newmoon Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Yep, exactly. boobs are not an evolutionary trait like height is. if women consistently dated and married and pro-created with short men then, over time, the population starts to reflect that change. it's based in sociological conditioning and you can't really blame women for wanting what we're 'programmed' to want. there will always be people who go against the grain, you have to either find one of those women, or just stop using height as an excuse - there are lots of reasons why people don't/won't date one another and height is probably only one of the failings someone sees in you when they say no and height is the easiest excuse to either use, or the easiest for a guy to accept if he's already insecure. not directing this at anyone, just a thought. 1
Mangina Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Sisters! We've been busted. The covert operation has been exposed! Dude, maybe it is just a few whiny guys that dredge this up. None of us said it never happens, but we don't happen to agree that 85% of the world's population of males (who are under 6ft) are all virgins until death. Because the evidence in the world points to it being otherwise. Just the evidence in this thread points to it being otherwise. But here, have a tinfoil hat to protect you from the psychic emanations of the illuminati. Hey just have a look for your self and you can see we are not making this up and we are not exaggerating. It is not a select few, it is most of them especially if they are pretty.
M_Theory Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 boobs are not an evolutionary trait like height is. if women consistently dated and married and pro-created with short men then, over time, the population starts to reflect that change. it's based in sociological conditioning and you can't really blame women for wanting what we're 'programmed' to want. there will always be people who go against the grain, you have to either find one of those women, or just stop using height as an excuse - there are lots of reasons why people don't/won't date one another and height is probably only one of the failings someone sees in you when they say no and height is the easiest excuse to either use, or the easiest for a guy to accept if he's already insecure. not directing this at anyone, just a thought. I understand and agree to a point, but I'm talking mostly when a woman hasnt met the guy yet, but basis he NO on the simple fact that she sees that hes not "tall enough". Even though hes still taller than her, many women still want the guy to be taller.
Buddhist Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) See.....there will always be 1 or 2 women on here that try to discredit and make fun of any thread that brings up this topic. No there will be 1 or 2 women trying to talk sense into the conversation in the hopes you will give up the habits which truly are keeping you on the shelf, or maybe even just recognise what they are. If we didn't want you to start winning, we would not bother at all. Just leaving you to your own devices will be sufficient to ensure continual failure. Where do I get that from? From your posts, which don't paint a picture of success. I'm not the one who called a conspiracy theory here. You've got to admit, it makes you look less than rational. It's really very simple. There are guys under 6ft dating, yes even in America. There are guys under 6ft having children, yes even in America. The fact you've run into a few women who are height conscious does not constitute a world wide conspiracy. I know that even as I type this it is a waste of my time. I have seen this all before, you will continue to argue that things outside of you are causing you to fail, until one day you realise that's not an effective life strategy and adopt a new one. But I can't help but try and get through just in case I can in some way help you to do that sooner rather than later. Edited February 18, 2015 by Buddhist
M_Theory Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 No there will be 1 or 2 women trying to talk sense into the conversation in the hopes you will give up the habits which truly are keeping you on the shelf, or maybe even just recognise what they are. I'm not the one who called a conspiracy theory here. You've got to admit, it makes you look less than rational. It's really very simple. There are guys under 6ft dating, yes even in America. There are guys under 6ft having children, yes even in America. The fact you've run into a few women who are height conscious does not constitute a world wide conspiracy. Its definitely not world wide....its limited mostly to the U.S. Thread after thread, comment after comment has been posted about how much more superficial and stuck up many American women are compared to women of other countries. I dont see guys trying to argue and rewrite what you or other women have experienced when you interact with guys....so dont try to tell us what "WE" have or have not experienced when we say what we seen when interacting with women. Majority of single women in America have a height bias. Period. Why you are so hell bent on expelling so much energy to make people think its not true is beyond me. 1
Mangina Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 No there will be 1 or 2 women trying to talk sense into the conversation in the hopes you will give up the habits which truly are keeping you on the shelf, or maybe even just recognise what they are. If we didn't want you to start winning, we would not bother at all. Just leaving you to your own devices will be sufficient to ensure continual failure. Where do I get that from? From your posts, which don't paint a picture of success. I'm not the one who called a conspiracy theory here. You've got to admit, it makes you look less than rational. It's really very simple. There are guys under 6ft dating, yes even in America. There are guys under 6ft having children, yes even in America. The fact you've run into a few women who are height conscious does not constitute a world wide conspiracy. I know that even as I type this it is a waste of my time. I have seen this all before, you will continue to argue that things outside of you are causing you to fail, until one day you realise that's not an effective life strategy and adopt a new one. But I can't help but try and get through just in case I can in some way help you to do that sooner rather than later. I do not understand, first you understood with the nice posts you made and now this. My honest conclusion is that you think it is a 1 or 2 girls. It isn't a couple just take a look like I said.
