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Just follow your own instincts. If something seems off, your boyfriend has opportunity to cheat and he doesn't answer his phone, he suddenly can't get hard even though you haven't had sex in a bit, or whatever then I'd look into it. But guys are always looking to f over other guys when it comes to women. =/ No such thing as a male friend in that department. I wouldn't put too much faith in what he says.

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I have been this guy and been in this exact relationship and i'm telling you right now he's 100% interested in other girls and has/is most likely sleeping with others. His behavior as you're describing it mimicks mine to a tee, you might aswell have been describing me a while ago. Trust your gut because it's right here. The guy who told you he wasn't serious about you has zero reason or motive to lie to you. If after a year you don't know how he feels about you, he's using you and isn't serious. This relationship is not the one you think it is, you're not gonna "change" him and this behavior won't stop. If he's not serious about you now, he never was and he never will be unless you do something about it (i.e., confront him and tell him you need commitment or you're done). Even then he's just gonna lie to you and tell you what you want to hear. Sorry, there is no changing guys like this until you walk and they realize what they've lost and the damage they've caused, but by then it's too late. He (and i suppose myself:mad:) will always be looking for the next piece of ass that interests him.

 

Can I ask if any woman has gotten you to commit before? Is it the urge for variety that makes you want to also have others on the side?

 

Id also add that you are most likely triggerng his poor behaivior by being too convenient for him. I think player types can commit, but only to women they hold in extremely high regard and usually not for long. if you are spending every day together, always going over to his place, helping him out with his business, and making few demands to clarify the relationship, its likely he views you as too easy to deserve his commitment.

 

I know thats harsh, but thats why I recommend staying away from guys like that.

 

Yeah...Sometimes I've wondered if he's with me because I'm convenient and easy to manipulate.

 

Friends DO NOT betray each other like that!!!

 

So what else? Being outgoing and gregarious and talking to girls at parties isn't enough as that's his nature - my boyfriend is the exact same and doesn't cheat.

 

Your boyfriend spends all his free time with you, is good to you, you have a ball together, and great sex.

 

But keep your eyes open and pay attention for any red flags YOU see.

 

JMO guys!!!! :)

 

I'm really confused now LOL. He is a gregarious guy, but should the flirty emails and texts with exes and other girls be a red flag? I understand flirting in person, but eventually also have their numbers and email addresses...That's the evidence I have. And him always being on his cell phone. Along with my original gut suspicion, but I don't know if those are actual gut impulses or trust issues on my end.

 

Yes the sex is great, we spend a lot of time together. The sex feels so intimate and we cuddle all night but sometimes in the morning it's like a switch gets shut off and he's back to work. He'll just get up and go to the shower and we work on his business, go out to eat or watch a movie the rest of the day. With cuddling in between. So I don't know...I just felt a kind of distance.

 

I'm just scared that I like him too much to see through all these possible red flags waving at me. :(

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Can I ask if any woman has gotten you to commit before? Is it the urge for variety that makes you want to also have others on the side?

 

 

 

Yeah...Sometimes I've wondered if he's with me because I'm convenient and easy to manipulate.

 

 

 

I'm really confused now LOL. He is a gregarious guy, but should the flirty emails and texts with exes and other girls be a red flag? I understand flirting in person, but eventually also have their numbers and email addresses...That's the evidence I have. And him always being on his cell phone.

 

**Along with my original gut suspicion,** but I don't know if those are actual gut impulses or trust issues on my end.

 

Yes the sex is great, we spend a lot of time together. The sex feels so intimate and we cuddle all night but sometimes in the morning it's like a switch gets shut off and he's back to work. He'll just get up and go to the shower and we work on his business, go out to eat or watch a movie the rest of the day. With cuddling in between. So I don't know...I just felt a kind of distance.

 

I'm just scared that I like him too much to see through all these possible red flags waving at me. :(

 

OP, follow YOUR own gut! Never mind what his "friend" told you, just go by your own instincts.

 

Do you trust him or not?

 

I was under the impression you did, but now I suspect you don't.

 

If you DON't trust him, then you need to move on. A relationship with little to no trust will NOT work, no matter how into him you are.

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Based on your own intuition and his past history and his response, seems your boyfriend is shady. Are you even sure he is your boyfriend? If things don't add up, then something is up! You said you guys hang out every day? But does he take you out on dates?

