katiegrl Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 Indeed. 7 Health Benefits Of Drinking Alcohol Thank you! Did not know that!!
Omei Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) In my experience supporters of pot smoking have a great tendency to convert everyone to their own way of thinking, rather than accepting that someone people simply do not like it and do not share their opinions. As you can see on page 1 of this thread! So do non smokers in their way of thinking, actually most non smokers tend to be totally misinformed and think its equal to mushrooms or something lol. I accept when people don't like it what I don't accept is when people drink and proclaim pot is terribly worse there has never been a pot related overdose, killing, or hit and run, domestic abuse case. Eventually you just can't get any higher. But you can get drunker till death I don't mind when people don't like pot and accept it its good they stay away I can't till you how many times ive had bothered sinuses and scratchy coughs I like to think I know the pro's and con's by now and for me personally there are more pro's than cons. Edited April 20, 2015 by Omei
katiegrl Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 Thank you! Did not know that!! Guess I should practice what I preach, huh... ugh. My bad!
Emilia Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 I'm not having a go at you. I respect your opinion ..... but you do realize alcohol is a drug right ? Just as nicoteene and tobacco are. The classification you are applying to what is allowed and what is not - seems to be dependent on the law and social acceptance rather then whether it is a drug or the effect it has on the body and health. Both alcohol and cigarettes have been shown to be just as damaging if not more so then weed. Nope. My rule is based on how something affects people and their lifestyle. I'm not into smokers but if someone has the odd cigarette (yes those folks exist) I don't care, same way as I don't care about a glass of wine or a couple of pints of beers either - as long as that guy doesn't act moron stupid just because he had a drop. Dope however is a loser drug, it makes people look and act dumb. It also takes away their drive in a way that a little bit of alcohol (ie not alcoholism) doesn't. It affects you differently. Seen it a million times, I smoked pot about half a dozen times too and I used to be a smoker and I drink alcohol. Therefore I believe I know the difference. I experimented quite a bit in my youth so I have tried just about all of your common recreational drugs. As such I likely have a more open minded view then most when it comes to drugs. I have seen them have both positive (yes seriously) and very negative effects on people. So I take a different view - It is not the drug that matters so much as the person and the way they use it. Alcohol could be a deal breaker for me depending on how someone uses it. Weed could also be a deal breaker depending on how someone uses it. Anti anxiety and legal painkillers could also be deal breakers ... I had a friend who had huge issues with these. I normally find those that have issues with one drug .... often have issues with most of them. Those who show they have the ability to control and moderate what they do with one drug are normally better across the board. So for me - Someone who smoked a very occasional joint at a party to relax I would automatically find more attractive. Seems like someone I would connect and be on the same wavelength with. That's just me. As someone else said before, your prerogative, the same way as my belief is mine. Dope is a loser drug and I don't tolerate it. End of.
Emilia Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 So do non smokers in their way of thinking, actually most non smokers tend to be totally misinformed and think its equal to mushrooms or something lol. I accept when people don't like it what I don't accept is when people drink and proclaim pot is terribly worse there has never been a pot related overdose, killing, or hit and run, domestic abuse case. Eventually you just can't get any higher. But you can get drunker till death I don't mind when people don't like pot and accept it its good they stay away I can't till you how many times ive had bothered sinuses and scratchy coughs I like to think I know the pro's and con's by now and for me personally there are more pro's than cons. Most people know when to stop drinking and they don't turn into raging alcoholics. Therefore the comparison doesn't apply.
