Sex first

March 22, 2015

So very sad. Stomping on their own toes. It is sad for them and (obviously) for the women involved.

IT COULD BE SO MUCH BETTER WITH UNDERSTANDING.

What is this male bashing trope you keep peddling? And all the other females posters on here?

It's so petty and unnecessary.

March 22, 2015

LOL at the bitter, whiny and entitled men on this thread that are complaining about women wanting a Christian Grey-like guy. You gotta be kidding.

Its absolutely disgusting the double standard of sex. If a woman doesn't want you to stick your dick in her on the first date, you whine about her not "putting out fast enough". If she does let you stick your dick in her, she's "too easy". Women just can't win.

I also don't know since when romancing a woman became unimportant, since when doing fun activities, planning dates, being romantic and thoughtful is no longer a thing. It still is to many women, and we appreciate it when a guy does that.

My bf was very thoughtful in planning for our dates. None of the dates we had were expensive, despite us living in one of the most expensive cities on the planet. Dinner for both of us was usually 20$, maybe 25 tops. He was sweet, creative, and fun to be around. He took the time to court me and get to know me long before we did physical stuff. We kissed on date 5, got naked two months later and had sex at 6 months (he left to study abroad for three months after three months of dating and before then it was too early for me to have sex with him because I was a virgin and wasn't ready yet). But overall I greatly appreciate his efforts and I'm so happy I'm his. I don't understand guys who say that courting a woman properly and being patient instead of jumping to have sex on date 1 is no longer a thing.

March 22, 2015

LOL at the bitter, whiny and entitled men on this thread that are complaining about women wanting a Christian Grey-like guy. You gotta be kidding.

Its absolutely disgusting the double standard of sex. If a woman doesn't want you to stick your dick in her on the first date, you whine about her not "putting out fast enough". If she does let you stick your dick in her, she's "too easy". Women just can't win.

I also don't know since when romancing a woman became unimportant, since when doing fun activities, planning dates, being romantic and thoughtful is no longer a thing. It still is to many women, and we appreciate it when a guy does that.

My bf was very thoughtful in planning for our dates. None of the dates we had were expensive, despite us living in one of the most expensive cities on the planet. Dinner for both of us was usually 20$, maybe 25 tops. He was sweet, creative, and fun to be around. He took the time to court me and get to know me long before we did physical stuff. We kissed on date 5, got naked two months later and had sex at 6 months (he left to study abroad for three months after three months of dating and before then it was too early for me to have sex with him because I was a virgin and wasn't ready yet). But overall I greatly appreciate his efforts and I'm so happy I'm his. I don't understand guys who say that courting a woman properly and being patient instead of jumping to have sex on date 1 is no longer a thing.

Because what you've described prefectly in your post is negotiating desire-that men should have to do x, y and z before getting sex. That is negotiating desire which is fundamentally flawed.

True desire cannot be negotiated. It's innate. It's there. I want a women to be so hot for me she's willing to break her own rules. Sex is meant to be poassionate, spontaneous and uncomfortable- that's what makes for the experience.

The best relationships I've had were with girls who had sex with me within 1-2 dates, simply because they couldn't keep their hands off me. And of course I didn't think anything less of them, I just knew they wanted me so I gave back tenfold. So that's what it should be about. Anything less and you're wasting your time- why would I want to be with someone who would make me wait half a year for sex? The alarm bells would be going off in my head thinking 'this girl has luke warm interest at best'.

March 22, 2015

Because what you've described prefectly in your post is negotiating desire-that men should have to do x, y and z before getting sex. That is negotiating desire which is fundamentally flawed.

True desire cannot be negotiated. It's innate. It's there. I want a women to be so hot for me she's willing to break her own rules. Sex is meant to be poassionate, spontaneous and uncomfortable- that's what makes for the experience.

The best relationships I've had were with girls who had sex with me within 1-2 dates, simply because they couldn't keep their hands off me. And of course I didn't think anything less of them, I just knew they wanted me so I gave back tenfold. So that's what it should be about. Anything less and you're wasting your time- why would I want to be with someone who would make me wait half a year for sex? The alarm bells would be going off in my head thinking 'this girl has luke warm interest at best'.

Pfft. And just what the hell do you know about me or my relationship. I didn't "make" him wait half a year. He left for three months. Your reading skills are obviously lacking.

As a person I've never liked any kind of physical touching, I'm not sure why but my mom was very religious and I grew up thinking it was dirty. So it took a long time for me to tear those walls down. I'm very lucky that my bf was so patient.

And lukewarm? Wow, you don't know a damn THING about our sex life. If you did, you'd be saying its anything but lukewarm. Kissing my boyfriend alone soaks my panties to the thread. His oral skills are so good that nothing I have ever seen or read about can rival the orgasms I get from him. He's absolutely amazing, I've never dreamed that sex would be that good. He's so incredibly attentive and skilled and he makes me feel all these amazing sensations. I'm glad I spent a good amount of time getting to know him, because the effort we put into our sex life wouldn't be worth it if we were strangers.