 

Some people date someone for awhile based on convenience, so it doesn't necessarily mean he loves you.

 

Sounds like he is using you...something sounds off about him...

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Easy solution OP.

 

Ask him about the future, moving in together, getting married; etc. You two have been seeing each other for about a year, yes? He's starting his own business? Great time to make it a family business. :)

 

His response will tell you how serious he is about you and your relationship. If after the conversation he feel hesitant or uneasy, or you feel he's stringing you along, then you'll know he's not serious about committing to you and at that point it won't really matter if he's been seeing other women.

 

If you're nervous about scaring him off and think you already know how the conversation will go then he is 100% pulling the strings in the relationship and that may not change.

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Easy solution OP.

 

Ask him about the future, moving in together, getting married; etc. You two have been seeing each other for about a year, yes? He's starting his own business? Great time to make it a family business. :)

 

His response will tell you how serious he is about you and your relationship. If after the conversation he feel hesitant or uneasy, or you feel he's stringing you along, then you'll know he's not serious about committing to you and at that point it won't really matter if he's been seeing other women.

 

If you're nervous about scaring him off and think you already know how the conversation will go then he is 100% pulling the strings in the relationship and that may not change.

 

He has been out of town on business but comes back tomorrow so I will bring up a commitment talk. Isn't it too early to ask about marriage and family? I honestly don't think he's ready to settle down right now in the present.

 

Based on your own intuition and his past history and his response, seems your boyfriend is shady. Are you even sure he is your boyfriend? If things don't add up, then something is up! You said you guys hang out every day? But does he take you out on dates?

 

Some people date someone for awhile based on convenience, so it doesn't necessarily mean he loves you.

 

Sounds like he is using you...something sounds off about him...

 

Do men usually stay with women for convenience? How long can a "convenient" relationship last? :eek:

 

OP, follow YOUR own gut! Never mind what his "friend" told you, just go by your own instincts.

 

Do you trust him or not?

 

I was under the impression you did, but now I suspect you don't.

 

If you DON't trust him, then you need to move on. A relationship with little to no trust will NOT work, no matter how into him you are.

 

I DID trust him until that weird feeling that he came across as a ladies man when I looked at his emails and messages a while ago. But these recent weeks/month, nothing too shady has come up besides the distant feeling sometimes. I still have a gut feeling but I'd hate it if he REALLY has changed his ways and committed this time around. :(

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He has been out of town on business but comes back tomorrow so I will bring up a commitment talk. Isn't it too early to ask about marriage and family? I honestly don't think he's ready to settle down right now in the present.

 

You aren't asking him to marry you; you're asking him how he feels about marriage, commitment and so on in general. He may not be ready to settle down, but if he sees a future with you he'll tell you as much.

 

Do men usually stay with women for convenience? How long can a "convenient" relationship last? :eek:
No, most men don't stay with women out of convenience, but a convenient relationship will last as long as the relationship is convenient. That can be years. It sounds like you're doing all the work, making yourself available, and so on. When was your last date night (getting dressed up and going out)? When was the last time he went out of his way to spend time with you? He's not going to leave you if his immediate needs are satisfied.

 

I DID trust him until that weird feeling that he came across as a ladies man when I looked at his emails and messages a while ago. But these recent weeks/month, nothing too shady has come up besides the distant feeling sometimes. I still have a gut feeling but I'd hate it if he REALLY has changed his ways and committed this time around. :(
You guys really need to have a talk. It could be his friend is just a jerk, like katiegrl said, so you can ask one of your mutual friends (after almost a year you should have at least a few) for their input. However, I have a bad feeling about this guy. When I've asked past boyfriends about our relationships, they've told me they saw us moving towards settling down, marriage, etc. If they didn't see it going anywhere, we broke up. But this guy responded with "I'm not sleeping with anyone else." What the hell kind of answer is that? He should be saying he loves you, cares about you and wants to be with you, not "well, at least you're the only one I'm banging at the moment!"

 

I think this guy sees you as Ms. Right Now rather than Ms. Right. This is working for him while he's in this stage of his life, but if he had a change in school/career he wouldn't factor you into the decision. If he were truly committed to you, you wouldn't be here asking for our opinion, because he'd be demonstrating his feelings with his words and actions.

