Buddhist Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 OLD is a joke anyways though. It's just filled with shallowness. Like you said, definitely not a good place for a short guy when the women could put in their preferences to not want short men. I think of myself to be fairly attractive & go to the gym 3x a week, sometimes 4, but I'm only 5'7", maybe 5'6" without shoes so there's no point of me being on there with all the shallowness that goes on. I agree. It's the same reason why I never am on OLD, it's not going to favour me. So I look elsewhere. Not rocket science.
runitonce Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 Yeah you need to take OLD with a pinch of salt if you're a guy. Especially if you're a shorter guy. Plenty of women disregard short guys online because they get/plan on getting, so much attention that its a way quicken the process for them to filter out guys they're not attracted to. Meet them in reality & their attitudes can be somewhat different Having said that, the same friend I mentioned had several good relationships come about as a result of his time on POF. His best features aren't even his looks although he's by no means unattractive. He's about the same height as me - 5'8 - with ginger hair & is pretty athletic, but is a charismatic guy to be around who's company almost every enjoys. He just struggled with the initial phase of meeting women So OLD can work but don't hang your hat on it or take it too seriously. I like to keep fit, & if you go to the bodybuilding forums you'll see loads of threads from ripped guys who cant get responses & they'll have the same impression of OLD just like everyone on here does. The other posters will all be telling the OP not waste his time & that OLD just serves as an ego boost for young women & will knock his confidence
runitonce Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 The other thing to mention is that most people - women in particular- don't know height I'm 5'7.5 to be exact & recently had a female friend a shade shorter than me barefoot say she was 5.9.....errr, no you're not lol. She wasn't boasting, she just mentioned it in conversation & genuinely believed that 5'9 was her height I guess it comes from loads of 5'8 men claiming to be 5'10, 5'5 to be 5'7 & 5'10 to be 6' ,etc, etc So when they say they don't find guys under 5'6 attractive, often this means about 5'4. Not always obviously, but more often than you might think
runredlights Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 Its not the end of the world. I am 5'8 and fairly buff myself. It is strange though because it's like all my guy friends are either 6'2 and 5'7-5'8. I fall in the shorter category. I have a cousin who is literally 5'1 and he's got one of the hottest wives that I'v ever seen. I am a former hockey player and have loved working since high school. I am very conscious not to develop the napoleon syndrome look. Like you can rep out 315 on bench press, but can't reach the cereal off the top of the fridge look. Those guys make me laugh and are just sad. I don't work out to compensate for anything I just enjoy it. I think it is safe to say that most women would prefer and guy that is fit and takes care of himself. Being tall is not the end all be all. Confidence is even more important. Don't let your height become an issue.
Joyvke Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 I'm only 5'4" myself as a female, so would rather have a guy that's just as tall or taller.
organizedchaos Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I said. Yes, we agree. But what I mean is: I wish I could find out that a woman doesn't like short guys before I got to know her so I wouldn't waste my time. You're going about it wrong. Don't waste your time getting to know her before asking her out. Ask her out! Make your intentions known first before you get attached. If she rejects you, you move on and you don't waste your time. 2
somedude81 Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Yes, we agree. But what I mean is: You're going about it wrong. Don't waste your time getting to know her before asking her out. Ask her out! Make your intentions known first before you get attached. If she rejects you, you move on and you don't waste your time. Yeah I agree with you there. It really is a waste of time getting to know women. I should quickly ask out a woman. If she rejects me, she might as well not exist anymore.
Rejected Rosebud Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 As a short guy who really struggled with women, it really doesn't help me much even if there are one thousand women posting here that they love and date short men all the time. I'm still short and single. Maybe it's not because of your height then, since the general idea here is that most of us don't really care if the guy is the right guy!!
Rejected Rosebud Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 With respect, its the same as all the women complaining about OLD is only full of guys sending dick pics or whatever. Im nothing but respectful on OLD but what use is that to the person I would say it to? Someone on the internet saying "I am proof that not all _____ are like that" means absolutely nothing because its not really challenging the person its aimed at. We cant assume that we know better than what someone else experiences in their lives, we cant speak for their region/culture. Well first I think that anybody who says that OLD is "ONLY" full of the dick pic guys, is full of baloney. Just like guys who are hung up on thinking that their lack of dates is because of height. I know the heights of my own boyfriend and quite a few other not tall guys who are in relationships. I know a few guys of various heights who don't have any girlfriends. I bet if all you guys went out for a day and took an honest look around your town wherever it may be you'd see alot of short guys with women, you should try it!! And, YES!!! of course some women do not date short guys, so let them go, forget about those women and focus on the rest!! 1
elaine567 Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Its not the end of the world. I am 5'8 and fairly buff myself. It is strange though because it's like all my guy friends are either 6'2 and 5'7-5'8. I fall in the shorter category. I have a cousin who is literally 5'1 and he's got one of the hottest wives that I'v ever seen. I am a former hockey player and have loved working since high school. I am very conscious not to develop the napoleon syndrome look. Like you can rep out 315 on bench press, but can't reach the cereal off the top of the fridge look. Those guys make me laugh and are just sad. I don't work out to compensate for anything I just enjoy it. I think it is safe to say that most women would prefer and guy that is fit and takes care of himself. Being tall is not the end all be all. Confidence is even more important. Don't let your height become an issue. Napoleon was 5'6" and he was actually of average height for the period, not short.
