Online Dating for Men is Nothing but Looks

[Agalloch7]

I had it confirmed today, straight from the horse's mouth. I was talking to my good buddy - he's an amateur bodybuilder like me, real good looking dude, only down side is that he's really short (5'6). He said he got on plenty of fish 2 days ago and already went out on a date with this cute girl that he was showing me pictures off. She looked good and my friend says she has a good job, is intelligent, nice, feminine, has her own house, says she's just awesome all around. Obviously he hasn't gotten to really know her but all the signs are great. I spent 2 weeks on there, sent out 60 intelligent messages with a good profile and couldn't get more than 1 atrocious response. He'll be having sex with this girl in the same time frame it took me to get one sh*tty response

 

 

He was telling me the message he sent her and this all he said "hey I'm ____. I think you're cute. We should grab a drink". She said yes right away. I know some people here are going to sit here and claim it's because of his brilliant profile but, as much as I love my buddy, he comes across a douche to people who don't know him because he can be a little abrasive and even somewhat obnoxious (awesome guy once you get to know him). I guarantee you, his profile was trash. Garbage message, garbage profile yet has instant easy success with a great girl because he has that good looking all American face. That even overcame his terrible height

 

 

I just don't get it. I've shown pictures of myself and everyone has said I'm good looking (never mind the fact that I look much better in real life than pics ). I've gotten a million compliments in real life. Is that just not good enough anymore? You have to look like a GI Joe character to get a date with a halfway cute young female? I still suspect my biggest problem is that I'm too Hispanic/Italian/Arab looking and women all really love that white boy face. My buddy is slightly better looking than me but his biggest advantage is that he looks very white

 

 

It's just mind boggling to me. All this time spent talking about dating profiles and increasing your confidence, I'm better off getting reconstructive facial surgery to look like a white guy like my buddy

[Fhsjkfjrhsdh3646]

He sounds confident and that backed with good looks goes a long way. Don't be bitter though it does no one any good. I'd say I'm only average looking and I've gone out with 2 different girls this month alone - it can be done.

[fitnessfan365]

Haha.. Preaching to the choir buddy.

 

I'm a personal trainer and have always been told that I'm attractive. Female clients in the beginning and women around the gym constantly hit on me, etc.. But I don't go there because I'm professional. Six months ago when my best friend moved away I became way more of a homebody and stopped going out a lot. So I finally caved and did online dating.

 

1) I don't photograph well at all. I hate having my picture taken so my body language makes me look I have no confidence at all. Women I train that I know I started doing online dating who see my profile pics say "You're so good looking and those look nothing like you."

 

2) I'm used to real life pick up. So I act direct online and cut to the chase. Yet I'm either told that I only want sex or that I'm too pushy if I don't have the patience to do a two week interview process just to meet for a cup of coffee.

[Agalloch7]

He sounds confident and that backed with good looks goes a long way. Don't be bitter though it does no one any good. I'd say I'm only average looking and I've gone out with 2 different girls this month alone - it can be done.

 

 

explain this to me

 

 

How the f*ck does confidence come across in an internet message where all he says is "I think you're cute, we should go out"? She can read into his soul and see that he's confident without knowing him at all and only seeing this one message online?

 

 

I guarantee you she got a same variation of that message a 100 times that day and probably another 300 messages that were 50 times better and more intelligent/engaging. The difference is that my friend looks like a GI Joe character

[Agalloch7]

Haha.. Preaching to the choir buddy.

 

I'm a personal trainer and have always been told that I'm attractive. Female clients in the beginning and women around the gym constantly hit on me, etc.. But I don't go there because I'm professional. Six months ago when my best friend moved away I became way more of a homebody and stopped going out a lot. So I finally caved and did online dating.

 

1) I don't photograph well at all. I hate having my picture taken so my body language makes me look I have no confidence at all. Women I train that I know I started doing online dating who see my profile pics say "You're so good looking and those look nothing like you."

