Sex first

March 22, 2015

@Larry56 You're VERY stupid to say the least. If I could slap you through this computer screen I would.

Women are dysfunctional and create disorder and men are just trying to restore the order? lol. You're very foolish and so are the other men who think like you. And I know there are many of them (sadly). You even had the guts to refer to us as "goods", lol. No comment.

I'm not even going to argue with you. It seems to me that men and women simply want different things and we have to reach a compromise. We need to learn to respect and appreciate our differences and stop bashing each other. We are opposites and we think differently. We need to accept that and learn to live with it.

Just so you know, there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with your view of women but I'm not even going to go into all that. I don't have the strength or the time. HOPEFULLY someone else will be kind enough to help you figure it out.

March 22, 2015

As a male, you won't get empathy from a woman. It's not a trait they possess. The love the way you make them feel, they love what you can offer them, but they will never love you.

March 22, 2015

Hypothetical.

But do I need to explain myself to someone who takes something out of context and turns it into something negative?

Nope.

Interesting response.

Dallers...Auspecial just threw YOU an "arrow" ... why not throw her one back? Instead of shutting the whole thing down?

Or are YOU the only one who gets to throw that first arrow?

That doesn't seem quite fair, now does it?

Just sayin....

March 22, 2015

Interesting response.

Dallers...Auspecial just threw YOU an "arrow" ... why not throw her one back? Instead of shutting the whole thing down?

Or are YOU the only one who gets to throw that first arrow?

That doesn't seem quite fair, now does it?

Just sayin....

Haha impressive response. I like you katiegrl which is why I would probably be happy to explain myself to you because of the way you come across in your attack on me.

Testing the boundaries is no different to flirting i'm not talking about being nasty to someone i'm talking about showing you have a backbone and don't take everything too serious. It can quickly show you their true colours on online dating.

March 22, 2015

If you strip out the negative tone of Larry's post, I think the idea is worthy of discussion. A more polite way of paraphrasing would be that men are now starting to approach relationships in the same way as women have been. That is, prove to me that you are worthy first, and if you are, then I will let you into my life.

I'm sorry, I think both men and women of character just want someone nice, with a good heart and who they are attracted to. Nobody wants the bitter and mean portion of any gender population. And, a woman doesn't prove her worth through sex, but through who she is overall, kindness, values, stability (financial, emotional). Sex becomes part of the picture naturally, it's not to be given in advance to any random stranger.

Women have the responsibility to be self protective and let go of disrespectful men, who don't treat them well.

March 22, 2015

Nobody wants the bitter and mean portion of any gender population.

Very true. If anyone looks at the opposite gender and can only see the bad, and calls it all bad, and uses the Internet to rant at the opposite gender, then they will NOT be lucky in love. There are obnoxious users in both the XX and XY camps....no shortage on either side. Also, nice people on both sides as well. We can all accept that statement, right?

March 22, 2015

Haha impressive response. I like you katiegrl which is why I would probably be happy to explain myself to you because of the way you come across in your attack on me.

Testing the boundaries is no different to flirting i'm not talking about being nasty to someone i'm talking about showing you have a backbone and don't take everything too serious. It can quickly show you their true colours on online dating.

Appreciate the compliment.... ..... but my intention wasn't to "attack" you....and I'm sorry you interpreted that way.

Just a little fun banter...that's all...

March 22, 2015

Appreciate the compliment.... ..... but my intention wasn't to "attack" you....and I'm sorry you interpreted that way.

Just a little fun banter...that's all...

Oh dear giving too much away... Softy! :-)

Bottom line is a man that intends to find love waits for her advance. Once a sign is shown he will make his move. A man who makes a move without any influence and intends for it to play out on a first date is destined for the recycle bin.

March 22, 2015

I think it's unfortunate that both genders have boiled down to using the other to get whatever it is that "they" want from them, without regarding each other as a valuable human being, without respecting their differences as well as their commonalities, without appreciating the positive aspects of a person's disposition and being willing to compromise or assist them with the aspects of their disposition that can be improved upon. A person "hunting" people for the sole purpose of using them for sexual gratification is cheapening the human experience and has lowered it down to the level of how animals behave when they're in heat.