Rko28 Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 wow its really upsetting to see so many people backing up weed here. In my field of work I've seen 100's and im speaking literally here, whos mental illness have been brought on by this drug. Their is medical proof everywhere about what it can do to you, why people even think of taking it perplexes me. Get rid of her.
smackie9 Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 I agree, it doesn't matter if it's going to be legal, if your friend doesn't approve of his GF's "habit" that's his prerogative. If he can't work it out with his GF then they just need to breakup simple as that. Why should he be the one to "chill" or "relax" or just let it go and accept it. It's a deal breaker for a lot of people including me. My husband would be kicked to the curb if he decided to start smoking pot. I don't give a rat's ass if anyone smokes it, but I do give one if it's my partner.
carhill Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 OP, here's a recent thread on the same subject which you might find helpful: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/dating/522200-would-you-date-woman-who-smokes-pot If in your position as a male friend, I'd support my friend in solidifying his own boundaries and perspectives and communicating them. In my generation, marijuana use is quite common and I'm pretty outlier being a life-long non-user, but I support friend's choices for their own lives. They're fully formed adults and understand consequences and their use doesn't impact my life. My only point of discussion in the past has been how they would broach the subject with their children (grandchildren for some). That's where it gets interesting.
Omei Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 I'll share my story. I think the "myth" I hate most is that it ruins your drive or motivation it can do that yes but again it effects people differently, I am a person recovered from depression in my early days I would only smoke pot within a party setting I didn't have any tolerance to it yet so yes id get sleepy that's normal low time users, before I took up smoking seriously.... I was a person that lived off well-fair FOR YEARS with depresson, slept all the time, didn't do anything had zero motivation, didn't work, nothing was working anti depressants only seemed to work ever so slightly but then id get used to the meds and it would be gone, when I noticed when high I was a very positive outgoing person I took it up very seriously it helped me in ways I didn't think it could, I felt better I went out and got my full time job, I started saving money, I became more social. Sometimes I take breaks or can't find any and after a few weeks I can feel myself falling back into old habits. im high right now, and I have an entire day planned out to accomplish. (I don't drive) Pot effects people differently in different ways. You cannot take someones bad experience and apply that to every instance and label it bad. 1
PegNosePete Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 Pot effects people differently in different ways. You cannot take someones bad experience and apply that to every instance and label it bad. But that's exactly what you've done with alcohol.
Omei Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 wow its really upsetting to see so many people backing up weed here. In my field of work I've seen 100's and im speaking literally here, whos mental illness have been brought on by this drug. Their is medical proof everywhere about what it can do to you, why people even think of taking it perplexes me. Get rid of her. What people don't realize is a lot of this medical proof you speak of is "suggestive" you'll find when you google a lot of studies done on cannabis they constantly use the words "suggestive" because we really don't know 100% much about it still, we don't even know if it can harm a pregnancy while we know tobacco can yet we still sell it in every store. There are various study on cannabis for cure usages like cancer too. People seem to pick a side with pot a flat good or a flat bad and I always find this weird since we have so much worse out there.
Omei Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 But that's exactly what you've done with alcohol. I didn't base my comments off someones experience I based it off hard cold fact we have alcohol related crimes and deaths while we have none recorded for weed related there are plenty of proclaimed stories one came out last year in BC "weed killed my dog" but no actual to court proven guilty crimes.
PegNosePete Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 I didn't base my comments off someones experience I based it off hard cold fact we have alcohol related crimes and deaths while we have none recorded for weed related. Well, that's just ridiculous. You're saying that no-one ever committed a crime whilst high on pot? And if you do agree that obviously some crime is committed while high, and in the context of your previous post which says we just don't know 100%, how can you say 100% that it's unrelated? You're arguing yourself into a hole here. I blame the drugs, they're muddling your mind
Omei Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Well, that's just ridiculous. You're saying that no-one ever committed a crime whilst high on pot? And if you do agree that obviously some crime is committed while high, and in the context of your previous post which says we just don't know 100%, how can you say 100% that it's unrelated? You're arguing yourself into a hole here. I blame the drugs, they're muddling your mind Im sure there's been crimes done while people are on pot. What im saying is there are no recordings/headlines that made it to a court room for pot usage like you don't hear "He beat his wife while under the influence of marijuana" or "Son died from usage of marijuana" I don't think im arguing myself into a hole, like I said before most people decide its either stickly bad or acceptable rarely do people look at both pro's and cons. Weed has pro's and cons.....it's not just a con which is my whole point of my argument im willing to see both sides of the fence, non smokers tend to just be on 1 side "it's bad" And that last part is just slightly rude you don't have to agree with me but you can't tell me my points are not real and valid because I smoke and just ignore it because it suits you. Edited April 20, 2015 by Omei
PegNosePete Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 you don't hear "He beat his wife while under the influence of marijuana" or "Son died from usage of marijuana" Really? The Pentagon shooter's passion: Marijuana Kinman Chan Disrupts Cross-Country Flight, Drops Pants, Attacks Crew, Claims Was Due To Pot Cookies Come on man I put a big grinning smiley at the end of the last bit, it was clearly a joke.
