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Young men don't dream of relationships and babies. They dream of being a stud and bedding many women.

 

When they feel drawn to a woman, it is first about desire to have sex with her. Any desire to have a relationship needs time to develop.

 

Women have relationship fantasies that are quite irrational if you think about it. Just meeting a man and fantasizing about him being your boyfriend is no more rational than dreaming about bedding lots of women.

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Sure everyone whats to meet someone special and fall in love and everything but that happens with time. It's best to keep your guard up and go in with the mindset that you're only going in for something casual. That way when they dump you for their ex, and you realize you were just a rebound after two months of dating, you can just move on to the next one. :D

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Leigh, google the MGTOW movement....

 

You will find the answer to your question in the many articles and you tube videos discussing it...

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So many stereotypes and bitterness in this thread. I prefer what I have now over casual sex with a lot of women but in the mean time I found a FWB who I could have fun with. I didn't think any less of her because of it but she annoyed me in other ways.

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My mindset in real life dating and online is everything is casual until she proves herself and makes me want otherwise. You can't go into the process with anyone automatically wanting something serious because then things get forced and don't develop naturally.

 

This is exactly why so many women online have such a hard time. Instead of keeping things fun/casual and becoming more serious as things progress, they have a "I want to have a boyfriend now" mindset. So they start interviewing guys, acting really uptight and guarded, etc.. That's why I've really disliked online and approach it with skepticism.

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In short:

 

- why do so many men state that they aren't looking for anything serious?

 

- surely they want to meet the girl who knocks their socks off, they have explosive sex with and who they can actually grow to love?

 

- how do people enjoy sensless *****ing as opposed to finding a true connection?

 

- having a connection and spark, with a person who you can actually fall in love with is soooooo much better than just banging any old person who you can palate and tolerate enough for them to get naked and do the deed.

 

 

Why do so many men on online dating websites state in their profiles that they want casual, " nothing serious" or "fwb"? I just don't see the appeal. I mean, I want to fall crazy in love and find a man who falls head over heels for me, and me them - but I am cool with waiting a few years well into my 30's and 40's to find the real deal of intense chemistry and compatibility - I just don't feel the need to sleep mindlessly with people in the meanwhile UNLESS we date and there is potential there for it to be the "real deal".....

 

These men seem to PREFER casual and meaningless sex with women who are nothing more than a "hole" to them? Sorry I have been there and tried casual and I found it to be disgusting. Just the notion of sharing bodily fluids with a guy who isn't into you:sick:

 

The sex is just so, so so much better when you are really into someone.

 

Do some people just have cold hearts and lack empathy and therefore do not feel the need to fall crazy in love with a person who means the world to them one day?

 

Or have they given up on finding a woman who knocks their socks off, whom they are really into and who is good enough to make them want to give up sex with hot women? Perhaps some of them aren't aware that it could potentially just "happen" for them one day?

 

 

 

 

 

Any thoughts....

 

Love is expensive for men. You have to date them(women), take them out, pay for the gasoline and whatever else it takes for you to get there, and then you also have to spend a lot of time on the cellphone, spending money and spending time getting to know her and then you have to find out if she's attracted to you or if she's just stringing you along for gifts/drinks/attention/ego-validation and what not.

 

And if you do get into a relationship with a woman you spend a huge amount of money long-term on her and time. Besides, I always found it absurd to spend time and money on a woman, in getting to know her and what not, when I know many if not most women have had FWBs and one-night stands with guys who didn't even bother to learn their name.

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Love is expensive for men. You have to date them(women), take them out, pay for the gasoline and whatever else it takes for you to get there, and then you also have to spend a lot of time on the cellphone, spending money and spending time getting to know her and then you have to find out if she's attracted to you or if she's just stringing you along for gifts/drinks/attention/ego-validation and what not.

 

And if you do get into a relationship with a woman you spend a huge amount of money long-term on her and time. Besides, I always found it absurd to spend time and money on a woman, in getting to know her and what not, when I know many if not most women have had FWBs and one-night stands with guys who didn't even bother to learn their name.

 

Dating is expensive if you think inside the box and aren't creative with date planning. I can seriously spend less on ten dates than some guys spend on three. In times when I'm single, I research creative date ideas and scout locations.