NJ123 Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 I'm only 5'4" myself as a female, so would rather have a guy that's just as tall or taller. This is where it makes sense. But it doesn't make sense to guys when a woman is 5'2" but only wants a guy that's 5'10" or taller. I could understand when a 5'9" woman only wanting a guy that's 5'10" or taller but not when she's half a foot or more shorter exclusively wanting a tall man. 1
Mangina Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 I found these when did a google search. I'm not trying to fight with anybody, I just wanted to show you guys that we are not making this stuff up and that it is not a few, but a lot girls with this requirement. 'I Want a Relationship, but He?s Got to Be Six Feet Tall.' - Men don't stand a chance with women if under 6ft: Bad luck for Tom Cruise, Daniel Radcliffe, Jack Black and Seth Green | Daily Mail Online
organizedchaos Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 This is where it makes sense. But it doesn't make sense to guys when a woman is 5'2" but only wants a guy that's 5'10" or taller. I could understand when a 5'9" woman only wanting a guy that's 5'10" or taller but not when she's half a foot or more shorter exclusively wanting a tall man. Doesn't matter. It's her right to have her preference. 1
organizedchaos Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Yeah I agree with you there. It really is a waste of time getting to know women. I should quickly ask out a woman. If she rejects me, she might as well not exist anymore. Exactly. If she's rejected you, what's the point of hanging around like a little puppy? Move on to the next one. 3
Author Toodaloo Posted February 20, 2015 Author Posted February 20, 2015 I found these when did a google search. I'm not trying to fight with anybody, I just wanted to show you guys that we are not making this stuff up and that it is not a few, but a lot girls with this requirement. 'I Want a Relationship, but He?s Got to Be Six Feet Tall.' - Men don't stand a chance with women if under 6ft: Bad luck for Tom Cruise, Daniel Radcliffe, Jack Black and Seth Green | Daily Mail Online All that does is back up that there are some really shallow women out there... The Daily mail article also does point out that the short guys mentioned are all already married... I have yet to meet anyone male or female who has "shallow" on the list of attributes that they look for in a partner... just saying! Perhaps its a good way to filter out the no so desirable women in life... 2
stillmind Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 I don't get the anger over women liking tall men. Height on a man is an attractive quality just like a shapely body on a woman. It's an advantage some men have, it's just kind of a fact of life. If a woman isn't willing to compromise her wants on the height issue even though you have other great qualities she isn't worth your time anyways. The biggest player I know is about 5'2". That dude is shorter than most women (including me) and he is wading knee deep in ass. He has a sense of humor about his height, too -- he was laughing about a coworker hitting on him because she was trying to look up at him and bat her eyelashes coyly, but she was taller than him. 2
wb1988 Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Napoleon was 5'6" and he was actually of average height for the period, not short. Bad example because it doesn't really mean anything — it was a very long time about where people were shorter. Better example would Johnny Depp, Zac Efron, Dave Franco, etc almost all the guys that 20-30 year old girls like are actually pretty average 5'8"-5'9"height. This is where it makes sense. But it doesn't make sense to guys when a woman is 5'2" but only wants a guy that's 5'10" or taller. I could understand when a 5'9" woman only wanting a guy that's 5'10" or taller but not when she's half a foot or more shorter exclusively wanting a tall man. It makes perfect sense because short girls have a height complex. Their shortness makes them think about height all the time so a guy's height is a big deal for them. They also like the feeling of feeling tiny, think that having a taller guy will makeup for their lack of height when it comes to children and they like to show other girls that they can get a tall guy even though they are short. Girls that are 5'6"+ usually don't think about height all the time which is why it tends to be shorter women that have height requirements.