Of course, this is just my opinion. There will be some people who won't agree with my viewpoint and will lament how it is "natural" for both genders to seek each other out to have sexual intercourse for the purposes of "procreation", because it is biologically "hard wired" into men as well as women to seek out "companionship" and because it is natural for people to crave "touch". Regardless of those factors, there are many many people (especially women) who are NOT going to "prove their worth" to anyone by having sex with them right out of the gate.

And, contrary to what was said by a few male posters on here, those types of women who will hold out from having sex with a man right away until she is comfortable with him, gets to know him and until he has proved his worth to her in non-sexual ways will NOT "grow old and alone". I think this is where a lot of mens' bitterness and expressed misogyny comes from - because they expect the women that THEY are attracted to and desire to give up sex to them right away...and when they don't, they attribute it to the woman being "fickle", to her thinking she has a "golden vagina" and to her "not proving her 'worth' to him". A person's worth and value is more than how their genitalia can sexually satisfy another human being.

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March 22, 2015

I'm sorry, I think both men and women of character just want someone nice, with a good heart and who they are attracted to. Nobody wants the bitter and mean portion of any gender population. And, a woman doesn't prove her worth through sex, but through who she is overall, kindness, values, stability (financial, emotional). Sex becomes part of the picture naturally, it's not to be given in advance to any random stranger.

Women have the responsibility to be self protective and let go of disrespectful men, who don't treat them well.

Nah, that's what friends are for. Kindness, values, stability both financial and emotional. I get that from my friends. Now, I don't get sex from them unless its a FWB. So unless the lady in question doesn't mind that I have sex with other women while I'm getting to know her to allow myself to ascertain if I want to chill out with her for a bit she better make her sexual attraction to me visible.

By having sex with me. Plenty of folks with alike-minds I guess. She can always look for another guy who doesn't mind waiting around and spending time and money on her. Although I do have friends who've waited 3 months, some even 6 months before their ''girlfriends'' put out. Gotta admire those guys.

I think it's unfortunate that both genders have boiled down to using the other to get whatever it is that "they" want from them, without regarding each other as a valuable human being, without respecting their differences as well as their commonalities, without appreciating the positive aspects of a person's disposition and being willing to compromise or assist them with the aspects of their disposition that can be improved upon. A person "hunting" people for the sole purpose of using them for sexual gratification is cheapening the human experience and has lowered it down to the level of how animals behave when they're in heat.

Unless the guy pumps and dumps the women who have casual sex aren't being used for sex. There are indeed men who think nothing of making sure the woman is enjoying the sex. But I do take her pleasure into account. I can always meet new women through the women I have sex with and it pays me no good to let a woman think I'll just ''use'' her.

Edited March 22, 2015 by Argos

March 22, 2015

I've spoken to many men on pof. Most of them have only wanted sex. Some of them however have said they want to sleep with me first and then see how things go. What the hell does that mean? Sounds like they are just trying to get into my pants and then disappear. Am I correct? What do you think it means when men say they want to sleep with you first and then see how things go?

It means they're only after having sex with as many women as possible and are not looking for a relationship beyond that at this time and can't be trusted.

March 22, 2015

I think it's unfortunate that both genders have boiled down to using the other to get whatever it is that "they" want from them, without regarding each other as a valuable human being, without respecting their differences as well as their commonalities, without appreciating the positive aspects of a person's disposition and being willing to compromise or assist them with the aspects of their disposition that can be improved upon. A person "hunting" people for the sole purpose of using them for sexual gratification is cheapening the human experience and has lowered it down to the level of how animals behave when they're in heat.

Unless the guy is pumping and dumping - he's not using a woman when he asks or makes it clear he's interested in only casual sex. The issue is when he pretends to be interested in anything more. Then again, with how many women trick men into buying them drinks, free dinners and free attention, I'm going to be honest and say that both sexes should work for getting what they want with as little paid in return if possible.

Life is so short. Try to have as much fun as possible.

Of course, this is just my opinion. There will be some people who won't agree with my viewpoint and will lament how it is "natural" for both genders to seek each other out to have sexual intercourse for the purposes of "procreation", because it is biologically "hard wired" into men as well as women to seek out "companionship" and because it is natural for people to crave "touch". Regardless of those factors, there are many many people (especially women) who are NOT going to "prove their worth" to anyone by having sex with them right out of the gate.

Quite true. Human beings desire sex and human touch. had it not been so there would be no such thing as teenager pregnancy. Remarkable how with so many anti-conception methods to prevent pregnancy some of the young women who partake in sex still manage to become pregnant, either by not using proper protection or by going at it raw style.