 

Like on my last date for example. We both got a single scoop of ice cream (cost $5 total), got it to go, and then went to the public community center building in the gated community where my folks live. Upstairs, there is a free pool table and couches to sit on. Plus, later at night during the week no one goes in. So it's private unlike a pool hall. She had a blast and I already have another date set up with her. So it's a misconception that you have to spend tons of money on women.

 

Granted, treating a woman that has shown value to bigger dates is something I really enjoy. But in the beginning when I'm casually dating multiple women, my goal is to spend $20 or less on dates and I can usually get away with $10. Not only would it get expensive to go on expensive dinners, buying drinks, etc multiple times a week but it's a great way to test a woman's intentions. If she likes me for me, she doesn't care what we do. It's the high maintenance women and ones looking for free meals that drift after a few dates.

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My mindset in real life dating and online is everything is casual until she proves herself and makes me want otherwise. You can't go into the process with anyone automatically wanting something serious because then things get forced and don't develop naturally.

 

This is exactly why so many women online have such a hard time. Instead of keeping things fun/casual and becoming more serious as things progress, they have a "I want to have a boyfriend now" mindset. So they start interviewing guys, acting really uptight and guarded, etc.. That's why I've really disliked online and approach it with skepticism.

 

^^This!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am also in the 'nothing too serious' crowd and also female.

It does not mean I will sleep with a man. I have a choice and it takes me a while to get to the sleeping with stage.

 

 

I don't want a man to go all guns blazing and rush things and that is just what always happens especially with OLD (so far in my experience) and women can rush things too so I don't blame guys for wanting to meet but stating 'not too serious'.

 

 

If I saw a mans profile stating he would be 100% committed from day one it would freak me out - there's quite a few profiles out there like that and I have always avoided them.

 

 

Dating is about taking time to get to know each other and taking things a day at a time.

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If I saw a mans profile stating he would be 100% committed from day one it would freak me out - there's quite a few profiles out there like that and I have always avoided them.

 

 

Dating is about taking time to get to know each other and taking things a day at a time.

 

Exactly. That's why I stress on my profile that "my eventual goal" is to be in a LTR with "the right woman".

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Dating is expensive if you think inside the box and aren't creative with date planning. I can seriously spend less on ten dates than some guys spend on three. In times when I'm single, I research creative date ideas and scout locations.

 

Like on my last date for example. We both got a single scoop of ice cream (cost $5 total), got it to go, and then went to the public community center building in the gated community where my folks live. Upstairs, there is a free pool table and couches to sit on. Plus, later at night during the week no one goes in. So it's private unlike a pool hall. She had a blast and I already have another date set up with her. So it's a misconception that you have to spend tons of money on women.

 

Granted, treating a woman that has shown value to bigger dates is something I really enjoy. But in the beginning when I'm casually dating multiple women, my goal is to spend $20 or less on dates and I can usually get away with $10. Not only would it get expensive to go on expensive dinners, buying drinks, etc multiple times a week but it's a great way to test a woman's intentions. If she likes me for me, she doesn't care what we do. It's the high maintenance women and ones looking for free meals that drift after a few dates.

 

Attractive women are used to having men spend exorbitant amounts of money on them. if you want to date them, they are going to heavily tax you. On the other hand, if the woman finds you attractive she will put out easily and without any expense on your part because in her mind you were just her ''have fun'' guy. You are also in competition with every guy out there for the attentions of a hot girlfriend. Not only are you spending time and money on her and I assure you it won't be little: you will also always be high-pressed to keep the attractive woman as your girlfriend because there'll always be richer, better-looking men who'll want her.

 

When I was in college I dated an exquisitively beautiful young woman. Due to her beauty and all that, she was extremely expensive. Well, it was worth it I guess but I'm not going to repeat the same experience.

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I'm in the U.S. South, considering late 30s to 40s men, and I find that about the same ratio as ever are looking for something serious. I chat with plenty of attractive guys who state outright that they are ready for marriage and a family. We usually discuss our intentions pretty quickly. I politely decline anyone looking for anything less serious than a relationship.

