BlackOpsZombieGirl Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 No one likes rejection. Women have to deal with it less often, so it makes sense that they don't complain about it on the scale that men to. There is a right way to reject people. I'll share my three "favorite" rejections. 10 Years Ago I spent that evening talking to a woman at a piano bar. I asked her for her phone number at the end of the night and she said: "Please don't judge me, but I only date white guys. I'm sorry if I led you on tonight (she didn't)." We called it a night and parted at the valet. I never saw her again. 6 Years Ago I had been talking to this woman at work and invited her out to dinner. We were just finishing up the meal and I was lightly flirting with her. She then said: "You're a great guy, but I just don't feel that chemistry with you. I'd love the opportunity to get to know you as a friend, but I understand if you don't want that." She then paid half the check and we called it a night. Six years later, we are still close friends. 2 Years Ago I met a woman at a Bon Jovi concert. We went out for drinks afterwards and I thought we clicked well. I asked her out at the end of the night and she said: "You're a cool guy, but I just don't see anything happening between us". She covered half the bar tab and called it a night. While I have complained about rejection, I have never said anything bad about these three situations. Yes, those were polite and truthful rejections, and you received them like the mature adult that you are. BlueIris' point with her post is that not all guys respond in a mature manner when they're on the receiving end of a polite and honest rejection. And um, what makes you think women don't experience rejection as often as guys do? Ya know, not every woman is born looking like Kate Upton or Megan Fox or who have Zooey Deschanel's charming and interesting personality. There are plenty of average to below-average looking women in this world who are rejected because of either their looks or because of their personalities. Just because women don't talk about it or whine about it as much as men do, doesn't mean they experience rejection less than guys do. .
fitnessfan365 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Um, you'd be surprised of how many guys that only want to "get laid" that decent women out there are encountering on almost each date they go on! You only have to read a few threads on here to see what some of them are going through - and how a lot of them have given up on dating because of it. Women are always SHOCKED when I keep planning dates in public. They say how nice it is I actually plan things to do. I like actually spending time with a woman and getting to know her. But the difference is that I am very playful and aggressive. So I am constantly making her feel desired and turning her on, but never trying to actually sleep with her. Having will power like this flips the power dynamic. Does this cause temporary blue balls? Yes. But it's worth it in the long run. She goes from being the one who says when sex happens, to the one pursuing it. This type of submissive mindset a woman secretly likes to have is the HOTTEST thing ever. But you have to put in the time to build trust, make her feel safe, and make sex happen on your terms. Letting a woman seduce you into sex way too early makes sex happen on her say-so and she doesn't ultimately want to be submissive to a guy that isn't strong enough to make her work for it.
fitnessfan365 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Being playful and aggressive requires a delicate balance. Never have been able to pull it off without it backfiring. I'm just thankful that my will power and stubbornness are equally as high as my sex drive. In the end, it's just a matter of using push and pull to build attraction, You push your desire on a woman, and then pull away keeping dates in public and making her have to work for sex. Women have been doing this to men since the beginning of time playing hot and cold, and using sexual teasing to get things on their terms. They're just not used to coming across a guy that has the will power to do the same thing to them. The woman I am seeing is already saying "I look forward to really testing your will power tmrw night". So she is essentially admitting that sex is on my terms and is putting herself in my hands.