NJ123 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 boobs are not an evolutionary trait like height is. if women consistently dated and married and pro-created with short men then, over time, the population starts to reflect that change. it's based in sociological conditioning and you can't really blame women for wanting what we're 'programmed' to want. there will always be people who go against the grain, you have to either find one of those women, or just stop using height as an excuse - there are lots of reasons why people don't/won't date one another and height is probably only one of the failings someone sees in you when they say no and height is the easiest excuse to either use, or the easiest for a guy to accept if he's already insecure. not directing this at anyone, just a thought. So you're basically saying that only a small % of women ideally prefer shorter men? So where does that leave the 65-70% of men in the U.S. that are shorter than 5'10"?
Buddhist Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Why you are so hell bent on expelling so much energy to make people think its not true is beyond me. This will be my last post on this particular tangent but here goes.... I am expelling so much energy because I see that you (and some of the other guys) are clearly frustrated and it causes you pain. I would like for you to have hope that your situation is fixable rather than a fate forced upon you. I would like for you to feel that love is possible for you and for you to have confidence that no matter how poorly you fit the mold, the mold will not define your life experience. Why do I want this? Because I truly want you to be happy, rather than upset and frustrated and not knowing the way out. I want you to find a girl you are attracted to and who is attracted to you too. I want you to get sex. It was never my intention to invalidate your experience. But to show you different experiences so that you can see, your present experience is not universal and something else is possible. You and I differ in opinion on how that is possible. That's quite true. I hope that one day, you find a way to make all of that happen for you. I just wanted you to see that while you believe it's not possible, then it never can be. Your belief will make you do things, see things and say things to confirm your difficulty rather than open up opportunities. It will sabotage your efforts to get what you want and keep you miserable. I don't want that for you.
lgspot Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 """"""""""""Thats the thing though. I hear chaps who are shorter on these boards going on and on about how they can't get dates etc. My brother is short at 5ft 5 ins (although he would say he is 5ft 6ins...). he was snapped up before he could get single and had to tell the women to back off so he could have some alone time between relationships. His ex was constantly trying to come back (she is 5ft 8ins, blonde and a nick name of "tits and teeth" for a reason, awful woman treated him very badly...) and he had several others chasing after him. As it was he ended up with someone he went to college with and they are both very happy now (took their time about it). He is also ugly after a car accident in his teens ruined his looks (Tom Cruise looky likey before but nicer eyes) and left him with scars all over his chest, shoulders but mostly face and no eye lashes... oh and he is bald... very bald... So everything that chaps on here say is "bad"... But he is one of the good guys..."""""""" Let me try to answer your question with examples: I'm 5'9" or 10" (pretty average for the US). Growing up, my then best friend was/is 6'7" or 8". Almost a foot difference; if we were out and about we looked like Mutt and Jeff. Believe me, the girls ALWAYS looked at him first. Facts of life... I just had to work a little harder. lol I used to work with a guy that was around 5'5" if he strrreeeeeetched . He isn't one of the good guys. He had a heart attack and at the hospital, his ex-wife, wife, and girlfriend all showed up. When he got out of hospital, he moved in with his "other" girlfriend. Here is this guy with a harem. He isn't intelligent or articulate. He isn't clever or funny. Has no fashion sense. His looks are certainly nothing to write home about (definitely no Tom C.). Now he has a bad heart and big scar on his chest. On any OLD site you couldn't "lie" this picture beautiful. Still he had at least 4 ladies after him even from a hospital bed. What's his secret????