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Attractive women are used to having men spend exorbitant amounts of money on them. if you want to date them, they are going to heavily tax you. On the other hand, if the woman finds you attractive she will put out easily and without any expense on your part because in her mind you were just her ''have fun'' guy. You are also in competition with every guy out there for the attentions of a hot girlfriend. Not only are you spending time and money on her and I assure you it won't be little: you will also always be high-pressed to keep the attractive woman as your girlfriend because there'll always be richer, better-looking men who'll want her.

 

When I was in college I dated an exquisitively beautiful young woman. Due to her beauty and all that, she was extremely expensive. Well, it was worth it I guess but I'm not going to repeat the same experience.

 

Once again, you have the wrong mindset. A guy that's truly confident and secure, knows that his personality and skills in bed are the two things that keep a woman in his life. Not how much money he spends on her. Obviously if a guy wants to spend tons of money on a woman, she isn't going to be a fool and turn it down. But if you're emotionally tuned with a woman, push her buttons, and rock her world in bed, that same hot woman will be happy people watching an enjoying a frozen yogurt.

 

I'm a trainer and am around GORGEROUS women all the time. My last GF was an 11. She was that hot. You want to know what my first date with her was? Walking around in Barnes and Noble chatting and using the sections of the store to get to know her in a creative way. She said that it was the most fun, creative date she'd ever been on and loved that I didn't take her to some lame dinner or over the top expensive date.

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The annoying thing is - as a woman we do not WANT to ever get approached online for casual!

 

We all likely have plenty of contacts in our phones and in our every day life - exes, friends and perfect strangers if we were to walk to our local shops and hit up a guy for casual!

 

We don't need strangers propositioning us online, most average women HAVE sex ready for them whenever they fancy it! No need for us to go online for it unless you have seriously back luck of course.....

 

True enough. Average and below average women can find easy sex. They can even find sex with good-looking men. The thing is. I don't see the point of being in a relationship. I can cook and I can clean. I can entertain myself. I have friends and I have family. I'm not interested in having children and I'm not interested in another job(a relationship). Relationships are a lot of work. And relationships can be broken apart quite easily.

 

Women love casual sex too.

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I can sympathize with Leigh's frustration with regard to the topic of her thread. I used to feel the way that she does; but, about six months ago, I've finally realized and accepted the reality of how the world works and - much more importantly - what most mens' intentions truly are.

 

Most guys will enter into a long term relationship only if the woman is sexually and physically attractive, if she meets all of their personality criteria, if she gives him sex on demand, if she is low maintenance, if she has a lucrative career or at minimum a good paying job, if she is submissive sexually (and otherwise) and if she reveres him each and every day without stating her own opinion or point of view about anything and does not "nag" him about anything. If she actually loves him and he actually loves her, that would be icing on the cake for them.

 

Since such a woman who possesses all of these traits is very difficult for most guys to find, they would much rather have mindless and empty sex with a variety of women because at least this satiates their need for sexual satisfaction and their need to be touched by women.

 

Sadly, the experience that I had with my ex-boyfriend of the chemistry, sensual and sexual passion and the strong love that we shared...will be my last. I no longer believe that I'll ever find that again with any other man, because of the universal truth that I have accepted via the epiphany I had six months ago. What I have experienced in my last relationship and that which Leigh speaks of and is in the hopes of finding is something that is a rarity. I am glad to have experienced it at least once in my life! Some people go through their ENTIRE lives and NEVER experience that type of love and passion.

 

OP, I wish you luck in your quest for explosive passion, incredible chemistry and true love with one guy. But, may I say to you, that you're going to have to change your mindset about this...and that you'll just have to accept the world for what it is and accept the way most men are. You may find that special guy someday; but, until you do, changing your mindset may help you to not be so frustrated about the guys that you meet whose only intention is to use you as a ONS or a FWB. Those guys may have given up on finding "The One" and may be just as frustrated (if not more so) than you are.