Human beings - that is to say women and men - interact mostly for the purpose of sex or because they find the other sex attractive. I'm not going to enjoy a woman's company as much if I don't perceive her to be attractive. Same goes for women. They are going to cherish more deepely the company of good-looking men if they can.

of course there are people out there who are asexual and only want companionship without the sex. Nothing wrong with that.

Regardless of those factors, there are many many people (especially women) who are NOT going to "prove their worth" to anyone by having sex with them right out of the gate.

Doesn't matter to that many men. There's this niffy thing called Tinder where you can get laid whenever you want if you take care of yourself, especially so if you can get into the 18-25 crowd: those are mostly looking for fun.

And, contrary to what was said by a few male posters on here, those types of women who will hold out from having sex with a man right away until she is comfortable with him, gets to know him and until he has proved his worth to her in non-sexual ways will NOT "grow old and alone". I think this is where a lot of mens' bitterness and expressed misogyny comes from - because they expect the women that THEY are attracted to and desire to give up sex to them right away...and when they don't, they attribute it to the woman being "fickle", to her thinking she has a "golden vagina" and to her "not proving her 'worth' to him". A person's worth and value is more than how their genitalia can sexually satisfy another human being.

You're not understanding it. We don't care about growing old and alone. Men usually don't grow old and alone because we die sooner than women. There aren't that many guys who are healthy in their 50s let alone in their 60s and 70s. That is not my concern at all.

No one is expressing hatred for women.. we're simply aware that there is a transaction going on here. Resources, protection, money and time invested in exchange for sex. That's how it is since the birth of mankind regardless of how much money women might make nowadays, they aren't going to take a guy with little money seriously if they are looking for a relationship.

I love women. I love how they taste. How sweet their lips are. The scent coming out of their hair. The way they laugh and how much power they have over the male sex drive.

i simply don't have the patience to deal with them for more than a few hours because it takes a lot of effort to keep pretending that I care about them. I used to do it when I was younger and I was more than bewitched by the beauty of women but now the field is more or less the same and I can act however i want and still get laid.

because they expect the women that THEY are attracted to and desire to give up sex to them right away...and when they don't, they attribute it to the woman being "fickle", to her thinking she has a "golden vagina" and to her "not proving her 'worth' to him". A person's worth and value is more than how their genitalia can sexually satisfy another human being.

Not so much in that aspect of the matter. Its more likely that these guys ''bitterness''(which is to say, their lack of interest in paying up without being payed first) comes from seeing better-looking guys going up there and getting what they wanted in return for nothing, and then these same guys were expected to give commitment just for a kiss or whatever it was that they were trading sex for commitment back then. I suspect its still the same in college. Good-looking guys getting the free sex and the average fellas being offered only 2 options:

be the boyfriend(with all the expectations, obligations and needs to pay for it in any way or shape)

or go sexless.´

I went to high school in a high-income area. These young girls were from well-off families. Yet, when I was in the 10th grade I had this one guy who had failed the 10th grade so much, he was 19 years old. He was tall and well-built. handsome. Turns out, by the end of the year, 10 of the 20 girls were pregnant by him. The other 10 weren't because they got lucky. Yes, we are animals and if we can't get what we want from one person easily we should move on to the next person.

Edited March 22, 2015 by Argos

March 22, 2015

Unless the guy is pumping and dumping - he's not using a woman when he asks or makes it clear he's interested in only casual sex. The issue is when he pretends to be interested in anything more. Then again, with how many women trick men into buying them drinks, free dinners and free attention, I'm going to be honest and say that both sexes should work for getting what they want with as little paid in return if possible.

Life is so short. Try to have as much fun as possible.

Quite true. Human beings desire sex and human touch. had it not been so there would be no such thing as teenager pregnancy. Remarkable how with so many anti-conception methods to prevent pregnancy some of the young women who partake in sex still manage to become pregnant, either by not using proper protection or by going at it raw style.

Human beings - that is to say women and men - interact mostly for the purpose of sex or because they find the other sex attractive. I'm not going to enjoy a woman's company as much if I don't perceive her to be attractive. Same goes for women. They are going to cherish more deepely the company of good-looking men if they can.

of course there are people out there who are asexual and only want companionship without the sex. Nothing wrong with that.