 

2) I'm used to real life pick up. So I act direct online and cut to the chase. Yet I'm either told that I only want sex or that I'm too pushy if I don't have the patience to do a two week interview process just to meet for a cup of coffee.

 

 

 

Don't listen to the fcking bullsht out there. You couldn't be any more direct than my friend was and he got a date his first day on there

 

 

I guarantee you that your profile and messages are 100 times better than my friend. PICTURES...ARE... EVERYTHING

[kart180]

pictures say more than words but for me it's more about connecting with women in spritualy, personal and real level

[Fhsjkfjrhsdh3646]

The 2 girls I've dated were pretty attractive. I wouldn't say my photos were super amazing either.

[Macattack]

I am curious what you profile looks like, I don't care about pictures, I bet it's not that good. Also your attitude sucks, guys have a hard time. According to people on pof forums it takes about 100 messages to women just to get one or two dates. Some don't get dates at all for many months.

[Agalloch7]

The 2 girls I've dated were pretty attractive. I wouldn't say my photos were super amazing either.

 

 

the other thing is that you look white

 

 

 

women would rather date an average looking white guy than a good looking Spanish/Italian/Arab looking dude

[Agalloch7]

I am curious what you profile looks like, I don't care about pictures, I bet it's not that good. Also your attitude sucks, guys have a hard time. According to people on pof forums it takes about 100 messages to women just to get one or two dates. Some don't get dates at all for many months.

 

 

you obviously didn't read a fcking word of the original post. Please read the original post in entirety before you reply in my thread, thanks.

 

 

and it takes about 100 messages to get one or two dates for mediocre looking men. The men who actually have looks are getting it left and right thrown at them. My buddy being a perfect example - profile has nothing to do with it

[dreamingoftigers]

"I made a thread based on a personal anecdote which doesn't even have all of the information about the other guy's profile, so therefore, the world works as I say it does. Never mind any differing opinions, experiences or data."

 

Sincerely,

OP

[Macattack]

you obviously didn't read a fcking word of the original post. Please read the original post in entirety before you reply in my thread, thanks.

 

 

and it takes about 100 messages to get one or two dates for mediocre looking men. The men who actually have looks are getting it left and right thrown at them. My buddy being a perfect example - profile has nothing to do with it

 

You have a bad attitude, I can read. I was confused b/c you sound like a woman.

[Agalloch7]

"I made a thread based on a personal anecdote which doesn't even have all of the information about the other guy's profile, so therefore, the world works as I say it does. Never mind any differing opinions, experiences or data."

 

Sincerely,

OP

 

 

I'll start a profile with pictures of my buddy and have 20 dates with good looking women in a month. The profile will be horrible and the messages will be the same generic garbage that he told the other girl

 

 

How much money do you want to bet? I'll bet any amount. 3,000, 5,000, 10,000 you name it

 

 

also lol @ "not knowing the guys profile". I know my friend plenty well. He's not capable of writing a profile that makes him look intelligent, mature, humble, etc...

[Agalloch7]

You have a bad attitude, I can read. I was confused b/c you sound like a woman.

 

Women are more shallow than men nowadays

 

 

And it just absolutely astonishes me, it makes me head want to explode right now that we have a thread talking about a guy who sent the most goddamn generic and boring opener to a pretty and classy woman online and got a date that day (something that 99% of men try and fail at miserably) yet we're sitting here talking about attitude and profiles

 

 

Just mind boggling

 

 

Do you go into threads about people who inherit billion dollar fortunes and talk about how hard they worked to get there as well?

[Buddhist]

All this time spent talking about dating profiles and increasing your confidence, I'm better off getting reconstructive facial surgery to look like a white guy like my buddy

 

Yeah you're right. It's all because he looks white. I mean he can even overcome being 5'6"....WTF??!! Thread after thread on here all state that a short guy can't get women, especially not on OLD. Somethings up with the time space continuum. Quick, grasp for the next....Made Up Reason Why Women Don't Like Me, That Has Nothing To Do With Me.

[Mangina]

Hey man I know what you are saying is true. It is 100% true, but what is all this ranting going to do for you?

