the naive, the weak, the damaged, the helpless and the stupid.

 

The balance in the dating world is a great example of how things differ between men and women.

 

Have a woman sign up to a dating site, and she'll have a full inbox by the end of the week (average looking woman, average weight).

 

Take the same man, put him on a dating site...he might have 10 messages if he's lucky by the end of the week. Hell, make him good looking on top of it and a career that women will get excited about, and yet still...nothing ever compared to what the average woman would receive.

 

So for a man to be manipulative, to a "player"...he's got a hell of a up hill climb and competition is stiff. He's not only got to compete with your attention among many others, he's got to get through the constant pecking and distraction of other men coming into your view. Combine that with sometimes women's ridiculous and unrealistic expectations...he's really got to put on a show in order to get even get her to look in his direction or catch her attention.

 

Women can't even imagine the difference...I just think women in general will just never know what invisible is, or the struggles of men in terms of attracting the opposite sex. It's like saying you are starving in your nice cozy home where you can go down the street and buy something from the store or a fast food place. And then being stuck in the desert for 3 to 5 days without eating. The perception is completely different, even the bottom bottom women get more attention or even often as much as decent looking average guys.

 

So you tell me who's got to be the real "player"? the girl who can simply choose and date men she decides to date, taking advantage of already inbalanced system that is heavily in her favor. She doesn't have to learn anything other than to lie and put on a cute innocent face, and then just simply stroke the guys ego and ask for things or setup to gain things from specific men.

 

I mean, why would even a woman desire to become a player? when she can date when she wants?..Oh, because you can't date WHO you want? How many guys do you think actually date women they REALLY want? they don't have the options...beggars can't be choosers.

 

That's why the damn fools stick to a woman that you're describing above, that is manipulative, with drama and the like...because chances are he doesn't have a damn choice, she's probably the best looking woman he can get...and yes, men are visual so it does count for a lot, if not for THAT guy...almost everything, and he is infatuated with her.

 

At the end of the day, women can take advantage of men...and not even get in trouble for it. Not even have it recognized really...I mean who? who notices when a woman does anything bad? how often do we hear about male players and the like? and a constant critique of men in just about every facet, from looks, height, to a magic combination of personality qualities...which you'll never guess which guys seem to have them all!

 

Women are destroying the men of today, whom are constantly made to feel bad and inadequate in one way or another...like from actual magazine, unlike women who blame "media" and this and that for basically not being able to be fat.

 

And the only guys who are actually thriving in this kind of system...are the players. And then you wonder why men online act like they do and behave how they do with women...even if they respected women before, after seeing the kind of guys they date/sleep with, they lose all respect...they start whining and crying about it because it's like watching a murder to them and yet the women actually defend the players and criticize the average guy again, for being inadequate and crying about the inbalance.

 

I guess women don't see how they perpetuate their own situation. It is women who gravitate and are attracted to men overwhelmingly so that demonstrate negative behavior, and this is easy for men to recognize and interpret because they know the kind of people those men are, and it's easy as a man to see which guys do well and the other majority who does not, it's easy to see what is working and it's never good.

 

This will be a never-ending argument though...you got mostly men on one side who are mostly spectators although they can see what is going on still viewing things from an outside perspective rather than real experience and still a bit mesmerized and puzzled by how these guys actually do it...and then on the other hand, you have women, whom know nearly nothing about men until they're like 40, in which the players mostly don't give a damn about anyway..at least it's not the key target group of women in their 20's.

 

In order to bring women up to speed on men, let alone the "elite" group of guys who get women at will...you'd need like an actual class, like a school training program. And honestly, at the end of the day I don't even know how much that would even help, men will always have to stay ahead of the game...those who do and excel at it, will still do it in spite of the odds being against them, they'll figure out a way and women will be trailing behind...really subjecting the average guy to humiliation and insult than the actual guys doing the damage...because if you think a guy who knows how to get in a woman's pants is going to sit around here and type to women all day with no prospect of vagina at the end of the day, you're crazy...I'm the only one crazy and stupid enough to waste my own time trying to explain to people how things work on the "other side", because it's like people are stuck at Step 1, they can't even get around the "acceptance" part to actually learn something.