BlackOpsZombieGirl Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 By never giving out your number you're making all men pay for what the ice in your veins guy did and this is what its like now. Some women have even admitted that I'm paying for the misdeeds of other guys. Well, I said that I'll probably end up buying one of those small cheap phones that they can text and call me on. Read your first sentence - I can flip that back on all of the good guys who are making the future women they date pay for when other women have rejected them. The just sex guys aren't a big amount but these guys have the sizzle, know what to say, know how to hook women. A lot of good guys that I know have given up due to lack of getting dates and when they have gotten one it was no chemistry so they packed it in after enoigh years of failure. Those guys may appear to have "the sizzle", but most intelligent women can see through their boorish and brainless attempts at trying to "get laid". The good guys who are getting rejected because of "no chemistry" or aren't getting very many dates just need to keep on keepin' on, just like some women have to do. Like I said to another poster, it's just a numbers game. They also have to realize, that, life just isn't fair sometimes and that not every single person gets to find the love of their life. . 2
BlackOpsZombieGirl Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Women are always SHOCKED when I keep planning dates in public. They say how nice it is I actually plan things to do. I like actually spending time with a woman and getting to know her. I was impressed reading this part of your post. Even though we all know what your end goal truly is, you at least like taking the time to get to know a woman and have fun in her company. You seem to be a man who is patient yet methodical with your approach. But the difference is that I am very playful and aggressive. So I am constantly making her feel desired and turning her on, but never trying to actually sleep with her. Having will power like this flips the power dynamic. Does this cause temporary blue balls? Yes. But it's worth it in the long run. She goes from being the one who says when sex happens, to the one pursuing it. This type of submissive mindset a woman secretly likes to have is the HOTTEST thing ever. But you have to put in the time to build trust, make her feel safe, and make sex happen on your terms. Letting a woman seduce you into sex way too early makes sex happen on her say-so and she doesn't ultimately want to be submissive to a guy that isn't strong enough to make her work for it. Omg FF.....when I read the fourth sentence in this paragraph, I almost spit out my lemonade!!! That's some funny $hit! Anyways, I understand what you're talking about with regard to flipping the power dynamic in the dance of male/female seduction. But um, as far as this thing you have for wanting a woman to be submissive, I understand that this is part of who you are and I see how it works in the overall scheme of dating and relationships. But idk....just seeing the word 'submissive' is a turn off to me, and reading how you revel in making sex happen on only YOUR terms just sounds um...a bit domineering and rigid! Nothing wrong with you being this way; it's just something I've never encountered with any guy I've ever dated or been with - and hopefully something I'll never run into lol. If it wasn't for your fixation on nudging and seducing the women you date into 'submission', the playful dance of seduction that you speak of almost sounds intriguing. .
Shining One Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 And um, what makes you think women don't experience rejection as often as guys do? Ya know, not every woman is born looking like Kate Upton or Megan Fox or who have Zooey Deschanel's charming and interesting personality. There are plenty of average to below-average looking women in this world who are rejected because of either their looks or because of their personalities. Just because women don't talk about it or whine about it as much as men do, doesn't mean they experience rejection less than guys do.For the most part, men do the approaching. Only the one doing the approaching can be rejected. I'm fully aware that some women do approach and they get rejected too. My female friends tell me about their rejections and I tell them about mine. The difference is that all of theirs combined is less than one tenth of mine. Show me a woman who has approached 100+ men (not counting OLD) and been rejected by all of them. I'd love to have a conversation with her to get the female perspective on what that feels like. Let's look at this from a different angle. How many men do you see complaining about being used for sex? It happens. Just because men don't talk about it or whine about it as much as women do, doesn't mean they experience being used for sex less than girls do.Well, I said that I'll probably end up buying one of those small cheap phones that they can text and call me on.Google Voice. It's free and you can change your number as often as you need. 1
fitnessfan365 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) I was impressed reading this part of your post. Even though we all know what your end goal truly is, you at least like taking the time to get to know a woman and have fun in her company. You seem to be a man who is patient yet methodical with your approach. Omg FF.....when I read the fourth sentence in this paragraph, I almost spit out my lemonade!!! That's some funny $hit! Anyways, I understand what you're talking about with regard to flipping the power dynamic in the dance of male/female seduction. But um, as far as this thing you have for wanting a woman to be submissive, I understand that this is part of who you are and I see how it works in the overall scheme of dating and relationships. But idk....just seeing the word 'submissive' is a turn off to me, and reading how you revel in making sex happen on only YOUR terms just sounds um...a bit domineering and rigid! Nothing wrong with you being this way; it's just something I've never encountered with any guy I've ever dated or been with - and hopefully something I'll never run into lol. If it wasn't for your fixation on nudging and seducing the women you date into 'submission', the playful dance of seduction that you speak of almost sounds intriguing. . Haha.. You make me out to be some type of sexual assassin or something..LOL As I said, I genuinely do like dates in public because I don't want sexual attraction to cloud how