 

I personally am looking at getting cosmetic surgery myself.

[Macattack]

explain this to me

 

 

How the f*ck does confidence come across in an internet message where all he says is "I think you're cute, we should go out"? She can read into his soul and see that he's confident without knowing him at all and only seeing this one message online?

 

 

I guarantee you she got a same variation of that message a 100 times that day and probably another 300 messages that were 50 times better and more intelligent/engaging. The difference is that my friend looks like a GI Joe character

 

I bet he doesn't look angry like your pic that you posted on here.

[Agalloch7]

Yeah you're right. It's all because he looks white. I mean he can even overcome being 5'6"....WTF??!! Thread after thread on here all state that a short guy can't get women, especially not on OLD. Somethings up with the time space continuum. Quick, grasp for the next....Bull**** Reason Why Women Don't Like Me.

 

 

I've posted 6 to 7 pictures on different sites online like this in my 4 or 5 years posting online

 

 

Every.single.one got very positive feedback and everybody said I was at least decent looking to even some saying I'm very handsome. What's the difference between me and my friend then? He's a little better looking than me but I'm 4 inches taller. Personality wise, I come across a lot more intelligent when I speak at first and less like a meathead (if you're reading this man, I love you, but you sound like a meathead before someone gets to know you). We're both extremely successful and about the same age.

 

 

Here's the truth - women would rather date an average white guy than a good looking, successful, outgoing, etc... ethnic man (Spanish, Italian, Arab, whatever). If you're like my friend and you're a real good looking all American white guy, you have the dating game on super super easy mode

[Hawaii51]

Why don't you stop worrying how many women your friend is sliding in, and start worrying about yourself. Just sayin'.

[Agalloch7]

I bet he doesn't look angry like your pic that you posted on here.

 

 

Stop dude, my other pics that I posted online in the past are all me having fun and having a good time

 

 

I've been complimented on my smile and near perfect white teeth 50,000 times so I'm not afraid to show it off

[Macattack]

You're talking out of your ass. I have attracted women. I am over weight, Asian and short and I don't make that much money.

[Hawaii51]

If you're getting compliments on your teeth (50k to be specific), you're not attractive, you just have nice teeth.

[Agalloch7]

Why don't you stop worrying how many women your friend is sliding in, and start worrying about yourself. Just sayin'.

 

 

oh trust me, I don't give two ****s that my friend has been with 28350285023520 women. I just want one decent looking girl - quantity means absolutely nothing to me

 

 

What drives me utterly mad is that he can put absolutely no effort or a really really mediocre effort and easily have more success than I've ever had in my life

[dreamingoftigers]

I'll start a profile with pictures of my buddy and have 20 dates with good looking women in a month. The profile will be horrible and the messages will be the same generic garbage that he told the other girl

 

 

How much money do you want to bet? I'll bet any amount. 3,000, 5,000, 10,000 you name it

 

 

also lol @ "not knowing the guys profile". I know my friend plenty well. He's not capable of writing a profile that makes him look intelligent, mature, humble, etc...

 

 

 

Wow, nice friend.

 

 

Sure, I'll take your bet.

 

 

Let's bet 10 million dollars on the ludicrous idea that you can use your friend's photo, make up a crap profile and yank dates out of thin air.

 

 

Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, your "not capable" friend might just have seized upon an outlier girl. Maybe a girl who has a fetish for 5'6"?

 

 

Or who the Hell knows?

 

 

10 million. Sure. Let's bet that 10 million. Make it interesting.

[Agalloch7]

If you're getting compliments on your teeth (50k to be specific), you're not attractive, you just have nice teeth.

 

 

I've been complimented many many times on

 

 

lips

eyes

teeth

"jawline"

for being "jacked" (IE muscular)

for dressing great

etc...

 

 

but again, here's the kicker. All these compliments were by random people, straight men, gay men, much much older women, acquaintances, family friends - basically people I don't want to have any sexual relations with.

 

 

The attractive women my age don't care because they want nothing to do with me