 

There's nothing wrong with you stating your romantic objectives to the guys you date, but try not to let them sense your negativity with regard to this topic. Try to keep an open mind...just date each guy that you like and see where it leads...if he doesn't have the same romantic objectives that you do and if you do not feel that explosive sexual chemistry with him, then cut him loose and move on to the next one. Personally though, I'm spiritually and emotionally drained from this process of dating; which is why I'm taking a hiatus. If I meet a special guy during this phase who is looking for the same thing that I am, then that'll be awesome! But, for me, I know I won't be searching for it (or "him") anymore.

 

~ God Bless!

 

 

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I'm a trainer and am around GORGEROUS women all the time. My last GF was an 11. She was that hot. You want to know what my first date with her was? Walking around in Barnes and Noble chatting and using the sections of the store to get to know her in a creative way. She said that it was the most fun, creative date she'd ever been on and loved that I didn't take her to some lame dinner or over the top expensive date.

 

My 2nd date with my ex was at Barnes and Noble - a free date! And I loved it. I loved browsing all the different sections with him.

 

The most expensive date I've ever been on was about $15.

 

Lots of girls really aren't that expensive.

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I can sympathize with Leigh's frustration with regard to the topic of her thread. I used to feel the way that she does; but, about six months ago, I've finally realized and accepted the reality of how the world works and - much more importantly - what most mens' intentions truly are.

 

Most guys will enter into a long term relationship only if the woman is sexually and physically attractive, if she meets all of their personality criteria, if she gives him sex on demand, if she is low maintenance, if she has a lucrative career or at minimum a good paying job, if she is submissive sexually (and otherwise) and if she reveres him each and every day without stating her own opinion or point of view about anything and does not "nag" him about anything. If she actually loves him and he actually loves her, that would be icing on the cake for them.

 

Since such a woman who possesses all of these traits is very difficult for most guys to find, they would much rather have mindless and empty sex with a variety of women because at least this satiates their need for sexual satisfaction and their need to be touched by women.

 

Sadly, the experience that I had with my ex-boyfriend of the chemistry, sensual and sexual passion and the strong love that we shared...will be my last. I no longer believe that I'll ever find that again with any other man, because of the universal truth that I have accepted via the epiphany I had six months ago. What I have experienced in my last relationship and that which Leigh speaks of and is in the hopes of finding is something that is a rarity. I am glad to have experienced it at least once in my life! Some people go through their ENTIRE lives and NEVER experience that type of love and passion.

 

OP, I wish you luck in your quest for explosive passion, incredible chemistry and true love with one guy. But, may I say to you, that you're going to have to change your mindset about this...and that you'll just have to accept the world for what it is and accept the way most men are. You may find that special guy someday; but, until you do, changing your mindset may help you to not be so frustrated about the guys that you meet whose only intention is to use you as a ONS or a FWB. Those guys may have given up on finding "The One" and may be just as frustrated (if not more so) than you are.

 

There's nothing wrong with you stating your romantic objectives to the guys you date, but try not to let them sense your negativity with regard to this topic. Try to keep an open mind...just date each guy that you like and see where it leads...if he doesn't have the same romantic objectives that you do and if you do not feel that explosive sexual chemistry with him, then cut him loose and move on to the next one. Personally though, I'm spiritually and emotionally drained from this process of dating; which is why I'm taking a hiatus. If I meet a special guy during this phase who is looking for the same thing that I am, then that'll be awesome! But, for me, I know I won't be searching for it (or "him") anymore.

 

~ God Bless!

 

 

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I believe that its a matter of being fair, a sort of karma. Most women - including the women of average and even below average looks - have the upper hand when they are young. Look at how many guys in their late teens and up to their mid teens are either being strung along by women who are interested in nothing more than attention-boosters, or are interesting in getting free stuff. I knew plenty of decent-looking men with decent bodies who were hung up on very average women, and somehow these young ladies weren't interested in relationships. At least not in relationships with them. They tried to catch that elusive pokemon ;)

 

Then we have the young women who are in relationships with men they aren't attracted to, as it once happened to me, and the lady in question was nothing special. Actually below-average when compared with the young women surrounding her.

 

I didn't grow bitter over it. I just worked on myself and applied myself at college.