I feel about her personality. Any woman can seem great at first after sex has entered into the picture. So that's the main reason why I wait. For me, the added bonus is flipping the power dynamic. But submissive is just a term and it's really just semantics in the end. The reason why it sounds intriguing to you, is because you're used to being the one who determines when sex happens. But it would make you feel a lot more feminine not to have to be the man in the relationship. Haha BTW - If a woman is dead set to throw me down and have her way with me at a minutes notice, it's not like I'm going to turn her down BOZG. But at the same time, my biggest turn on is the lust a woman puts off when she's taken. So that's what the appeal is to me. Plus, the reason why I like to be in control sexually is to take care of a woman's needs. The trust she puts in me to know what she ultimately needs and how her body works actually has a lot of intimacy. So it isn't about me getting my needs met. My first concern in bed is her pleasure and her allowing me to get her is what's hot. Edited March 24, 2015 by fitnessfan365
Phoe Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 For the most part, men do the approaching. Only the one doing the approaching can be rejected. I'm fully aware that some women do approach and they get rejected too. My female friends tell me about their rejections and I tell them about mine. The difference is that all of theirs combined is less than one tenth of mine. Show me a woman who has approached 100+ men (not counting OLD) and been rejected by all of them. I'd love to have a conversation with her to get the female perspective on what that feels like. I've certainly not approached 100 men, but I've done it quite a few times and have a 100% rejection rate. While it's not as grand a scale as 100, I definitely know rejection well! It has me questioning whether I would attempt my approaching again, because if a man actually did accept, I have no clue what I would do then lol. I'd probably be stunned!
Gary S Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Based on the opening post, I'd hate to hear you complain if you got a real 2nd date with her. Most ladies like to be picked up at their home. But I think trying to find her address and making it all the way to her doorstep might be too much for ya! Cry me a river! Gentlemen are a dying breed. 1
fitnessfan365 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Based on the opening post, I'd hate to hear you complain if you got a real 2nd date with her. Most ladies like to be picked up at their home. But I think trying to find her address and making it all the way to her doorstep might be too much for ya! Cry me a river! Gentlemen are a dying breed. Actually Gary, women online tend to be a bit more safeguarded and don't want pick ups right away. Can't say I blame them. I mean would you want a complete stranger knowing where you live? Once I get to date three, that's when I feel comfortable picking a woman up at her place.
Gary S Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Actually Gary, women online tend to be a bit more safeguarded and don't want pick ups right away. Can't say I blame them. I mean would you want a complete stranger knowing where you live? Once I get to date three, that's when I feel comfortable picking a woman up at her place. - That is correct, it is acceptable for a woman to meet up to two times before having him pick her up. However, some savvy men want a woman who makes an exception because she thinks he's special and will let him pick her up for date two. It depends on the individual's perspective - whether you are a man or a woman. Always find someone who loves you more and first and you'll never have a problem. Welcome to the worlds' biggest cat and mouse game, dating.
guest569 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 So why would saying you have to come to MY area be a turn off? Because you said it as a "joke" but it actually means "i didnt really enjoy this date much, taking the journey to your area is a bit of a hassle, you come to me next time. Thats fair." And its true, you are so not impressed by this girl so why are you still thinking about her? If you were really interested, you wouldn't care about "wasting" money and time on getting to know her.
Justanaverageguy Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 As a man you probably get less date than us women so when you have one once in a while you like to sit down and socialize, understandable. Women can easily get on a couple of dates a week with different men and 98% of them we will discard so I don't want a man to spend money on me when he does not know if I'll see him again, to me it's my way of respecting him and I don't want to spend money on restaurants twice a week either it's expensive and I'll get huge. I am seeing someone right now, he insisted very much on having dinner for our first meeting and I politely declined. Coffee and cake will do just fine then when we confirm during that first coffee we do like each other we 'meaning he' can invest in a nice meal. Well aren't we the popular young lady ... jokes Not trying to big up myself - previously I would have agreed and said women are the choosers and have an easier time getting dates - but - after 6 years out of the dating game I have found the rules seemed to have changed. In my reborn life as a single man I magically transitioned from the hunter to the hunted. I definitely have no issue getting dates these days - kind of bizarre how much things have changed from when I was younger. Not sure but perhaps has something to do with my being overseas in a foreign country right now. When I first came back on the market I was jamming as many dates into a week as I could .... but it was like speed dating and stressful scheduling and you hardly remembered who you had met that week. Also not really maintainable with a busy job and friends. I prefer to slow it down take some time rather then go through a huge volume of girls constantly. That becomes old really quickly. You start minimizing the time you have with them - don't get past scratching the surface and it becomes more stressful then enjoyable. Maybe the difference is it comes down to the quality of guys you have to deal with .... sounds like you need the high volume to weed out the weirdos and find someone decent. Some of the women I meet are interesting too but most are fairly normal fun girls .... plus I'm pretty happy being single right now so I'm not in a super rush to find Mrs Right.