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For a 30 year old your bf seems a little immature...

 

I guess the curious part for me is you don't say much about his character or anything deep about the relationship except that you guys party, drink, have sex and have fun. I mean...that's all good and well but for me if that's what the relationship is mostly, it may just be something temporary and your bf doesn't even sound like a long term guy so it's possible he could be cheating.

 

I don't think if he's cheating or not should be the concern though, I think you should ask yourself if you want anything more than sex, drinks, fun and parties with this guy and if a guy who says he doesn't believe in monogamy, you've already had to spy on his email, you already feel he flirts too much and now his friend is telling you that he cheated in the early part of your relationship, who also had no job, is someone you see a future with.

 

Men staying with women for convenience happens ALL the time! I know one friend who his last two relationships, he lived with both these women, one for 5 years, the other 2, was about convenience. He was never in love with either of them but they loved him and waited on him and foot and he got a roommate, he also didn't like sleeping around so got convenient sex, and so he went along with it and only broke it off when they started wanting marriage. I have also heard of other men who will be with a woman for all those same reasons because it is convenient but will never make any bigger commitment and aren't head over heels either. Which is why sometimes a woman can be with a man for 5 years and want him to marry her and he makes excuses and never does, then they break up and a year later that's him married and having a baby with another woman.

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No, most men don't stay with women out of convenience, but a convenient relationship will last as long as the relationship is convenient. That can be years. It sounds like you're doing all the work, making yourself available, and so on. When was your last date night (getting dressed up and going out)? When was the last time he went out of his way to spend time with you? He's not going to leave you if his immediate needs are satisfied.

 

When I've asked past boyfriends about our relationships, they've told me they saw us moving towards settling down, marriage, etc. If they didn't see it going anywhere, we broke up. But this guy responded with "I'm not sleeping with anyone else." What the hell kind of answer is that? He should be saying he loves you, cares about you and wants to be with you, not "well, at least you're the only one I'm banging at the moment!"

 

I think this guy sees you as Ms. Right Now rather than Ms. Right. This is working for him while he's in this stage of his life, but if he had a change in school/career he wouldn't factor you into the decision.

 

My birthday was two weeks ago so we went out for that. Otherwise we go out to bars with his friends usually. We go out for movies and meals pretty often but they aren't really dress up occasions. Sometimes he'll skip going to the gym in the evenings to see me or else he'll go and I'll stay at his place until he comes back. So he trusts me to be alone in his apartment. Wouldn't cheaters be worried about that?

 

Your second point does make sense...He's in such a period of transition that I don't know if he's thinking about marriage or settling...His new business is taking up a lot of his time.

 

 

For a 30 year old your bf seems a little immature...

 

I guess the curious part for me is you don't say much about his character or anything deep about the relationship except that you guys party, drink, have sex and have fun. I mean...that's all good and well but for me if that's what the relationship is mostly, it may just be something temporary and your bf doesn't even sound like a long term guy so it's possible he could be cheating.

 

I don't think if he's cheating or not should be the concern though, I think you should ask yourself if you want anything more than sex, drinks, fun and parties with this guy and if a guy who says he doesn't believe in monogamy, you've already had to spy on his email, you already feel he flirts too much and now his friend is telling you that he cheated in the early part of your relationship, who also had no job, is someone you see a future with.

 

Men staying with women for convenience happens ALL the time! Which is why sometimes a woman can be with a man for 5 years and want him to marry her and he makes excuses and never does, then they break up and a year later that's him married and having a baby with another woman.

 

Wow your second paragraph really hammered it in LOL. I mean, I love how witty and confident and smart he is. We have the greatest talks about theories and space and all kinds of topics. The convenient relationship bit worries me. Why do you think a guy basically leads a woman on for years, then dumps her and promptly finds another to actually commit to? Is it because the second woman is so special or is it something internal in the man?

 

Well. He comes back tomorrow and I'm guessing we'll see each other. Usually I pick him up from the airport whenever he travels. I will try to have a talk with him...

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The usual fun, charming guy who has all these conquests who's confident who has girls all over him, even though he's a scumbag. :rolleyes:

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Why do you think a guy basically leads a woman on for years, then dumps her and promptly finds another to actually commit to? Is it because the second woman is so special or is it something internal in the man?

