I can't believe some of my coworkers would rather take unemployment than move to a

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new location.

 

That rumor that was going around has not been confirmed yet but a staff meeting was announced today and then pushed to next week. Everyone believes it's about us moving to the new location and some people don't want to go at all. Some even said they would accept unemployment than go to the new spot. Now I agree the new area is awful and I would not be crazy about working there but I have to follow the money. My commute now is 20 mins and it will go to about 35-40 when traveling to the new location.

 

And do these people really believe that they would layoff people off if they requested because of not wanting to go to the new spot? I didn't want to tell them but the only choices they have is moving or fired lol One girl said she would even go on welfare before going to the new area.

 

Since I been laid off 4 times between 2009 and 2013, moving to me is no big deal since Im still working

[WonderWoman911]

Wow, they rather get unemployment! The new location must be extremely dangerous or something!

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Wow, they rather get unemployment! The new location must be extremely dangerous or something!

 

it looks very bad and the current place we are in the rent became too high. I think I heard $500,000. So since so much money is going to be save by going to a undesirable area we all should get raises

[Bobbi7]

Describe "undesirable area." I'm curious to know..

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Describe "undesirable area." I'm curious to know..

 

The Ghetto

[WonderWoman911]

Well with them deciding to get unemployment/being on welfare rather than working,soon they'll be living in the ghetto, as you say. They're idiots to allowed that factor to affect their income.

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Well with them deciding to get unemployment/being on welfare rather than working,soon they'll be living in the ghetto, as you say. They're idiots to allowed that factor to affect their income.

 

One of the girls didn't know Unemployment is only 6 months:laugh:

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And they will only have 2 choices

 

1. Get fired......no unemployment

 

2. Move to the new location

[Lernaean_Hydra]

it looks very bad and the current place we are in the rent became too high. I think I heard $500,000. So since so much money is going to be save by going to a undesirable area we all should get raises

 

Well, depending on how "undesirable" the area yeah, unemployment may not seem like a bad idea. Is it wise? Maybe not as certain sectors are still facing issues with job loss, budget cuts and redundancy. However, some people have certain skill sets/connections that make them highly desirable in the job market and/or feel their time out of work will be short lived.

 

If the new location is both dangerous and much further away, I can definitely see why staying with the company would seem like a poor choice.

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Well, depending on how "undesirable" the area yeah, unemployment may not seem like a bad idea. Is it wise? Maybe not as certain sectors are still facing issues with job loss, budget cuts and redundancy. However, some people have certain skill sets/connections that make them highly desirable in the job market and/or feel their time out of work will be short lived.

 

If the new location is both dangerous and much further away, I can definitely see why staying with the company would seem like a poor choice.

 

 

It's not much further away but the area does look bad. And there is no way to get unemployment because they are not going to pay people didn't want to move. So whoever doesn't want to go will have the option of

 

1. Resigning

2. Getting fired

3. Going to the new spot

[nomadic_butterfly]

And they will only have 2 choices

 

1. Get fired......no unemployment

 

2. Move to the new location

 

If you get fired not based on performance but because the company is putting you in an unsavory position you do indeed get unemployment! There would be no reason not to get it. It's not your fault they decided to go to the ghetto.

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If you get fired not based on performance but because the company is putting you in an unsavory position you do indeed get unemployment! There would be no reason not to get it. It's not your fault they decided to go to the ghetto.

 

What I am saying is they would never offer that option to take unemployment because half of the staff would be gone. So I correct that, the only option is to

 

Resign

 

Move to the new location

[preraph]

I won't work so far from home that I can't get home and back within the lunch hour. For me, it's because of my pets, in case I need to doctor them or something. But for many, it's being too far from where their kid is during the day. Now, in the alternative, they might be able to work out an extra 15 minutes lunch hour when needed or just get an understanding with the boss that this move will make it where they will on occasion be late back from lunch, and most bosses won't care too much as long as they make that time up either on the front or back end.

[nomadic_butterfly]

What I am saying is they would never offer that option to take unemployment because half of the staff would be gone. So I correct that, the only option is to

 

Resign

 

Move to the new location

 

Oh ok..gotcha

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I won't work so far from home that I can't get home and back within the lunch hour. For me, it's because of my pets, in case I need to doctor them or something. But for many, it's being too far from where their kid is during the day. Now, in the alternative, they might be able to work out an extra 15 minutes lunch hour when needed or just get an understanding with the boss that this move will make it where they will on occasion be late back from lunch, and most bosses won't care too much as long as they make that time up either on the front or back end.

 

So you may have to change daycares or schools

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Oh ok..gotcha

 

 

And only a fool would take the option to be laid off because you only get 6 months in 2015. And sometimes it takes 3 months to get a interview so you would be forced to go from being a full-time employee to a temp

 

So I rather be a permanent employee in the ghetto instead of a temp in a nice neighborhood LOL

[Lernaean_Hydra]

What I am saying is they would never offer that option to take unemployment because half of the staff would be gone. So I correct that, the only option is to

 

Resign

 

Move to the new location

 

If your company relocations you are highly likely to be eligible for unemployment. Even if you resign. It's called 'quitting for cause'.

