Auz Posted April 15, 2005 Posted April 15, 2005 Indeedy yes! We were once talking about God and beliefs with a group of friends who almost all do believe..and it finally came around to one friend who doesnt believe and he looked around and said 'After listening to all you guys, I still have to say I dont believe in God...but I hope he believes in me..just in case:P' - well it was funny at the time...
quankanne Posted April 15, 2005 Posted April 15, 2005 I was about to say yes, silly me yeah ... ya nearly got me there, Moi!!!!
RecordProducer Posted April 15, 2005 Posted April 15, 2005 They say that God watches our every move. What a voyeur!
moimeme Posted April 15, 2005 Posted April 15, 2005 I was about to say yes, silly me yeah ... ya nearly got me there, Moi!!!!
fleafly Posted April 15, 2005 Posted April 15, 2005 No, although sometimes I wish I did, so I could tell him to go to hell.
UCFKevin Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 I believe in God. And the only thing I'm afraid of is Keyzer Soze.
ConfusedInOC Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 Originally posted by tiki I'm just curious, how many LoveShackers here believe in God? If you want to answer, feel free to answer with a "Yes", "No", or a "Maybe". Yes. Absolutely. Think "Intelligent Design"....
ConfusedInOC Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 Originally posted by fleafly No, although sometimes I wish I did, so I could tell him to go to hell. Believe or not, God doesn't want a bunch of people just telling him what he wants to hear. He wants to hear from you when you are angry or happy. Trust me, I used to be agnostic but once I started my relationship with God, I feel much better and my life has purpose. Think rich people have it all? Ask "Monkey" from KORN why he gave up a life of rock and roll and infidelity for Jesus Christ!
XNemesisX Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Moose~ Yes, Of course I believe in God........talk to Him everyday. Sure you don't need admitted to a mental hospital? Just kidding.. I lean more toward no in that I don't believe in a PERSONAL God. Maybe I fall under deist these days? I believe there could very well be intelligent design but this "deity" really does not intervene in anyone's life or in the world.
westernxer Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by ConfusedInOC Ask "Monkey" from KORN why he gave up a life of rock and roll and infidelity for Jesus Christ! Part of his conversion is due to the fact that he was a drug addict and needed something to latch onto. If he didn't make a drastic change, he would literally be dead (and not just spiritually). But hey, he's trying to turn his life around, so more power to him. Hopefully he succeeds in defeating his demons, and hopefully he doesn't start recording lame Christian rock that rips off the mainstream acts.
Jtizzle Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 At times when life is not going my way or my prayers are not bein answered, i never fix myself to say i dont believe in God...its more of the fact that i be let down by him most of the time. My mom always says : God doesnt come when you call him, but he always comes on time...i believe that..and of course i might pray when i want something, but i guess tha rough times tell me i should pray even when things are going good. so YES i believe in God...
ConfusedInOC Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by westernxer Part of his conversion is due to the fact that he was a drug addict and needed something to latch onto. If he didn't make a drastic change, he would literally be dead (and not just spiritually). But hey, he's trying to turn his life around, so more power to him. Hopefully he succeeds in defeating his demons, and hopefully he doesn't start recording lame Christian rock that rips off the mainstream acts. Not completely true. He did say that his life was empty. Drugs, women, money. None of it fulfilled his life. Once he found God, he found his purpose and that will bring much more joy than all the sex, drugs and rock and roll combined. PS: I agree though, I hope his music isn't a copy of mainstream stuff. I'd like to see him tap into his own talent.
westernxer Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 He said this after hitting rock bottom: typical drug addict in my opinion. Anyway, I don't want to discount his conversion, but only time will tell. As Jesus said in the Parable of the Sower...
Moose Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 DO you believe in God? Really, when XNemesisX asked me if I should be in a mental hospital......I thought a little bit more about her response. I kinda had to......really..... I suppose we all have that curiousity. But what really sealed the deal for me is that when I look back on my life and I see where I was.......where I began......where I went, where I fell, where I stood up.......where I began again......and fell again...and well.....get picked back up, yet, again.....this couldn't of happened without some sort of intervention......and I'm not talkin' just about Mrs. Moose. I look into my daughter's eyes, and the way she looks back at me. The way my Lab greats me when I pull up into the drive, the harmonics of nature itself, emotions stirring inside, everytime my eyes meet my wife's......how the horses seem to know what you want from them, this is no accident to me, or coincedence..........I know it's God and His creation........His Love surrounding me......I know it's Him because He promised that if I put my faith in Him....He'd give me these things.....people, He does what He promises! I think the better question would be: "Do you believe in God? Why/why not?"