March 23, 2015

if it troubles you all so much to learn that men want sex without any strings attached.. well.. legalize prostitution. Things are going great in Germany.

Prostitution in Germany although legalised, is based on poor immigrant girls being pimped and trafficked for sex. Brothel owners rent the rooms out to the girls, who have to sleep with at least 4 men to break even and that is in the high class brothels.

It’s almost impossible to prosecute sex traffickers or abusive pimps there, thanks to the blurry line between managing sex workers (legal) and exploiting them (illegal). Abuse and coercion of the women is endemic in the German sex industry.

So if that is going great...

March 23, 2015

Pfft. And just what the hell do you know about me or my relationship. I didn't "make" him wait half a year. He left for three months. Your reading skills are obviously lacking.

As a person I've never liked any kind of physical touching, I'm not sure why but my mom was very religious and I grew up thinking it was dirty. So it took a long time for me to tear those walls down. I'm very lucky that my bf was so patient.

And lukewarm? Wow, you don't know a damn THING about our sex life. If you did, you'd be saying its anything but lukewarm. Kissing my boyfriend alone soaks my panties to the thread. His oral skills are so good that nothing I have ever seen or read about can rival the orgasms I get from him. He's absolutely amazing, I've never dreamed that sex would be that good. He's so incredibly attentive and skilled and he makes me feel all these amazing sensations. I'm glad I spent a good amount of time getting to know him, because the effort we put into our sex life wouldn't be worth it if we were strangers.

You seem awfully angry, calm down. You're correct, I don't know 'a damn thing' about your relationship, and nowhere in my post did I insinuate that, either.

You've missed the point of my post entirely. True desire cannot be negotiated. Think about it.

March 23, 2015

Sex is meant to be poassionate, spontaneous and uncomfortable- that's what makes for the experience.

Uncomfortable for who?

March 23, 2015

Pfft. And just what the hell do you know about me or my relationship. I didn't "make" him wait half a year. He left for three months. Your reading skills are obviously lacking.

Ahhh... Nice male shaming tactic there. It's been rife in this thread so far, hasn't it? Women can run their mouths off but how dare a man speak up!

March 23, 2015

Prostitution in Germany although legalised, is based on poor immigrant girls being pimped and trafficked for sex. Brothel owners rent the rooms out to the girls, who have to sleep with at least 4 men to break even and that is in the high class brothels.
It’s almost impossible to prosecute sex traffickers or abusive pimps there, thanks to the blurry line between managing sex workers (legal) and exploiting them (illegal). Abuse and coercion of the women is endemic in the German sex industry.
So if that is going great...

Heh. No. That is what people say without knowing anything about it. I met quite a handful of foreign students - Germans and Dutch women to say a few - who worked as escorts. Not that there was a need for it. They enjoyed their work. Contrary to what people want to believe attractive and average-looking me partake in escorts. They prefer it over all the mess that is the dating world.

As for the states and canada: I met also a handful of young women who worked as escorts to pay off their college loans. It only took them a few years working as escorts/stippers to pay it off. Which means that there's a very significant percentage of men who are spending their money on gettting their desires satisfied by professionals. It would account for all these young women who are without a boyfriend. Well, if its cheaper and drama free. Good for the guys.

March 23, 2015

You seem awfully angry, calm down. You're correct, I don't know 'a damn thing' about your relationship, and nowhere in my post did I insinuate that, either.

You've missed the point of my post entirely. True desire cannot be negotiated. Think about it.

So you think I don't have "true desire" for my boyfriend? Because I showed restraint? Because true desire does not trump the fact that I don't want him to hurt me by disappearing on me if I don't get naked on date 1?

Ahhh... Nice male shaming tactic there. It's been rife in this thread so far, hasn't it? Women can run their mouths off but how dare a man speak up!

What are you even talking about? What male shaming tactic? Defending myself from your spewing random nonsense about my relationship and my "desire" which you certainly seem to know a whole lot about is not a "male shaming tactic".

March 23, 2015

No one hates women here. No one is here typing an essay against women. No one is telling anyone to use women. These guys the OP is complaining about have stated beforehand that they want sex. That's called honesty. You and another poster began calling these guys ''women-haters'' and now they're somehow unable to get laid, and that's why they ''hate'' women.

Don't go that way. The ability to get laid does not make the man a great admirer of women. Lord Byron got laid like it was going out of style and he didn't think much of women, same goes for Casanova. We also have the men who didn't get laid much if at all like John Keats and Shakespeare and they adored women(yes, I know many people think the great Bard was gay).

Dude, why would the guy who wants sex care if women don't want to stay with them after knowing how they think about sex? Sex is not a magical act. Well, it might be for those who are in their 20s and havent' gotten laid yet, but as a man matures he begins to realize that sex is not worth all the drama and problems and obligations that are attached to a woman when you enter a romantic relationship with her.

if it troubles you all so much to learn that men want sex without any strings attached.. well.. legalize prostitution. Things are going great in Germany. Well, if you don't take into account the woes of young german women who complain men don't want to marry them and that they don't want to have children. But that's a different matter!