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If your company relocations you are highly likely to be eligible for unemployment. Even if you resign. It's called 'quitting for cause'.

 

They were supposed to make the announcement yesterday but postponed it to next week. Don't see what the purpose of that was since it's not going to change the reaction.

 

 

And I believe that it will not be easy getting unemployment because they will fight it. Remember the UC office has to interview the employer

[Lernaean_Hydra]

They were supposed to make the announcement yesterday but postponed it to next week. Don't see what the purpose of that was since it's not going to change the reaction.

 

The company I most recently worked for did the same thing. They scheduled three consecutive meetings (at 7AM weekend mornings no less) but cancelled each one. By the second time we all pretty much knew what it was about - the company was being bought out by another, larger one and layoffs were sure to follow, hell, it was speculated about in the WSJ - but they kept dicking us around.

 

I later found out they were doing it because they hadn't yet smoothed out things with corporate, there was a lot of in-fighting and some internal confusion up the ladder about who (in management) would stay and transfer or be laid off. Basically, we - the little people/boots on the ground - fell by the wayside because senior staff was too concerned with themselves. They weren't even so much dicking us around and trying to postpone things to soften the blow as they were just fully engaged in self-preservation mode.

 

And I believe that it will not be easy getting unemployment because they will fight it. Remember the UC office has to interview the employer

 

Employers have to pay into UI for a reason. They can fight it - many employers do - but they won't have much of a case or a leg to stand on. You'd be surprised how often an employee can quit for cause and win.

Edited March 7, 2015 by Lernaean_Hydra

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The company I most recently worked for did the same thing. They scheduled three consecutive meetings (at 7AM weekend mornings no less) but cancelled each one. By the second time we all pretty much knew what it was about - the company was being bought out by another, larger one and layoffs were sure to follow, hell, it was speculated about in the WSJ - but they kept dicking us around.

 

I later found out they were doing it because they hadn't yet smoothed out things with corporate, there was a lot of in-fighting and some internal confusion up the ladder about who (in management) would stay and transfer or be laid off. Basically, we - the little people/boots on the ground - fell by the wayside because senior staff was too concerned with themselves. They weren't even so much dicking us around and trying to postpone things to soften the blow as they were just fully engaged in self-preservation mode.

 

 

 

Employers have to pay into UI for a reason. They can fight it - many employers do - but they won't have much of a case or a leg to stand on. You'd be surprised how often an employee can quit for cause and win.

 

What's the cause though? The place only relocated 20 mins further. Not like it's a 2 hour commute

[preraph]

No. Daycares and schools won't keep a sick child. You have to take them home or to a relative or something.

 

I don't have kids, so not an issue for me, but I need to be where I can get home to take care of a pet when they get old or ill. There's no one else to do it.

[Lernaean_Hydra]

What's the cause though? The place only relocated 20 mins further. Not like it's a 2 hour commute

 

Unless the employee was hired as a 'floater' (a position specifically designated to move between locations) they signed on to work at X location. The company relocating to Y location is neither their fault nor their problem. "Cause" can and has been justified by something as simple as them moving to the next city over. 20mins away may not seem like a big deal but a lack of reliable (public or private) transportation to the new area can be cited as well.

 

On top of that, moving to a dangerous/high crime area can be classified as "unsafe working conditions" which is another completely legitimate reason for quitting.

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Unless the employee was hired as a 'floater' (a position specifically designated to move between locations) they signed on to work at X location. The company relocating to Y location is neither their fault nor their problem. "Cause" can and has been justified by something as simple as them moving to the next city over. 20mins away may not seem like a big deal but a lack of reliable (public or private) transportation to the new area can be cited as well.

 

On top of that, moving to a dangerous/high crime area can be classified as "unsafe working conditions" which is another completely legitimate reason for quitting.

 

Anyone who would accept unemployment over a new move in 2015 is new fool

[Lernaean_Hydra]

Anyone who would accept unemployment over a new move in 2015 is new fool

 

Welp, that's not really your concern.

[pink_sugar]

It would be tough for them to get unemployment unless they were laid off. It looks like they will either have to quit or move. If you resign, it's not very easy to get unemployment unless you have just cause. A good example is lack of reliable transportation to the new location. If you don't own a car or rely on public transit, it would be considered a hardship if you lack the means to get to the new location. BUT, in the likely event they could get unemployment, they would first have to appeal the initial decision, because usually you are denied unemployment if you quit. It would probably take a few months before they could claim unemployment. If I were them, I would begin the job search immediately if they truly are unable to commute.

Edited March 8, 2015 by pink_sugar