 

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It's obviously because he is more into the second woman than the first woman. Why? well gotta be either looks or personality

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UPDATE

 

My bf came back to town the day before yesterday and I picked him up from the airport. Got dinner, went back to his place, had sex, and woke up the next day and ran errands with him.

 

I finally got up the courage to ask about the future and marriage. Basically he said that where people see themselves five years from now depends on the things they are doing in the present. That was his answer... So I guess he's not really clear on it and depending on how things go now, anything can change?

 

About marriage, he said sure, he'll get married one day. I asked him what he was looking for and he said something fun and romantic. He didn't seem to rule out marriage or a future, per say, but I'm not sure where he was going with all that...

 

That's it. ... :eek: Help?

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UPDATE

 

My bf came back to town the day before yesterday and I picked him up from the airport. Got dinner, went back to his place, had sex, and woke up the next day and ran errands with him.

 

I finally got up the courage to ask about the future and marriage. Basically he said that where people see themselves five years from now depends on the things they are doing in the present. That was his answer... So I guess he's not really clear on it and depending on how things go now, anything can change?

 

About marriage, he said sure, he'll get married one day. I asked him what he was looking for and he said something fun and romantic. He didn't seem to rule out marriage or a future, per say, but I'm not sure where he was going with all that...

 

That's it. ... :eek: Help?

 

Wow. I know the words were ambiguous but that kind of complete non-answer is very, very clear. At this point he may as well be walking around with a sandwich board that says "I'm not serious about you". He resisted all attempts to have an honest conversation about the status of your relationship and said all he wanted was something fun and romantic. Sure, he may get married one day, but not to you.

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UPDATE

 

My bf came back to town the day before yesterday and I picked him up from the airport. Got dinner, went back to his place, had sex, and woke up the next day and ran errands with him.

 

I finally got up the courage to ask about the future and marriage. Basically he said that where people see themselves five years from now depends on the things they are doing in the present. That was his answer... So I guess he's not really clear on it and depending on how things go now, anything can change?

 

About marriage, he said sure, he'll get married one day. I asked him what he was looking for and he said something fun and romantic. He didn't seem to rule out marriage or a future, per say, but I'm not sure where he was going with all that...

 

That's it. ... :eek: Help?

 

Well, that's basically a non-answer. Sounds to me like he isn't thinking into the future at the moment. I don't know what to say, other than you might want to reconsider your investment in him a bit more.

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UPDATE

 

My bf came back to town the day before yesterday and I picked him up from the airport. Got dinner, went back to his place, had sex, and woke up the next day and ran errands with him.

 

I finally got up the courage to ask about the future and marriage.

 

**Basically he said that where people see themselves five years from now depends on the things they are doing in the present.**

 

That was his answer... So I guess he's not really clear on it and depending on how things go now, anything can change?

 

About marriage, he said sure, he'll get married one day. I asked him what he was looking for and he said something fun and romantic. He didn't seem to rule out marriage or a future, per say, but I'm not sure where he was going with all that...

 

That's it. ... :eek: Help?

 

IDK ...maybe I'm weird (don't answer that ..lol) but I wouldn't have left it there. especially his response above in asterisk.

 

I would have asked him to elaborate, no matter how uncomfortable answering it made him.

 

This is YOUR heart and YOUR future! You need to take care of you!

 

He sure won't...sounds like he is perfectly content to go along behaving elusively and leading you along until he either gets bored or meets a woman he *does* want to commit to.

 

Why are so many people afraid to ask the hard questions and to probe deeper when the person they're asking answers so elusively?

 

Again, this is your heart and your future. You need to protect it cause no one else will, that's for darn sure.

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We spend so much time together it's hard to imagine how he can have the time to put in the effort to cheat...

 

BUT

 

He has been out of town on business ...he came across as a ladies man when I looked at his emails and messages a while ago.

 

- adequate opportunity.

 

Why Men Cheat

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UPDATE

 

My bf came back to town the day before yesterday and I picked him up from the airport. Got dinner, went back to his place, had sex, and woke up the next day and ran errands with him.

 

I finally got up the courage to ask about the future and marriage. Basically he said that where people see themselves five years from now depends on the things they are doing in the present. That was his answer... So I guess he's not really clear on it and depending on how things go now, anything can change?