Doesn't matter to that many men. There's this niffy thing called Tinder where you can get laid whenever you want if you take care of yourself, especially so if you can get into the 18-25 crowd: those are mostly looking for fun.

You're not understand it. We don't care about growing old and alone. Men usually don't grow old and alone because we die sooner than women. There aren't that many guys who are healthy in their 50s let alone in their 60s and 70s. That is not my concern at all.

No one is expressing hatred for women.. we're simply aware that there is a transaction going on here. Resources, protection, money and time invested in exchange for sex. That's how it is since the birth of mankind regardless of how much money women might make nowadays, they aren't going to take a guy with little money seriously if they are looking for a relationship.

I love women. I love how they taste. How sweet their lips are. The scent coming out of their hair. The way they laugh and how much power they have over the male sex drive.

i simply don't have the patience to deal with them for more than a few hours because it takes a lot of effort to keep pretending that I care about them. I used to do it when I was younger and I was more than bewitched by the beauty of women but now the field is more or less the same and I can act however i want and still get laid.

Not so much in that aspect of the matter. Its more likely that these guys ''bitterness''(which is to say, their lack of interest in paying up without being payed first) comes from seeing better-looking guys going up there and getting what they wanted in return for nothing, and then these same guys were expected to give commitment just for a kiss or whatever it was that they were trading sex for commitment back then. I suspect its still the same in college. Good-looking guys getting the free sex and the average fellas being offered only 2 options:

be the boyfriend(with all the expectations, obligations and needs to pay for it in any way or shape)

or go sexless.

It's interesting (and alarming) how you and a lot of other men only focus on "getting laid". There is no mention of getting to know a woman, building a friendship or rapport with her, feeling comfortable interacting with her, wanting to spend time with her doing fun things or even just enjoying her non-sexual company.

It's also ironic, how men with this attitude accuse women who "don't put out immediately" of regarding their vagina as "a prize" or as "golden", or as something "of high value" - yet, men like this only see womens' vaginas as just that: something that they relentlessly pursue to attain that seems to be of VERY HIGH VALUE to them. Using womens' vaginas for their sexual gratification because they "value" it very much...they just don't value the woman - the actual HUMAN BEING - that is attached to said vagina.

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March 22, 2015

Hypothetical.

But do I need to explain myself to someone who takes something out of context and turns it into something negative?

Nope.

I was asking a question, because I was and am unclear what you mean by "throwing arrows," and the idea that you get arrows back.

That's not negative, its a question.

You thought of the word arrows, which do happen to be a weapon.

March 22, 2015

I went to high school in a high-income area. These young girls were from well-off families. Yet, when I was in the 10th grade I had this one guy who had failed the 10th grade so much, he was 19 years old. He was tall and well-built. handsome. Turns out, by the end of the year, 10 of the 20 girls were pregnant by him. The other 10 weren't because they got lucky. Yes, we are animals and if we can't get what we want from one person easily we should move on to the next person.

You sound like an intelligent individual and please don't take this as a slam, but surely you do really believe a 10th grade rumor like this?!?? You do understand that guys talk smack about women all the time?!??

You don't really believe 20 out of 20 teens were impregnated by this one person who happened to be very attractive?!??

Please tell the guys who told you this is the 10th grade to show you the lab reports proving all these pregnancies.

Comments like OP make me feel there is no hope.

Edited April 21, 2015 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
Fix quote

March 22, 2015

*I meant to say "surely you don't believe..."

March 22, 2015

If you strip out the negative tone of Larry's post, I think the idea is worthy of discussion. A more polite way of paraphrasing would be that men are now starting to approach relationships in the same way as women have been. That is, prove to me that you are worthy first, and if you are, then I will let you into my life.

Thats all fine and good, but in my experience, the guys who do this are not able to see the proof. They have already decided how "all women are," and no amount of proof will change that.

March 22, 2015

It's interesting (and alarming) how you and a lot of other men only focus on "getting laid". There is no mention of getting to know a woman, building a friendship or rapport with her, feeling comfortable interacting with her, wanting to spend time with her doing fun things or even just enjoying her non-sexual company.

It's also ironic, how men with this attitude accuse women who "don't put out immediately" of regarding their vagina as "a prize" or as "golden", or as something "of high value" - yet, men like this only see womens' vaginas as just that: something that they relentlessly pursue to attain that seems to be of VERY HIGH VALUE to them. Using womens' vaginas for their sexual gratification because they "value" it very much...they just don't value the woman - the actual HUMAN BEING - that is attached to said vagina.