[autumnnight]

In that case, why not just be gay and comfort each other? Then you won't have to worry about us evil people with boobs....oh wait, you want us BECAUSE of the boobs....even though you think we're evil.

 

I just CAN'T figure out why y'all aren't having more success....

[Mrlonelyone]

In that case, why not just be gay and comfort each other? Then you won't have to worry about us evil people with boobs....oh wait, you want us BECAUSE of the boobs....even though you think we're evil.

 

I just CAN'T figure out why y'all aren't having more success....

 

Actually many of the people here have more success than average.

We all get dates and have relationships then vent here. Here we can say what hurts us anonymously.

[Male]

With just this sentence alone...it seems like an argument to equalize the situation, by adding some kind of counter-balance to the system to make it all "fair". After all, you hardly hear any women speaking negatively about women in their actions on LS or in any particular way in general...unless of course it's to frame it in a context where the men are doing the same thing as well, kind of thing.

 

It's like a backwards feminism, it's justifying negative behavior or even recognizing it for a moment...however only to make a particular point and the negative behavior itself is more swept under the rug quickly, only recognizable through a small moment.

 

 

 

I don't see a lot of men being putty in a woman's hands, unless that man is in particular vulnerable.

 

The other difference as well is, that men are pretty vocal...and will harass and give a kind of tough love to men/friends.

 

So the guy who've I've known that did put up with bad behavior with women...were usually very gullible, over all weak/passive, and the kind of guy that a lot of other guys wouldn't respect themselves...because that's how the male social system works in itself. If you do something quite stupid, your friends/acquaintances don't stay to stay quiet about it and be supportive, they usually straight out put these guys down for their behavior.

 

So in a way, these are the type of guys that are in a bit at the bottom of the barrel...contrast that to the women that male players can manipulate, and it's from all walks of life, all types of women.

 

A "Player" male, will use whatever kind of woman he desires...smart, dumb, rich, poor, old, young...doesn't matter, and then at the end, select the one in which he chooses. Because these men have options, there's not this great "consequence" that occurs for these men, there is no karma in that respect, the karma from men is them making their own stupid decisions and causing themselves the trouble...but many of the biggest players end up with the nicest women, not just in looks and behavior as well, they seek and attain "quality" women.

 

A female "Player" can achieve a lot, don't get me wrong but that is usually with a certain type of gullible man. And she tends to be more cut-throat, careless and desensitized/disconnected in general...she manipulates men but also her family and other people in her life...from what I've seen. She tries to manipulate life, in order to provide her with a comfort or void, a sense of self-worth and validation.

 

It just comes from a whole different place within men and women, it's not like women and men are the same except for their body parts.

 

 

 

The balance in the dating world is a great example of how things differ between men and women.

 

Have a woman sign up to a dating site, and she'll have a full inbox by the end of the week (average looking woman, average weight).

 

Take the same man, put him on a dating site...he might have 10 messages if he's lucky by the end of the week. Hell, make him good looking on top of it and a career that women will get excited about, and yet still...nothing ever compared to what the average woman would receive.

 

So for a man to be manipulative, to a "player"...he's got a hell of a up hill climb and competition is stiff. He's not only got to compete with your attention among many others, he's got to get through the constant pecking and distraction of other men coming into your view. Combine that with sometimes women's ridiculous and unrealistic expectations...he's really got to put on a show in order to get even get her to look in his direction or catch her attention.

 

Women can't even imagine the difference...I just think women in general will just never know what invisible is, or the struggles of men in terms of attracting the opposite sex. It's like saying you are starving in your nice cozy home where you can go down the street and buy something from the store or a fast food place. And then being stuck in the desert for 3 to 5 days without eating. The perception is completely different, even the bottom bottom women get more attention or even often as much as decent looking average guys.

 

So you tell me who's got to be the real "player"? the girl who can simply choose and date men she decides to date, taking advantage of already inbalanced system that is heavily in her favor. She doesn't have to learn anything other than to lie and put on a cute innocent face, and then just simply stroke the guys ego and ask for things or setup to gain things from specific men.