 

About marriage, he said sure, he'll get married one day. I asked him what he was looking for and he said something fun and romantic. He didn't seem to rule out marriage or a future, per say, but I'm not sure where he was going with all that...

 

That's it. ... :eek: Help?

He didn't rule out marriage in front of you because he was avoiding any drama. Give your head a shake....if he was serious about your relationship don't you think his answer would be different?? Hell ya! Stop looking through the scraps for some glimmer of hope. He won't give you a direct answer because he is hiding the real truth.

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I'm kind of torn about all this.

 

Is he just not at a place in his life to think seriously about any woman at all?

 

Did he really mean he'll get married or does he seems like the type who will be eternal bachelors surrounded by different women on rotation or something?

 

How can a man spend so much time with a woman and act like he's smitten when he's not thinking about an actual relationship in the first place? He sure makes me THINK we're in a relationship...

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"When I asked if we were in a relationship, he said he wasn't sleeping with anyone else. So yes, we were in a relationship. I don't know the timeline of his sleeping with other women."

 

If I'm reading this right, you deduced you were in a relationship because he said he wasn't sleeping with anyone else. He did not say that you were both in a relationship. He is flirting with other girls and clearly keeping a few on a string on his phone. His mate has 'warned' you about him. It sounds like he is enjoying time spent with you a the moment but not thinking ahead. I would say he doesn't see himself in a committed relationship at all but just having some fun with someone who helps him too.

 

Players 'leak' out of relationships all the time. They always have to have a 'back-up' on the go, or potentials in the offing. How many guys are you flirting with by phone?

 

I would not say that because he takes his phone into the bathroom with him when you are not there that he is not being unfaithful. If he's a player, he won't leave his phone where you can get at it and that will become habit. No reasonable person takes their phone into the bathroom when showering as electronic equipment doesn't cope well with moisture in the air. A player may also have another phone on the go, that you are not aware of.

 

Hunk knows the score, it's well worth listening to him.

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"When I asked if we were in a relationship, he said he wasn't sleeping with anyone else. So yes, we were in a relationship. I don't know the timeline of his sleeping with other women."

 

If I'm reading this right, you deduced you were in a relationship because he said he wasn't sleeping with anyone else. He did not say that you were both in a relationship. He is flirting with other girls and clearly keeping a few on a string on his phone. His mate has 'warned' you about him. It sounds like he is enjoying time spent with you a the moment but not thinking ahead. I would say he doesn't see himself in a committed relationship at all but just having some fun with someone who helps him too.

 

Players 'leak' out of relationships all the time. They always have to have a 'back-up' on the go, or potentials in the offing. How many guys are you flirting with by phone?

 

I would not say that because he takes his phone into the bathroom with him when you are not there that he is not being unfaithful. If he's a player, he won't leave his phone where you can get at it and that will become habit. No reasonable person takes their phone into the bathroom when showering as electronic equipment doesn't cope well with moisture in the air. A player may also have another phone on the go, that you are not aware of.

 

Hunk knows the score, it's well worth listening to him.

 

Oh no, I didn't deduce we were in a relationship. He said he wasn't sleeping with anyone else, and then I asked if I was his girlfriend and he said yes. Not sure if the only reason why was because he wasn't sleeping with anybody at the time so I became his gf by default...Which does not make things more reassuring.

 

He has left his phone near me and sometimes asks me to plug it in to charge for him overnight but otherwise he's pretty much glued to it.

 

And I'm slow but who is Hunk? :bunny:

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I'm kind of torn about all this.

 

Is he just not at a place in his life to think seriously about any woman at all?

 

Did he really mean he'll get married or does he seems like the type who will be eternal bachelors surrounded by different women on rotation or something?

 

How can a man spend so much time with a woman and act like he's smitten when he's not thinking about an actual relationship in the first place? He sure makes me THINK we're in a relationship...

 

We can't answer those questions. We don't know him. I can only surmise that he's not got marriage in his mind any time soon; that much is very obvious.