Bohonia Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 No one died or overdosed from smoking weed. Alcohol on the other hand, well look up the statistics. If she is not high when she works and does her job 100% top rate why does he care? You can get prescriptions from a doctor that have side affects up the wazoo. It's her decision if she wants to smoke, his decision if he can accept her and if not walk the other way. 2
Omei Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 Really? The Pentagon shooter's passion: Marijuana Kinman Chan Disrupts Cross-Country Flight, Drops Pants, Attacks Crew, Claims Was Due To Pot Cookies Come on man I put a big grinning smiley at the end of the last bit, it was clearly a joke. I said in a past post there were plenty of claims every year there's a pot related death or I did it because of weed....im saying its never held up in court they're still charged for their actions by their choice. I could take to google now and counter that with dozens of success stories of ill patients now better. You can find just about anything you want on google to make your argument valid. Just as many people think Michael Jackson was a rapist because it was in the papers, no evidence found? doesn't matter he's guilty anyway even after being proven innocent in peoples minds hes still guilty perfect example of what ppl will believe what they want to believe regardless. Weed users and Non users get stuck in the same battle every time there's one person looking at both ends and one person only seeing 1 end. I won't go on further but just say for the help and success it brought to my life i'll always be a supporter because it helped me.
katiegrl Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) No one died or overdosed from smoking weed. Alcohol on the other hand, well look up the statistics. If she is not high when she works and does her job 100% top rate why does he care? You can get prescriptions from a doctor that have side affects up the wazoo. It's her decision if she wants to smoke, his decision if he can accept her and if not walk the other way. >>You can get prescriptions from a doctor that have side affects up the wazoo.. -- Ain't THAT the truth!! Not to mention, many if not most of these prescription drugs are HIGHLY addictive and have done way WAY more damage than a couple of occasional joints would ever do. The level of abuse of prescription drugs in this country (USA) is outrageous! But they're deemed acceptable because they're legal and prescribed. Ugh. Well so is marijuana in many states. For good reason. Dr. Sanjay Gupka narrates a fabulous Emmy AND Peabody award-winning series on CNN simply entitled "Weed." It is a three part series which discusses all the medical benefits to marijuana and how it has helped and benefitted many many terminally and non- terminally ill people all over the world! Edited April 20, 2015 by katiegrl 1
Justanaverageguy Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 As someone else said before, your prerogative, the same way as my belief is mine. Dope is a loser drug and I don't tolerate it. End of. I believe it was actually me that said that. I also commented that I completely respect your opinion and understand your view point. You are completely entitled to it. Agree to disagree as they say Nope. My rule is based on how something affects people and their lifestyle. I'm not into smokers but if someone has the odd cigarette (yes those folks exist) I don't care, same way as I don't care about a glass of wine or a couple of pints of beers either - as long as that guy doesn't act moron stupid just because he had a drop. Interesting differences in opinion I guess. For me personally I would not have an issue with someone who occasionally smokes a little bit of weed - but - I would not ever date a stoner who smokes up regularly. When it comes to cigarettes though its a complete deal breaker for me. I have never and will never date a cigarette smoker. Cigarettes are the ultimate "follower" drug. They have absolutely no positive benefits - nothing. They don't get you high, they don't make you happy, they don't relax you .... until you become addicted to nicotine. They cost you money, they are very detrimental to your health and that of those around you. Plus and they make you smell like ****. I'm just at a complete loss as to why and how anyone in their right mind would choose to smoke that ****. I was like 13 and tried them and just went WTF ?? Why on earth would anyone possibly want to do this horrible nasty crap ? It's a drug that does absolutely NOTHING for you and was sold to people with marketing and cool factor .... nothing else. I basically think those that smoke cigarettes are just people easily influenced by the crowd. Who will force themselves to do something they don't like to fit in. Basically I put a cross against their intelligence and character. Seriously. At least weed does something for you. If you are going to put a possibly damaging substance into your body you may as well make it worth while.