 

I mean, why would even a woman desire to become a player? when she can date when she wants?..Oh, because you can't date WHO you want? How many guys do you think actually date women they REALLY want? they don't have the options...beggars can't be choosers.

 

That's why the damn fools stick to a woman that you're describing above, that is manipulative, with drama and the like...because chances are he doesn't have a damn choice, she's probably the best looking woman he can get...and yes, men are visual so it does count for a lot, if not for THAT guy...almost everything, and he is infatuated with her.

 

At the end of the day, women can take advantage of men...and not even get in trouble for it. Not even have it recognized really...I mean who? who notices when a woman does anything bad? how often do we hear about male players and the like? and a constant critique of men in just about every facet, from looks, height, to a magic combination of personality qualities...which you'll never guess which guys seem to have them all!

 

Women are destroying the men of today, whom are constantly made to feel bad and inadequate in one way or another...like from actual magazine, unlike women who blame "media" and this and that for basically not being able to be fat.

 

And the only guys who are actually thriving in this kind of system...are the players. And then you wonder why men online act like they do and behave how they do with women...even if they respected women before, after seeing the kind of guys they date/sleep with, they lose all respect...they start whining and crying about it because it's like watching a murder to them and yet the women actually defend the players and criticize the average guy again, for being inadequate and crying about the inbalance.

 

I guess women don't see how they perpetuate their own situation. It is women who gravitate and are attracted to men overwhelmingly so that demonstrate negative behavior, and this is easy for men to recognize and interpret because they know the kind of people those men are, and it's easy as a man to see which guys do well and the other majority who does not, it's easy to see what is working and it's never good.

 

This will be a never-ending argument though...you got mostly men on one side who are mostly spectators although they can see what is going on still viewing things from an outside perspective rather than real experience and still a bit mesmerized and puzzled by how these guys actually do it...and then on the other hand, you have women, whom know nearly nothing about men until they're like 40, in which the players mostly don't give a damn about anyway..at least it's not the key target group of women in their 20's.

 

In order to bring women up to speed on men, let alone the "elite" group of guys who get women at will...you'd need like an actual class, like a school training program. And honestly, at the end of the day I don't even know how much that would even help, men will always have to stay ahead of the game...those who do and excel at it, will still do it in spite of the odds being against them, they'll figure out a way and women will be trailing behind...really subjecting the average guy to humiliation and insult than the actual guys doing the damage...because if you think a guy who knows how to get in a woman's pants is going to sit around here and type to women all day with no prospect of vagina at the end of the day, you're crazy...I'm the only one crazy and stupid enough to waste my own time trying to explain to people how things work on the "other side", because it's like people are stuck at Step 1, they can't even get around the "acceptance" part to actually learn something.

 

 

Agreed 100%

 

And the reason I agree is because I see things unbiasedly. But majority of women will NEVER admit to any of what Ninja wrote(even if they agree with it).

 

I am lucky enough however to know a few women personally that do agree with what Ninja wrote. Because they dont subscribe to the "women are always right, and dont ever agree with men" agenda that many women live by. The women I know are downright ashamed by the actions of many women nowadays. They do not defend women just because they are the same gender. They look at things from an unbiased view and call it like they see it.

[toolforgrowth]

Agreed 100%

 

And the reason I agree is because I see things unbiasedly. But majority of women will NEVER admit to any of what Ninja wrote(even if they agree with it).

 

I am lucky enough however to know a few women personally that do agree with what Ninja wrote. Because they dont subscribe to the "women are always right, and dont ever agree with men" agenda that many women live by. The women I know are downright ashamed by the actions of many women nowadays. They do not defend women just because they are the same gender. They look at things from an unbiased view and call it like they see it.

 

There are a few reasonable women here on LS, but if you head over to the Dating section, you'll find prime examples of the type of women ninja is talking about.

 

Here's what I think the difference is between male players and males who struggle: those who struggle place women on a pedestal. If they aren't idolizing their partner, then they're viewing women as some magical, unattainable creature around which they need to devote their entire life.