Justanaverageguy Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 I am getting very much the opposite. Its making it very hard work. I figured I could meet up with some people, get to know them... you know like wot we did when we woz young... and hip and cool and all that... Now its pressure. Do you fancy me? Do you like me? Whats your impression of me? Whats wrong with me? Its like a barrage of need for validation from me. Either that or weirdness beyond weirdness. I am weeding out those that I think may be like this prior to meeting them. Thats what I get from internet dating after months of no one wanting to talk to me and ignoring me. In real life I get asked out around about 1-2 times a week/ fortnight. So not loads but a fair amount for someone who doesn't go out all that much... not one of those men has been single. At best they have a girlfriend living with them, at worst a wife and kids. I kid you not. Only 1 single man has asked me out in the past year. He was salivating over my breasts very obviously (there was dribble coming from his mouth and I don't think he realised I wear glasses... they are nice breasts but not really on show...) and also the best mate of someone that I had been involved with so under no circumstances would I have said yes... Bear in mind that I have been out of the game for many many years now and these days I find there are so many more people who are hurting, confused and not really in a position other to have more than a FWB situation at most. There seems to be no end of unhappy people just making do with what is there... When did it all get so complicated and stressful? Yeah that's the problem with getting a little older in the dating game. People aren't all fresh faced and wide eyed excited like when they were younger. Most people have already been through the ringer a couple of times and plenty of them are carrying wounds, pain, bitterness and insecurity from previous failed relationships. Love is a battlefield as they say.
Toodaloo Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 June 29th, 2007. I marked the date on my calendar! Well I wish you could have warned me! Damn if I had known it was going to be this hard... actually I wouldn't have changed anything! I have found that when I let men do the chasing they are far more keen. If I chase or approach they are less so and even the confident ones are a bit intimidated. Lesson learned - let men be men. If they don't chase then they are more than likely not interested. Love is a battlefield so I have my sword and shield accordingly. Pistols at dawn... and all that.
Justanaverageguy Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) I have found that when I let men do the chasing they are far more keen. If I chase or approach they are less so and even the confident ones are a bit intimidated. Lesson learned - let men be men. If they don't chase then they are more than likely not interested. Yes the chase .... an important part of the courting game men and women play. Even though I understand exactly how and why this works with men I still cant turn it off and it completely works on me. Just how men are wired. Also I'm not sure the confident ones are necessarily intimidated as much as they are just less interested when a girl approaches them .... even if you are a hot. Like you said men need to feel like men. We are hunter gatherers and our natural instinct is to put higher value on anything that is hard to obtain. We always want what we can't have because if its harder to get .... it must be better. Goes for rocks in the ground like diamonds and gold to things we buy in the shops like expensive brands and yes it most definitely applies to women. Though there are many other things that draw a man to a woman .... the most universal one is hard to get = attractive. At its core it is because men basically think women can get sex from whoever they want. If a girl comes on too strong men think any guy could get her, they see them as easy or desperate and they loose value to them. Its primitive thinking in this day and age .... but that's how it works. Most men absolutely need to feel like they had to "win the girls affections" for them to consider her worthy of more then just a one night stand. Its why the girl who puts out on the first date never ends up as the girlfriend. Edited March 24, 2015 by Justanaverageguy
Frank2thepoint Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Women have this weird logic that they must be polite at all times and never be honest. This woman wanted to know the easiest way to let a guy down that she didn't want to see anymore. All the women in the thread kept saying to give lame cliches and false compliments. But a guy sees through that crap. A woman should always just say "After a few dates, the chemistry just isn't there. Good luck to you." By saying "You're really nice" or "You're great and will make some other girl really happy" etc all you make the guy do is wonder why you don't want him. This where women f**k up in their way of thinking. Especially if it's a first/second date. There are no "feelings' involved. But what does piss men off is having their time wasted or intelligence insulted. It is possible to be both polite & honest. Even I didn't want to date a man, doesn't mean I wanted harm to befall him on the way home. That said, a request for confirmation of safety does give the impression of wanting additional contact. I concur. It doesn't help the man, and consequently the woman, by giving false hope. The man will be confused to the point he feels lead on or mislead that he has to be persistent, consequently annoying the woman. Being honest, direct, but polite avoids all that. If a woman is not interested, just say it. There's no interest, no chemistry, or no compatibility. Simple and effective. Just don't pussyfoot around it by telling the man to message/call to make sure the guy arrived home safely.