Just curious about something, Argos. What would happen to you if your penis fell off? Or if you had penis cancer and it had to be amputated? Or if your penis just shriveled up one day into the size of a beef jerky??

What would happen to your LIFE??? You wouldn't be able to get laid anymore! Would you consider ending your life because you could no longer continue on with the only objective in your daily (perhaps hourly) existence - getting LAID??

Just curious as to what YOU would do with the rest of your entire life with your penis being gone. Please, don't hold back with your answer, inquiring minds want to know!

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March 23, 2015

Heh. No. That is what people say without knowing anything about it. I met quite a handful of foreign students - Germans and Dutch women to say a few - who worked as escorts. Not that there was a need for it. They enjoyed their work. Contrary to what people want to believe attractive and average-looking me partake in escorts. They prefer it over all the mess that is the dating world.

As for the states and canada: I met also a handful of young women who worked as escorts to pay off their college loans. It only took them a few years working as escorts/stippers to pay it off. Which means that there's a very significant percentage of men who are spending their money on gettting their desires satisfied by professionals. It would account for all these young women who are without a boyfriend. Well, if its cheaper and drama free. Good for the guys.

So you met a few "escorts" who enjoyed it...

What on earth has that got to do with the German sex industry???

March 23, 2015

So you think I don't have "true desire" for my boyfriend? Because I showed restraint? Because true desire does not trump the fact that I don't want him to hurt me by disappearing on me if I don't get naked on date 1?

What are you even talking about? What male shaming tactic? Defending myself from your spewing random nonsense about my relationship and my "desire" which you certainly seem to know a whole lot about is not a "male shaming tactic".

Jeez you're really struggling tonight aren't you? Again calm down! Where in my original post did I say 'Crystal castles does not have true desire for her boyfriend'? What is wrong with you? Are you even reading the same thread as I am? It baffles me how women can be so skewed/totally off mark some times.

March 23, 2015

Escorts are paid to say they enjoy it.

March 23, 2015

No one hates women here. No one is here typing an essay against women. No one is telling anyone to use women. These guys the OP is complaining about have stated beforehand that they want sex. That's called honesty.

Yeah, on here it's called honesty. On the street when they're lying and saying whatever they have to to get sex, that is the opposite of honesty. As I said before, I have no problem with two consenting adults having casual sex. I am, after all, a child of the 70s. But there's no reason to hate on women and call them nags just because they don't "just want sex."

March 23, 2015

So you met a few "escorts" who enjoyed it...
What on earth has that got to do with the German sex industry???

Sigh. Every time prostitution is mentioned people claim that the women are being forced to it. Gets annoying. My grandfather can go on weekends with high-end escorts and pays something like $2000. Trust me, she's not the one being exploited. The women who are indeed abused in sex trade are the ones you see working on the street.

Yeah, on here it's called honesty. On the street when they're lying and saying whatever they have to to get sex, that is the opposite of honesty. As I said before, I have no problem with two consenting adults having casual sex. I am, after all, a child of the 70s. But there's no reason to hate on women and call them nags just because they don't "just want sex."

Heh. Not so much as lying. More like women hear what they want to hear because they want to feel ''special.'' Dude, I wasn't calling women who don't put out 'nags'. Women who don't put out are women I don't bother much with.

When I do see a woman I'm attracted to I approach and I ask:

''yes or nor?'

Whatever the answer its fine by me.

Nags = wives and girlfriends. I do what I want when I want to. I don't have to consult anyone.

Escorts are paid to say they enjoy it.

In contrast to what? the butcher enjoying cutting meat for you? The doctor enjoying having his hands inside cancerous bowels?

Sure. As if there aren't plenty of married women who don't enjoy sex with their husbands. On the other hand, alimony is a pretty big payment, so it might be worth it.

Edited March 23, 2015 by Argos

March 23, 2015

I would assume they are bitter from bad experiences, and/or just generally unromantic. Both of which are a turn off.

Incurred as a result of dating or trying to date women. I agree it would be a turn off as it is for me when it comes to women with negative jerk/selfish/badboy baggage, but I'm sure said guys would much rather have ended up with better loving relationships.

'sleep with me first ' - I don't think that necessarily means they want to sleep with the woman on the first date, but it will mean they don't want to date women who hold off from sex until they are in a committed relationship. Its not like quite a few women are not phased from sleeping with lots of the better looking guys online on the first date either that I gather. As said before in this thread, sex is important for many guys when it comes to bonding. Sex is an important aspect of the relationship and if its great with the woman it will help seal the deal for her being a keeper for many guys. I've been in relationships where the sex was awesome and also other where it was just okay, and I found I enjoyed a better sex life with the women that were more lusty/flirty straight off. Unfortunately there are a lot of pump n dump guys and bullshytters out there online (the hotter he is to the woman the more likely the case I'd say) and sleeping with such guys asap just means its mission accomplished quicker.

March 23, 2015

The women who are indeed abused in sex trade are the ones you see working on the street.

Sigh!!

...And the women in legalised brothels in Germany.

March 23, 2015

Sheesh.....Time out....this thread has gone so much off topic, not even sure moderation has time for this.

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