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Exactly BlackOps, great point.

Men (with this attitude) admit the ONLY value a woman has is her vagina (sex) ...then turn around and criticize that same woman for placing a high value on her own vagina (sexuality).

Oh the irony!

To the men -- if you think it's wrong for women to regard their vaginas with such high value, and you want that to change, then YOU need to STOP placing such a high value on their vaginas yourself.

March 22, 2015

I think it's unfortunate that both genders have boiled down to using the other to get whatever it is that "they" want from them, without regarding each other as a valuable human being, without respecting their differences as well as their commonalities, without appreciating the positive aspects of a person's disposition and being willing to compromise or assist them with the aspects of their disposition that can be improved upon. A person "hunting" people for the sole purpose of using them for sexual gratification is cheapening the human experience and has lowered it down to the level of how animals behave when they're in heat.

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I have to believe that not everyone of both genders has degraded this much, despite what is a rampant thought.

I believe most of us want a good solid individual in our lives.

But many of us either never knew what that is, or have forgotten.

March 22, 2015

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Think of it just like this. Fifty Shades of Grey. You want the man who Grey portrays yes? who wouldn't and many of us do our best to portray those qualities because being the type of man women want is our main focus.

What we expect in return, is Anastasia. Nothing Less.

..........but, No, we do not want the Grey character. Do you remember (other than what a poorly written, cheesy book it was) that he was also "50 shades of f**ked up?" No, we don't want a f**ked up man.

March 22, 2015

I'm sorry, I think both men and women of character just want someone nice, with a good heart and who they are attracted to. Nobody wants the bitter and mean portion of any gender population. And, a woman doesn't prove her worth through sex, but through who she is overall, kindness, values, stability (financial, emotional). Sex becomes part of the picture naturally, it's not to be given in advance to any random stranger.

Women have the responsibility to be self protective and let go of disrespectful men, who don't treat them well.

Thank You! <3

March 22, 2015

>>She did not faulter on any point when I started throwing arrows at her...

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What type of arrows were you throwing? Can you give examples for context?

I am wondering how I might have reacted when faced with those same arrows.....

Yeah, especially after having the true experience of waking up to crazy ex bf shooting arrows over my head with a cross bow. So yes, I did perk up when I saw the word arrows.

LOL

March 22, 2015

Thank you for pulling all of the summarized "Feminazi" "MGTOW" threads etc and dumping them into this post for all so that the vast majority of women (98.9%) who read it go, "oh eff, another one. I do bathe, take care of things, am interested in my partner while he just rolls over after jerking off to porn and whining about his socks not being put away where he likes."

And really? ALL women have guys they use?

What?

I have to start putting posters up in the neighbourhood:

MISSING: Posse of men that need to be used, you guys were supposed to show up with money, flowers, cake and new shoes for me. Instead I am stuck here being a single Mom struggling like Hell after my husband went back to alcohol, completely came undone and abandoned us to go live in the back of his car and panhandle. Posse of men, I am not even received child support from the man I have been married to for 10 years. He has sent me $100.00 since the day he left, please hurry with extra money and stuff for me. It's difficult only having Sundays off and having to go to the food bank to make ends meet in this very expensive city. Can't find time to date and use people when I am working six days a week, have my daughter solely on my own and church on Sunday. By the way, I accept cash or cheque, because it's not prostitution if you like me and I still won't sleep with you!

You know what?

It seems to me that women are just pissed now because they don't get the good end of the deal like they used to.

What does that mean?

That means before there was sex..;

Men used to take Women on dates,
Men used to listen to Women's problems,
Men would help a woman expand her social circle and make new contacts
Men would be romantic...

Men would do all these things to court a woman,
and a woman would show that like a man, she is going to be a commodity to the relationship. She might show her value by being invested in his dream. She would make his life easier by running errands for him, getting on with his parents, making him feel like a man, cooking for him (yeesh)...

But guess what happened.

Somewhere along the line Women got told that they were special snowflakes (all of you) and that the WORLD needs to CATER to YOUR needs and all you have to do is sit on your fat asses and eat applebees and some guy (somewhere) will come and bow down on the altar of your absolute 'greatness' because you know. Your a woman and you "deserve it" without having to lift a finger.