SawtoothMars Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Omg FF.....when I read the fourth sentence in this paragraph, I almost spit out my lemonade!!! That's some funny $hit! Anyways, I understand what you're talking about with regard to flipping the power dynamic in the dance of male/female seduction. But um, as far as this thing you have for wanting a woman to be submissive, I understand that this is part of who you are and I see how it works in the overall scheme of dating and relationships. But idk....just seeing the word 'submissive' is a turn off to me, and reading how you revel in making sex happen on only YOUR terms just sounds um...a bit domineering and rigid! Nothing wrong with you being this way; it's just something I've never encountered with any guy I've ever dated or been with - and hopefully something I'll never run into lol. If it wasn't for your fixation on nudging and seducing the women you date into 'submission', the playful dance of seduction that you speak of almost sounds intriguing. I completely understand what FF is saying. I kind of do this by nature... Perhaps it's because some people are very tuned into relationship power dynamics. I always want to feel in control of the situation. Haha.. You make me out to be some type of sexual assassin or something..LOL As I said, I genuinely do like dates in public because I don't want sexual attraction to cloud how I feel about her personality. Any woman can seem great at first after sex has entered into the picture. So that's the main reason why I wait. For me, the added bonus is flipping the power dynamic. But submissive is just a term and it's really just semantics in the end. The reason why it sounds intriguing to you, is because you're used to being the one who determines when sex happens. But it would make you feel a lot more feminine not to have to be the man in the relationship. Haha BTW - If a woman is dead set to throw me down and have her way with me at a minutes notice, it's not like I'm going to turn her down BOZG. But at the same time, my biggest turn on is the lust a woman puts off when she's taken. So that's what the appeal is to me. Plus, the reason why I like to be in control sexually is to take care of a woman's needs. The trust she puts in me to know what she ultimately needs and how her body works actually has a lot of intimacy. So it isn't about me getting my needs met. My first concern in bed is her pleasure and her allowing me to get her is what's hot. FF... I really wish you wouldn't talk about this kind of stuff openly. I kind of feel like these should be trade secrets!
BlackOpsZombieGirl Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Haha.. You make me out to be some type of sexual assassin or something..LOL As I said, I genuinely do like dates in public because I don't want sexual attraction to cloud how I feel about her personality. Any woman can seem great at first after sex has entered into the picture. So that's the main reason why I wait. Waiting to assess someone's personality as opposed to concentrating solely on sexual attraction is a smart move. For me, the added bonus is flipping the power dynamic. But submissive is just a term and it's really just semantics in the end. The reason why it sounds intriguing to you, is because you're used to being the one who determines when sex happens. But it would make you feel a lot more feminine not to have to be the man in the relationship. Haha How do you know why it sounds intriguing to me? I'm not always the one who determines when sexual intimacy occurs, nor do I always like being the one to initiate it. I actually like being the seducer and then seeing how the guy responds to me...when it's apparent that we're both hot for each other and we can't take it anymore, he gently pulls me in for that amazing sensual kiss and then um, the rest....is history! And sometimes, I like to be the one who pulls him in for that hot kiss and for him to seduce me...it just depends on the guy I'm with, what mood I'm in and how aroused I am at that moment. BTW - If a woman is dead set to throw me down and have her way with me at a minutes notice, it's not like I'm going to turn her down BOZG. But at the same time, my biggest turn on is the lust a woman puts off when she's taken. So that's what the appeal is to me. Plus, the reason why I like to be in control sexually is to take care of a woman's needs. The trust she puts in me to know what she ultimately needs and how her body works actually has a lot of intimacy. So it isn't about me getting my needs met. My first concern in bed is her pleasure and her allowing me to get her is what's hot. Yes, but if you sometimes relinquish your sexual control, then the woman can feel the pleasure of taking care of YOUR needs, which she may find to be hot. Nothing wrong with you giving the reigns to the woman sometimes - heck, you might even end up enjoying it! I see what you're saying though. .