Auz Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Those that want to believe, will find reasons to back their belief. Those who dont want to believe, will find reasons to back their belief. Its why religion is also known as faith. Because those of us who do believe, dont need facts and numbers and science to give us reason - we are confident in our faith and our principles - regardless of religion.
Moose Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Originally posted by Auz Those that want to believe, will find reasons to back their belief. Those who dont want to believe, will find reasons to back their belief. Its why religion is also known as faith. Because those of us who do believe, dont need facts and numbers and science to give us reason - we are confident in our faith and our principles - regardless of religion. Well said......I watched a movie recently, Flight of the Phoenix I think, and one of the characters said that religion is what divides us.....but when it comes down to the nitty, we all must believe in something.
XNemesisX Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 I have a lot of reasons why I do not believe in a personal God. To sum it up and to be as brief as possible I would most likely say that it is easy for you, Moose, to believe in a personal God. You have a great life with all of the things that everyone wishes for. But what about the parents of Jessica in Florida who was kidnapped, raped, and possibly buried alive? What about those who have terrible lives who are not as fortunate as you? Divine intervention is a ridiculous idea. God does not bless nor curse anybody. I hear about these "miracles" with children saved (has anyone heard of the railroad track analogy?? If not, I can explain that). Why then, would other children not be saved from a horrible death? There is just too much evil and suffering in the world to believe that God intervenes in any particular person's life. What would make anyone think they are so special as to receive any special intervention from God? I'm sure there are people out there who have prayed their heart out, did everything they were supposed to do for this personal God and it never did them any bit of good. Moose~ this couldn't of happened without some sort of intervention......and I'm not talkin' just about Mrs. Moose. I know it's Him because He promised that if I put my faith in Him....He'd give me these things.....people, He does what He promises! If God makes promises, then he is really good at breaking them. I'm just skimming the surface of why I don't believe in a personal God because it would be one heck of a long post if I went into it in depth. I think God is independent of this world and he lets things happen as they do. He takes no part in any of it, not our lives or the lives of others, or the world for that matter. Look around. It's depressing to think that God doesn't really care about any of us individually but I think that if you take a step back from this overwhelming wishful thinking we all have for a personal God, then you will see that it makes much more sense to believe that God is completely seperate of the world and all that live in it. Moose, I'm not trying to attack you at all. I really respect your beliefs and I am sometimes envious of people that can believe in things like this. I do think that you are very lucky in every sense of the word to have what you have but I doubt it has anything to do with a God personally making sure all of this happens for you.
Auz Posted April 26, 2005 Posted April 26, 2005 Without wanting to sound like a preacher or anything.... If you believe in God (in the way I do), you believe in Satan. Upon creation, God gave us the 'gift' of free will. Adam and Eve were placed in paradise, but used this freedom of choice to take the apple which led to them dealing with further repercussions etc etc In the same way, everyone around us is given freedom to decide on their actions and beliefs - and yes, many of these will have adverse effects on innocent people (through the influence of 'evil'). But God is there to comfort and stand by those people that have been hurt, who are lost, who are suffering. You need to realise that I believe in 'heaven' - rewards for a good life may not necessarily happen here and life does not end the day we die - its just the end of the begining. So when an innocent and good person dies, their life will continue in a better place. When a criminal gets away with murder and dies old and rich, I like to think of their reaction when they realise that their short term fun is going to result in a long time of suffering - even longer than their victims. I know my life aint perfect - ive lost my gf who i love enormously, my job sucks big time etc etc but I know these are the results of people's free will (yes, even my own) - and I feel comfortable in the fact that even though other peoples decisions hurt me, and my own stupidity hurts me at times too, that I can turn to God when I feel like giving up or doing something in anger and be reminded that things can get better. Sure it may all seem far fetched, hard to believe etc etc but thats exactly why it's called faith isnt it? If you aint got the faith, then thats your free will in action. Auz
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