runitonce Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 I don't get the anger over women liking tall men. Height on a man is an attractive quality just like a shapely body on a woman. It's an advantage some men have, it's just kind of a fact of life. If a woman isn't willing to compromise her wants on the height issue even though you have other great qualities she isn't worth your time anyways. The biggest player I know is about 5'2". That dude is shorter than most women (including me) and he is wading knee deep in ass. He has a sense of humor about his height, too -- he was laughing about a coworker hitting on him because she was trying to look up at him and bat her eyelashes coyly, but she was taller than him. Well, hang on a minute. I agree with everything you said in the first paragraph except for the first line, because I don't understand why you don't understand I'm 5'7/5'8 & completely understand a woman 5'8+ not wanting to date me. I almost never even approach a woman of that height. If a woman is 5'0 tall & thinks I'm too short I'm also fine with that, even if I find it hard to fathom because I feel soooo much taller than her But even if I was 6'2 I would still be able to empathise with the frustration of a guy who's 5'4, who feels like the vast majority of women consider him off-limits before he's even started, & for a reason he can do nothing about. Imagine approaching women (of moderate attractiveness) only to be consistently looked at like a slug This concept is alien to a lot of women I think because even very average females can go to a nightclub & get plenty of attention & repeatedly told how beautiful they are Often they end up with a guy of similar attractiveness & insinuate like they settled for him because he has other redeeming qualities. They don't realise that, yeah, that 5'6 guy may only be a 5/10...but so are they!
runredlights Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Napoleon was 5'6" and he was actually of average height for the period, not short. Yes I have heard that argument before. There are a lot of average to short crazy, angry people throughout though. Hitler, Napoleon, Charles Manson, Danny Devito... George Washington was like 6'3 and he was considered a giant at the time.
elaine567 Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Bad example because it doesn't really mean anything — it was a very long time about where people were shorter. Better example would Johnny Depp, Zac Efron, Dave Franco, etc almost all the guys that 20-30 year old girls like are actually pretty average 5'8"-5'9"height. . I was not quoting Napoleon as an example of anything, I was merely pointing out that the Napoleonic complex is badly named, as Napoleon wasn't in his day considered to be a short man in France. 1
elaine567 Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 The biggest player I know is about 5'2". That dude is shorter than most women (including me) and he is wading knee deep in ass. He has a sense of humor about his height, too -- he was laughing about a coworker hitting on him because she was trying to look up at him and bat her eyelashes coyly, but she was taller than him. Same here, I have also known short guys who have been able to attract women by the plane load. This is not really about short men per se being unable to get women, it is about SOME short men being unable to get women. ...and as you also say, some people will always have the advantage, whether it is their personality, their face, their height, their shape, their intelligence, the size of their wallet, the friends in high places, or the vast acreage they inherited... We all have to make the best of what we are given, just moaning about the unfairness of it all, doesn't tend to change anything. 2
runredlights Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Understood. The expression is technically flawed then, but for the sake of this discussion I was just saying that the OP shouldn't develop a short man complex.
somedude81 Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Some short guys are extremely lucky to have a personality and charisma that compensates for their height. Many short men don't have those things and they simply struggle with women. God forbid a short man also be introverted, he might as well become a monk.
Author Toodaloo Posted February 20, 2015 Author Posted February 20, 2015 I was not quoting Napoleon as an example of anything, I was merely pointing out that the Napoleonic complex is badly named, as Napoleon wasn't in his day considered to be a short man in France. He also wasn't all that crazy or angry for his time... He was a fantastic lover and had an adoring harem and adored by his people... Depends entirely on which books and films you read/ watch... I am still wanting to know where the short men are for me to date!
stillmind Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Well, hang on a minute. I agree with everything you said in the first paragraph except for the first line, because I don't understand why you don't understand I'm 5'7/5'8 & completely understand a woman 5'8+ not wanting to date me. I almost never even approach a woman of that height. If a woman is 5'0 tall & thinks I'm too short I'm also fine with that, even if I find it hard to fathom because I feel soooo much taller than her But even if I was 6'2 I would still be able to empathise with the frustration of a guy who's 5'4, who feels like the vast majority of women consider him off-limits before he's even started, & for a reason he can do nothing about. Imagine approaching women (of moderate attractiveness) only to be consistently looked at like a slug This concept is alien to a lot of women I think because even very average females can go to a nightclub & get plenty of attention & repeatedly told how beautiful they are Often they end up with a guy of similar attractiveness & insinuate like they settled for him because he has other redeeming qualities. They don't realise that, yeah, that 5'6 guy may only be a 5/10...but so are they! Plenty of men find me unattractive for XYZ reason and I don't really care? I've never been upset because random people that I am not dating aren't interested in me. I grew up in an area where men were shorter than average as the norm and was seen as too tall. It never bothered me. 1
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