preraph Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Fitness Fan, I've had a couple of bad outcomes from guys who were holding out, so it wouldn't work for me anymore. One guy was holding out and I think he was just seeing if he could make an ex of mine mad by being around me and he eventually stole the ex's second wife. One guy had impotence problems, which would be my first thought if it happened again. And one guy was gay. And one guy had a girlfriend and even though he was making out with me for 10 years, not doing "it" was his way of "being faithful." And for a woman to aggressively come after you, which I am sure can happen, takes a certain kind of woman. I'm aggressive, but I'm not looking for someone wishy washy about sex, so I'm not about to pull out all the stops trying to break them down. Just sayin. Maybe it works for you because you only like a certain type woman who would react that way. And also, nothing is a bigger turnoff to me than if I get a whiff of "likes to be begged."
fitnessfan365 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Fitness Fan, I've had a couple of bad outcomes from guys who were holding out, so it wouldn't work for me anymore. One guy was holding out and I think he was just seeing if he could make an ex of mine mad by being around me and he eventually stole the ex's second wife. One guy had impotence problems, which would be my first thought if it happened again. And one guy was gay. And one guy had a girlfriend and even though he was making out with me for 10 years, not doing "it" was his way of "being faithful." And for a woman to aggressively come after you, which I am sure can happen, takes a certain kind of woman. I'm aggressive, but I'm not looking for someone wishy washy about sex, so I'm not about to pull out all the stops trying to break them down. Just sayin. Maybe it works for you because you only like a certain type woman who would react that way. And also, nothing is a bigger turnoff to me than if I get a whiff of "likes to be begged." Haha.. Well it's good to know that you like to get right to it woman. 1) But I think you're confused on how I actually handle myself. As I've said, I'm very aggressive. Plus, even though the dates aren't in my place, they still have elements of privacy. Like shooting pool in the community center upstairs. This allows me to set a sexual tone and get very dominant. Let's just say that she enjoyed being taken against the wall, arms pinned over her head, and eventually being lifted off the ground to let her legs wrap around me... ** But as she got really into it, I set her down gently, playfully smacked her ass, and told her to stop delaying the game. Then I gave her plenty of space, focused on conversation and laughter, and never pushed for full on sex. After all, bending a woman over a pool table may be fun, hot sex once you're more serious. But not with a woman you barely know and are building trust with. 2) I think you're over-estimating how long I wait to have sex with a woman. I'm talking four once a week dates not in my place. This means one month of waiting to really see how I get along with her as a person and to test out the physical chemistry. If I want to have sex with her after that, date five is me cooking for her at my place and giving her what she's been wanting for the last month. Edited March 24, 2015 by fitnessfan365
fitnessfan365 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Yes, but if you sometimes relinquish your sexual control, then the woman can feel the pleasure of taking care of YOUR needs, which she may find to be hot. Nothing wrong with you giving the reigns to the woman sometimes - heck, you might even end up enjoying it! I see what you're saying though. I don't have to be in control 100% of the time. A woman initiating because her desire has overtaken her patience is extremely sexy IMO. So I actually do like when a woman initiates from time to time. Especially in the morning with a BJ wake up call and her climbing on top. So hot! But as hot as a woman initiating is, the lust a woman puts off when she is taken is even sexier. So that's why I like initiating more often than not. However, I'm all for her taking what she wants too.
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