 

You have to reprogram your brain into no longer thinking that way.

 

Women are people; flawed, imperfect, fallible people. They have issues. They mess up. They do stupid things. That have ridiculous opinions. They have an inflated sense of self. They market themselves at a far too high of value than what they are actually worth.

 

The issue is that struggling men BUY IT.

 

I can't tell you how many times I've admired a pretty lady, only to be completely disgusted when she opens her mouth or behaves like a cretin.

 

You know what? Guys do the same thing. We do. We are also flawed, imperfect people.

 

The difference is we have the intellectual honesty to admit it. They've been spoon fed feminist Crap for so long that they firmly believe the world should bend to their whims. They are literally incapable of believing otherwise. Why do you think they despise MRA's so much? It's the very antithesis to what they have been indoctrinated to believe. Men have value?? Since when?? And that value is just as great as ours?? Whaaaat???

 

In your case, the issue is that you don't believe that YOU have any value, as a human and most especially as a man. You have to reprogram YOURSELF.

 

Look, I don't give rat's a$$ what any woman thinks of me. I am who I am. You don't like it? No skin off my back. I wasn't placed on this world to make your life easier. It's not my job, nor any other man's. ESPECIALLY not yours.

[Zing]

Basically, it's a combination of the "Women are wonderful effect " (Men pedestalising women) and Solipsism; Women only see how dating and relationship dynamics affect them and automatically assume that it is similar for Men. When, in reality, it it is drastically different. Just a bit disconcerting given women are supposedly the empathetic gender.

 

The sad truth is that at the moment dating is often not worth the loss of time, money and effort.

 

Biology and Sexual Selection is a cruel c**t.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Zing

[Camaro Guy]

I find it so funny when guys talk about other guys who are "jerks" and how "nice guys" don't get any women. As if that has anything to do with it. In life, there are certain laws we must follow if we are to be successful in that area. If you want to graduate from college, you gain a certain amount of credits. That is the law. If you wish to not get a speeding ticket, you must travel at an appropriate speed limit. That is the law.

 

When it comes to attraction, you must follow the laws of nature. Women by and large are attracted to men who display leadership, confidence, assertiveness, boldness, and independence no matter who they are. A physical display of this would be a noticeable amount of musculature, which is inherently attractive to women due to the aforementioned qualities it displays. That is why men with good bodies are given more "hints" by women.

 

You must remember that civilization is a veneer over our true natures. The desire for sex is at it's root to copulate and further the gene pool. Subconsciously, your desires for sex are to pass on good genes to your ancestors. This manifests itself in a conscious matter with the desire to have sex with physically attractive women.

 

Being a "good man" will certainly enable you to have harmonious relationships with others such as your family and your associates... but it is useless in attracting the opposite sex. That is unless an action that is "good" relates to independence, confidence, or dominance. A guy who stands up for someone in public may make women "swoon", as it displays confidence to stand up and be noticed. A man rescuing someone from a burning building may also make women "swoon" because it demonstrates independence and courage, two traits that are attractive to a wide swath of women.

 

So being a "good" guy means nothing.

 

If I was running a business, I'd want someone who contributed value to my team. I wouldn't care if they were a scumbag. As long as they contributed extraordinary value to my team, I would keep them on. If you're a "nice guy" but you have no skills then what the **** are you wasting my time for? You're dead weight to me.

 

Asking women to not be attracted to men who display confidence, assertiveness, boldness, and other qualities is like asking for gravity to not exist. For birds not to fly. For the sun not to rise in the morning and set in the evening. Why were seducers like Lord Byron so successful? It wasn't because he was "nice". It's because he had value.

 

So do not blame women for this. Blame yourself for this. A woman takes a huge risk by going with a man to her social, sexual, and societal reputation. The only compensation is what he offers her. What value do you offer to women? Why should they be with you? Why should they provide you with love, affection, and sex? If you cannot answer these questions, you must reexamine your worldview.

 

Life is all about value. You must give something to get something. You do not get something for nothing.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Camaro Guy