 

Now, women in their 30s rarely if ever date for fun. If a guy attempts to date one he's hounded with ''do you want to get married, do you want children etc.'' No. Just as young women were in very high demand, men who are in their 30s and with their stuff put together are now the social/relationship male equivalent. Nothing wrong with guys being honest with what they want. They want to get laid. Now they have to social capital to have what they want. No point in dating.

 

 

Once again, you have the wrong mindset. A guy that's truly confident and secure, knows that his personality and skills in bed are the two things that keep a woman in his life. Not how much money he spends on her. Obviously if a guy wants to spend tons of money on a woman, she isn't going to be a fool and turn it down. But if you're emotionally tuned with a woman, push her buttons, and rock her world in bed, that same hot woman will be happy people watching an enjoying a frozen yogurt.

 

I'm a trainer and am around GORGEROUS women all the time. My last GF was an 11. She was that hot. You want to know what my first date with her was? Walking around in Barnes and Noble chatting and using the sections of the store to get to know her in a creative way. She said that it was the most fun, creative date she'd ever been on and loved that I didn't take her to some lame dinner or over the top expensive date.

 

Why would I want to keep a woman in my life? With the vast majority of men being overweight, even obese, its not hard to be granted female attention. You can even reach higher if you spend time and effort on your body. Yes, but I'm not really interested in dating even if its for free. I'd rather chill, hang out. If she's into me, she'll put out. if not at least I didn't miss on my favorite TV show or something.

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First, there are plenty of both men and women today who want just casual. My last relationship I wanted more, she wanted casual.

 

 

Second, you make a whole long rant about how women don't need casual from online because they have guys everywhere and can get sex whenever they want. Entitled much? You are basically saying guys owe it to women to never look for casual online because all women just have guys falling over them and guys are all desperate looking for someone to ****.

 

 

Seems to me you have a warped view of the world where instead of men and women being equal, as well as everyone being entitled to their own opinions and approaches, you feel that women are just inherently better than men and therefore men need to change their behavior to match what those amazing women want.

 

 

 

 

Hate to tell you but, I have sex a phone call away at any point in time and I'm a guy. It isn't just women that have those options. And although I'm more interested in an actual relationship, if I want to go online and say I'm looking for something casual, I have every right to do so.

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First, there are plenty of both men and women today who want just casual. My last relationship I wanted more, she wanted casual.

 

 

Second, you make a whole long rant about how women don't need casual from online because they have guys everywhere and can get sex whenever they want. Entitled much? You are basically saying guys owe it to women to never look for casual online because all women just have guys falling over them and guys are all desperate looking for someone to ****.

 

 

Seems to me you have a warped view of the world where instead of men and women being equal, as well as everyone being entitled to their own opinions and approaches, you feel that women are just inherently better than men and therefore men need to change their behavior to match what those amazing women want.

 

 

 

 

Hate to tell you but, I have sex a phone call away at any point in time and I'm a guy. It isn't just women that have those options. And although I'm more interested in an actual relationship, if I want to go online and say I'm looking for something casual, I have every right to do so.

 

I got that feeling from the OP too. Its like, somehow she thinks the women who have ONS and FWBS are abused and used by the men they have casual sex with. Like, it seems she doesn't believe women can have sex with a man they have no feelings for. That sexual attraction also has to go hand in hand with romantic feelings for women to want to have sex.

 

Lady, I remember how college life was. And women weren't waking up at 5 am to get their make-up ready + fashionable clothes + whatever to find that great love.

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I believe that its a matter of being fair, a sort of karma. Most women - including the women of average and even below average looks - have the upper hand when they are young. Look at how many guys in their late teens and up to their mid teens are either being strung along by women who are interested in nothing more than attention-boosters, or are interesting in getting free stuff. I knew plenty of decent-looking men with decent bodies who were hung up on very average women, and somehow these young ladies weren't interested in relationships. At least not in relationships with them. They tried to catch that elusive pokemon ;)

 

Then we have the young women who are in relationships with men they aren't attracted to, as it once happened to me, and the lady in question was nothing special. Actually below-average when compared with the young women surrounding her.

 

I didn't grow bitter over it. I just worked on myself and applied myself at college.