 

To answer your last question, it happens a lot unfortunately. A person can enjoy the companionship of a partner and the benefits of a relationship without having serious intentions, especially if that partner makes is very easy and convenient to do so. To me, it sounds like you're on very different pages. You already have a gut feeling something is off; his friend's opinion of your relationship didn't help ease that worry. Your boyfriend's answer regarding whether or not he sees himself getting married certainly didn't, either. His attachment to his phone isn't a good sign either, in light of all this.

 

I think you really need to re-evaluate this relationship. He seems to content to carry on having fun and keeping things light, whereas you are asking yourself and others if you're in a serious relationship. I don't mean this to sound rude or condescending, but do you have much prior dating/relationship experience? I ask because you appeared very hesitant to even initiate this conversation with him and don't seem able to believe that people who label themselves a "boyfriend" can still be grade-A players. His actions and words aren't lining up.

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Just because you're in a relationship doesn't mean it's serious or committed. FWB is a kind of relationship too.

 

I don't know how you can call this guy smitten when he explicitly said he was looking for fun and romance. A man who was smitten wouldn't be disingenuous and confusing. He would jump at the chance to talk about your relationship, not try to change the subject.

 

Think about the words he didn't say: serious, long-term, stable, future, moving in, committed, wife, mother, and on and on. He said "fun". To bring this back to your first post, your boyfriend's friend was apparently trying to warn you. You should listen.

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Also, OP, has he told you he loves you? Do you know his family? (Sorry if you've already answered these questions somewhere in the thread)

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We can't answer those questions. We don't know him. I can only surmise that he's not got marriage in his mind any time soon; that much is very obvious.

 

To answer your last question, it happens a lot unfortunately. A person can enjoy the companionship of a partner and the benefits of a relationship without having serious intentions, especially if that partner makes is very easy and convenient to do so. To me, it sounds like you're on very different pages. You already have a gut feeling something is off; his friend's opinion of your relationship didn't help ease that worry. Your boyfriend's answer regarding whether or not he sees himself getting married certainly didn't, either. His attachment to his phone isn't a good sign either, in light of all this.

 

I think you really need to re-evaluate this relationship. He seems to content to carry on having fun and keeping things light, whereas you are asking yourself and others if you're in a serious relationship. I don't mean this to sound rude or condescending, but do you have much prior dating/relationship experience? I ask because you appeared very hesitant to even initiate this conversation with him and don't seem able to believe that people who label themselves a "boyfriend" can still be grade-A players. His actions and words aren't lining up.

 

:laugh: You've got me. I don't have a lot of relationship (serious relationships at least) experience. Personally I am not thinking about finding a husband. All I want is a real relationship where two people really care about each other. Who knows what will come in the future? Marriage has never been my ultimate life goal but I do want to be with someone romantically in a relationship where we both care and love each other.

 

I was always under the assumption that players had sex and then left without wanting any sort of relationship. My bf ("bf"?) and I are still together and have been for quite a while longer than it takes to pump and dump.

 

Also, OP, has he told you he loves you? Do you know his family? (Sorry if you've already answered these questions somewhere in the thread)

 

No neither of us have told each other I love you yet. How long does it take to fall in love with someone? It's never come quickly or easily to me. Or maybe I do love him and just don't know it. I really like him and care about him at least.

 

His family members all reside out of state. He's told me about his family and said that his parents know about me which may or may not be true. He has met my family since they are local.

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:laugh: You've got me. I don't have a lot of relationship (serious relationships at least) experience. Personally I am not thinking about finding a husband. All I want is a real relationship where two people really care about each other. Who knows what will come in the future? Marriage has never been my ultimate life goal but I do want to be with someone romantically in a relationship where we both care and love each other.

 

I was always under the assumption that players had sex and then left without wanting any sort of relationship. My bf ("bf"?) and I are still together and have been for quite a while longer than it takes to pump and dump.

 

 

 

No neither of us have told each other I love you yet. How long does it take to fall in love with someone? It's never come quickly or easily to me. Or maybe I do love him and just don't know it. I really like him and care about him at least.

 

His family members all reside out of state. He's told me about his family and said that his parents know about me which may or may not be true. He has met my family since they are local.

 

Every relationship is different, but after a year you should know if you are in love or not. (In my opinion, anyway) Has he ever suggested bringing you to meet his family, or hinted that he'd like to introduce you to them someday?

 

The more you say about him, the more I think his friend was right in his assessment of this relationship.

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