Author tiki Posted April 26, 2005 Author Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by Moose I think the better question would be: "Do you believe in God? Why/why not?" No!!! Don't rob my thread. I don't want to get into some deep discussion. That's why I asked for yes, no or maybe. Or even an I don't know. Here's the consensus. But I must admit, some of the answers were a little confusing, but I did my best. Do you believe in God? Yes: 55% No: 30% Maybe/I don't know: 15%
Moose Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 No!!! Don't rob my thread.Sorry Tiki, didn't meant to sound like that's what I was doing.
blind_otter Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 I have had personal experiences with what may be termed as divinity, but I don't think what I felt was associated with any kind of Judeo-Christian God as anyone could describe it. More like, an awareness beyond any which I have been exposed to, or can even imagine. Whatever that was. I don't want to name it.
Author tiki Posted April 26, 2005 Author Posted April 26, 2005 No prob. So are you guys impressed with the percentage of LSers that do believe in God? Or did you expect it to be higher? Lower? I think I was a little impressed.
Pocky Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by tiki No prob. So are you guys impressed with the percentage of LSers that do believe in God? Or did you expect it to be higher? Lower? I think I was a little impressed. I'm not surprised. Most of us live in a Christian society.
Author tiki Posted April 26, 2005 Author Posted April 26, 2005 I think LS has A LOT of liberals. I was blown away by this when I first joined. Call it naivety.
ReluctantRomeo Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Is it too late to add my "yes" vote? If only to neutralise BO... makes me sound like a deodorant
ConfusedInOC Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by Moose I'm pretty stoaked about it. Me too!
laRubiaBonita Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by tiki So are you guys impressed with the percentage of LSers that do believe in God? Or did you expect it to be higher? Lower? i am not too surprised. maybe you should have asked if you believe in traditional-christian God, or just god.
Author tiki Posted April 26, 2005 Author Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by Moose I'm pretty stoaked about it. Is that a mixture of stoked and soaked? lRB, I confuse myself sometimes. I don't know enough about religion. But looking back, yeah, I should've asked in that fashion. People could be worshiping tiki gods for all I know.
laRubiaBonita Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by tiki lRB, I confuse myself sometimes. I don't know enough about religion. But looking back, yeah, I should've asked in that fashion. People could be worshiping tiki gods for all I know. i bet they do too!
Pocky Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by tiki I think LS has A LOT of liberals. I was blown away by this when I first joined. Call it naivety. Liberals don't believe in God?
NTB Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 wow this has grown don't know why but i am surprised at the numbers
Author tiki Posted April 26, 2005 Author Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by Pocky Liberals don't believe in God? Pocky
westernxer Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 I think the word "liberal" scares a lot of people, especially the "vast, right-wing conspiracy."
blind_otter Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Yeah I didn't know that you had to be athiest to be liberal. I mean, does it count if I believe in divinity? Does it count if I believe there might be a God, but personal salvation lies in personal choice and intention and that our actions are the ground on which we stand? Oh, otter, shut up.
UCFKevin Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 I'm fine with God, He has to exist, SOMEONE'S out to get me, but it's religion that really bugs me. Anyone who wants to restrict other's rights because it doesn't conform with what they believe and what they've been taught by their religion, or when someone wants to hurt someone else because of a religious difference, and such things, that's when I feel that religion does more harm than good. So homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry and get all the rights heterosexuals have because of what someone believes from their religion? So everyone who isn't Christian is going to spend eternity in Hell because they made a wrong choice or were brought up believing a certain thing? I don't buy it. That just can't be right. It's BS. I don't think that's what God wants. We're taught that God loves everyone but when you get down to it, it kinda seems like his love is very conditional, at least that's what religion teaches us, and that's not how it is. That can't be. God can't be like that. "You do this and I'll love you, otherwise, you're screwed." Like I said, I don't buy it.
Pocky Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Makes me think of the retribution theory found in Proverbs and Job. Seems these too books are inconsistent because in Proverbs it's an absolute that the righteous will benefit and the wicked will fall to ruin. It's viewed as simplistic as good vs. bad, however in Job, retribution theory appears to waver between being important and only being a piece of how God judges his people. From my understanding, the end of Job emphasizes that it takes more than just a simplistic understanding of good vs. bad to understand how God views and judges people. Even the Bible is inconsistent - it only makes sense that people are as well.
ConfusedInOC Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by UCFKevin I'm fine with God, He has to exist, SOMEONE'S out to get me, but it's religion that really bugs me. LOL. I used to think just like you..... Anyone who wants to restrict other's rights because it doesn't conform with what they believe and what they've been taught by their religion, or when someone wants to hurt someone else because of a religious difference, and such things, that's when I feel that religion does more harm than good. So homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry and get all the rights heterosexuals have because of what someone believes from their religion? Religion doesn't do harm to others. Man's interpretation of religion does. If religous people truly followed their beliefs there would be a lot of harmony in the world. I don't even care about homosexuals getting married. I am more concerned with them being able to adopt and raise kids...*shudder* So everyone who isn't Christian is going to spend eternity in Hell because they made a wrong choice or were brought up believing a certain thing? Not just Christians. All religions are like that. I don't buy it. That just can't be right. It's BS. I don't think that's what God wants. We're taught that God loves everyone but when you get down to it, it kinda seems like his love is very conditional, at least that's what religion teaches us, and that's not how it is. That can't be. God can't be like that. "You do this and I'll love you, otherwise, you're screwed." Like I said, I don't buy it. Well, to believe the God of your own understanding is to believe in a false God. The bible clearly tells you who God is and what you should do to in order to prepare for the next life. That's all this life is, preparation for the next. It's entirely your right to believe what you want. God gives you the choice. You accept the consequences for your actions. I would never force Christianity on someone who isn't open minded. As I said, I once believed exactly as you did. If you are right about God and I am wrong, no big deal, right? But if I am right and you are wrong....oh boy.
quankanne Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 however in Job, retribution theory appears to waver between being important and only being a piece of how God judges his people. I've always thought that maybe men's view of God have shifted from an angry parent ready to punish, to a loving parent ready to forgive/reconcile as the Bible progresses from Old Testament to New. However, to believe this theory, then one understands that this whole act of reconciliation is rooted in the existence of Christ, whom the NT centers around. *end of digressive post*
Pocky Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by ConfusedInOC Religion doesn't do harm to others. Man's interpretation of religion does. If religous people truly followed their beliefs there would be a lot of harmony in the world. Your statement is inaccurate if you want to include any reference to the Old Testament. Holy war wasn't just a religious idea in Islam.
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