 

Now, women in their 30s rarely if ever date for fun. If a guy attempts to date one he's hounded with ''do you want to get married, do you want children etc.'' No. Just as young women were in very high demand, men who are in their 30s and with their stuff put together are now the social/relationship male equivalent. Nothing wrong with guys being honest with what they want. They want to get laid. Now they have to social capital to have what they want. No point in dating.

 

Well, it's good that your negative dating/relationship experiences didn't make you bitter - instead, it made you focus more on improving yourself and applying yourself to your education.

 

Yes, there's nothing wrong with guys being honest about what they truly want - just to get "laid". But, maybe, there are a few scant guys out there that want a little bit more (or a lot more) than that - hopefully that's true, because it is THAT specific kind of guy that Leigh is searching for!

 

Alternatively, there's also nothing wrong with a woman being honest about what she truly wants - to find sexual passion, amazing chemistry and true love with a man who has stellar character traits; Leigh isn't the only woman who is searching for this and who believes that they will eventually find it.

 

If the last sentence of your post is true, then why are there so many guys on OLD sites and why are so many of them dating IRL?

 

 

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Well, it's good that your negative dating/relationship experiences didn't make you bitter - instead, it made you focus more on improving yourself and applying yourself to your education.

 

Yes, there's nothing wrong with guys being honest about what they truly want - just to get "laid". But, maybe, there are a few scant guys out there that want a little bit more (or a lot more) than that - hopefully that's true, because it is THAT specific kind of guy that Leigh is searching for!

 

Alternatively, there's also nothing wrong with a woman being honest about what she truly wants - to find sexual passion, amazing chemistry and true love with a man who has stellar character traits; Leigh isn't the only woman who is searching for this and who believes that they will eventually find it.

 

If the last sentence of your post is true, then why are there so many guys on OLD sites and why are so many of them dating IRL?

 

 

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True. There are men interested in relationships. They might not be the best-looking out of the lot of single men, but they are still pretty decent. There are also attractive men into relationships. Although I did meet a few who dated absolute beauties and they'd dump these women as soon as the relationship became difficult. I dunno, maybe the OP will have better luck.

 

I don't know. I don't think there are many men out there who are looking for relationships. We have the younger men who've given up and focus their attentions on video games and what not, and then we have the young professionals who've moved to the big city and now discovered they are in high demand. Those guys are going to play the field.

 

I am aware that women are looking for all of that. I wish her good-luck. Even Ulysses found his way home.

 

Men who are online are trying to get laid. Obese men still want to get laid, you know. Most of the men who go at it via dating can't attract women just for casual, no-strings attached sex. Given the chance most men are going to only want it for free.

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OK ladies listen up....Online or irl it doesn't matter. The main goal for guys in general is to get sex, it's just the way it is. Getting a relationship is not their first priority but it is always a possibility with all men, depending if it's the right girl or not. So if you want to find a guy that wants to be in a relationship WITH YOU, then you need to keep your legs closed until he proves his worth/ actually cares about you. Pretty simple.

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OK ladies listen up....Online or irl it doesn't matter. The main goal for guys in general is to get sex, it's just the way it is. Getting a relationship is not their first priority but it is always a possibility with all men, depending if it's the right girl or not. So if you want to find a guy that wants to be in a relationship WITH YOU, then you need to keep your legs closed until he proves his worth/ actually cares about you. Pretty simple.

 

I have to highly disagree with the above quoted comment, I, like some other men, are not lead by our penis. After what I've been through, finding someone who I can be comfortable with is much higher in importance than sticking my d!ck in a hole.

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OK ladies listen up....Online or irl it doesn't matter. The main goal for guys in general is to get sex, it's just the way it is. Getting a relationship is not their first priority but it is always a possibility with all men, depending if it's the right girl or not. So if you want to find a guy that wants to be in a relationship WITH YOU, then you need to keep your legs closed until he proves his worth/ actually cares about you. Pretty simple.

 

 

Okay. Best (and most truest) post so far in this entire thread.:cool:

 

 

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I have to highly disagree with the above quoted comment, I, like some other men, are not lead by our penis. After what I've been through, finding someone who I can be comfortable with is much higher in importance than sticking my d!ck in a hole.

 

Well then, YOU are a unicorn in the sea of life my friend.

 

 

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