So what seems to me is that Men are just doing what they know is the logical thing for them. I'm gonna say that out of the 20 women I've dated in the last year and a half. I would say, only 1 of them has barely scratched the surface of what I'm looking for in a girl. Self-obsessed, self-absorbed little princesses are out there getting their asses handed to them, because they don't understand what it is to provide 'value' to anyone else's life.

So guess what happened. The average guy these days sees that it isn't really what you do for a woman that seems to get her attention. Why is that?

Well, the sensitive emotional guy who asked you out when you were younger wasn't very attractive physically, he didn't have much status and he wasn't as charming as you would have liked at the time. So you rejected him ...and So what did you do later that day? oh that's right, you went and had sex with the football quarter-back on the first night you met. You know, the guy who doesn't really care about you, the guy who is hot and dumb, you know - the guy who spins your emotions.

So what guys realize is that it's more about what "he has" opposed to what he can do for the girl. In this case it's a guy's status or 'fame'.

But let's continue,

All I hear is women complaining that guys use them for sex, then leave. But you women use guys ALL the TIME.

All women have a whole bunch of guys they use constantly. It's for their own self-validation. They have guy "friends" who they talk to and receive compliments from. They have guys around who will take them out for lunch and listen to them bitch about their impotent crack dealer of a boyfriend who's living on welfare and can't get it up in the sack. You'll call this guy on a daily basis and he'll hold your hair while you vomiting at a party after taking too many tequila shots.

So guess what, YOU take what you WANT out of a relationship and leave what you DON'T want (Just like guys are).

Men are taking SEX out of a girl and leaving what they DON'T want. A relationship.

If you're unreliable, high maintenance, and who is just going to complain all the time, it ain't MATTER how good even your sex-game is. You've already lost. Us guys DO NOT NEED someone who is going to bring us problems and more trouble. That's what we are constantly trying to defeat. We are trying to eradicate dysfunction and create ORDER. Yes I know you women can't function without some kind of DRAMAAAAAA, but you gotta understand men are different from women. No matter how much your male feminist/feminist bulldyke talk about how men and women are just social constructs and everything is socialization blah blah blah.

It also comes down to the fact that marriage has no economic advantages anymore, especially with the kind of attitudes women today (relegating men to their man caves because the kids need more space then him) and the divorce courts (which typically favour women) which means you'll be a slave to an alimony cheque for the rest of your lives.

So at long last let me just say to end this post is. Guys try to get sex early because that's what WE want. We want to sample the goods and see if this is going to be a good thing. Stop trying to analyse us based on your own romantic interpretations of relationships. That's your problem!

Steps to take

1) Develop an interesting personality.
2) Bath and groom yourself.
3) Be interested in a Man's dream.
3) Ask interesting questions and be interested in other people.
4) Build value by providing 'something' that will be 'beneficial' to a Man.

Okay I know I may have sounded obnoxious while writing this post but I really do care but I think most of this will fly over most women's heads because they are so stuck up their own butts. The guys get this and understand this. Also don't listen to your feminist friends or else you'll just end up bitter and lonely for the rest of your life because it was easiar to hate men then understand their needs.

March 22, 2015

MGTOW? What's that?

March 22, 2015

As a male, you won't get empathy from a woman. It's not a trait they possess. The love the way you make them feel, they love what you can offer them, but they will never love you.

I married a homeless man,

He had quit drinking for a year before I married him.

His personality and the time we spent together touched my heart in ways that still affect me.

He chose to go back to his old like after ten years together and a series of poor choices.

I have loads of empathy for him, to the point where it has embroiled me in what is now a toxic relationship. I deeply, deeply miss him and the time we spent together. He was an excellent husband when he cared about himself, me, our daughter and the impact his choices made.

I would give practically anything I had from my future or past for him to get well and feel happy again. I didn't care what he could or could not provide, more about the efforts he put in and didn't put in. Over the last six years, his efforts consistently dwindled and he became more involved with his addiction. Then he started disappearing. Then it became more consistent. Now he has been here 2 nights in the past month. I have asked him to get help. He said "he will" but he's said that before and I believe that he feels absolutely helpless about his addiction and our marriage.

Yes, I love him. You can see a picture of us in my albuq

It's attitudes like the quoted that cause animosity and hate. They also are not valid. Some women are bitter hateful and gender-oriented, just like the attitude above.

In generalizing all women as the quoted, you also limit men. You limit men's ability to perceive love coming from women that love them deeply and empathize with them.

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