PogoStick Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 wow its really upsetting to see so many people backing up weed here. In my field of work I've seen 100's and im speaking literally here, whos mental illness have been brought on by this drug. Their is medical proof everywhere about what it can do to you, why people even think of taking it perplexes me. Get rid of her. And what of the millions of people who have used it and didn't develop mental illness?
veggirl Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 wow its really upsetting to see so many people backing up weed here. In my field of work I've seen 100's and im speaking literally here, whos mental illness have been brought on by this drug. Their is medical proof everywhere about what it can do to you, why people even think of taking it perplexes me. Get rid of her. weed triggered their mental illness? how?
katiegrl Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 I believe it was actually me that said that. I also commented that I completely respect your opinion and understand your view point. You are completely entitled to it. Agree to disagree as they say Interesting differences in opinion I guess. For me personally I would not have an issue with someone who occasionally smokes a little bit of weed - but - I would not ever date a stoner who smokes up regularly. When it comes to cigarettes though its a complete deal breaker for me. I have never and will never date a cigarette smoker. Cigarettes are the ultimate "follower" drug. They have absolutely no positive benefits - nothing. They don't get you high, they don't make you happy, they don't relax you .... until you become addicted to nicotine. They cost you money, they are very detrimental to your health and that of those around you. Plus and they make you smell like ****. I'm just at a complete loss as to why and how anyone in their right mind would choose to smoke that ****. I was like 13 and tried them and just went WTF ?? Why on earth would anyone possibly want to do this horrible nasty crap ? It's a drug that does absolutely NOTHING for you and was sold to people with marketing and cool factor .... nothing else. I basically think those that smoke cigarettes are just people easily influenced by the crowd. Who will force themselves to do something they don't like to fit in. Basically I put a cross against their intelligence and character. Seriously. At least weed does something for you. If you are going to put a possibly damaging substance into your body you may as well make it worth while. ^^My sentiments EXACTLY!!! Tried in ONCE, the end. Killed my beautiful mom too... (sigh) Love you mom, may you rest in peace.
katiegrl Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 wow its really upsetting to see so many people backing up weed here. In my field of work I've seen 100's and im speaking literally here, whos mental illness have been brought on by this drug. Their is medical proof everywhere about what it can do to you, why people even think of taking it perplexes me. Get rid of her. Marijuana *caused* mental illness? How can that even be proven? I mean who's to know with 10O% certainty how mental illness develops? It's more than likely the mental illness would have developed regardless of whether the person used marijuana or not...
PogoStick Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 Dope however is a loser drug, it makes people look and act dumb. Seen it a million times, I smoked pot about half a dozen times too. So you're a loser, clearly. And as a gateway drug, you are now a cocaine-heroin junkie right? I presume you're replying to LS on your laptop from a cardboard box under a bridge.
Mrin Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 Reefer madness didn't materialize in Colorado when we legalized it. In fact, most major crime rates are down or way down. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/6/pot-colorado.html As a skeptic I don't think you can attribute this drop all to legalized pot. But I do think you can say without a doubt it hasn't caused any additional crime. And has probably contributed to some amount of the decrease we are seeing. As someone with first hand knowledge about what it is like when pot becomes legal I can tell you that aside from the economic boon we are seeing, it has been a non-event here in Colorado. As a father of two preteen girls I am somewhat at a loss as to what I hope my girls start to experiment when they get older. You rarely hear someone say, "I was so high, I can't believe I had sex with that guy/got into a fight/stole something" but you surely do with alcohol. And this is coming from a guy who doesn't use the stuff except once in a blue moon.
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