somedude81 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Of course short guys can get dates! Its a preference thing. I'm 5'1 and my height requirement for a guy has to be 5'9 and over. Just like guys prefer women with big boobs, heck I prefer tall men. Would you date a guy who was at least 5'5? I definitely prefer women with big boobs but I would happily date woman who is only a B cup.
insert_name Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Would you date a guy who was at least 5'5? I definitely prefer women with big boobs but I would happily date woman who is only a B cup. I dont think there is a man out there who has rigid preferences on boobs- its a 'nice to have' because if you were to hold out only for a girl with big 'uns theres a good chance you will end up alone. (Natural) D cups are as rare as rocking horse crap. Theres nothing rare about height on a man though.
Author Toodaloo Posted February 18, 2015 Author Posted February 18, 2015 It's not like I knew any better. As I said before, she was my first girlfriend. So here I am, friends with a very cute girl who is in an unhappy relationship. She starts to like me and when she told me that she broke up with him I couldn't ask her out fast enough. Now that I know better, I would still do it all over again. She was my only girlfriend so it was her or nothing. If I'm in that situation again where a girl has a boyfriend and she hints about wanting to leave him for me, I have to accept that if I don't have any other options. All I can do is try to protect myself and not get too attached. We all learn. Sometimes by our own mistakes sometimes by others. No point beating yourself about it and the first ones are rarely the last Hah me too. I had a short casual thing. Still it didn't count nearly as much as being in an actual relationship. I was bit of a dufus and fell for that one. There was no substance to it and it was all wrong but it was what is was. I actually miss him far more than my ex. Were you asking out random men or guys you actually knew? Both! Yeah that can be a problem. It's good that you didn't stick around. I should say so! I have no intention of sharing a man... Selfish I know but I am greedy like that! Does having other things to do in life really make up for not having a partner? To me it sounds like it's just a distraction from being single. But that's probably just how I am. Nope they really do. You have to find a way of giving your life purpose. I do loads of charity work and make weird and wonderful plans. Now I am single I can actually follow through with some of those plans. Its great! I hope that I meet someone that will enjoy doing these things with me as I do not want to give them up again. I am also loving spending more time with friends and family. I am lucky in that I have the most wonderful people around me so I feel "loved" most of the time anyway its just the sex thing. I completely agree. I hate the idea of dating. Where I have to go out with a lot of girls and find somebody that I like and who likes me back. Honestly I rather just jump into an instant relationship after knowing the girl for a while. My ex and I were friends for five or so months before our first date. So on our first date it felt like she was already my girlfriend. God I miss her. I know that feeling. Problem is that it just doesn't work like that. So I guess we all just have to work with what we have and go from there. I am just going round meeting new people and getting to know people better, males, females and all ages. I figure it may or may not lead to something but at least I will still be surrounded by good people so there is no down side to it. There was another girl that I met last year that I felt like was a perfect match and I would have liked to go straight into being in a relationship with her, but she didn't even want to give me a chance. I have no idea why not. She was only 5'1 so I'd like to believe that my height wasn't an issue. Its all sorts of reasons. There are chaps I have turned down because I know we would be incompatible in bed which would lead to me getting frustrated and angry. I have turned down guys because although they are lovely I know some of my habits would drive them to distraction or vice versa... Better to have a friend than nothing at all. Sometimes its just that I am polite to them but don't really like them all that much. Its a double edged sword as I am sure I have been turned down for similar reasons. It sounds like you have very reasonable requirements. I don't have any idea why you're having trouble. Nope, me either but just goes to show that its not easy to find the right one and its not easy to get dates etc... Seriously. if you want to, take a look at my profile. There is nothing scarey in there. I am not ugly. But I know full well that chaps are on that site and casting me aside for the most silly of reasons. Over the last few days I got a few people to look at it and come up with some ideas and a friend of mine is going to refresh and renew the whole thing. I tell you everyone that meets me adores me. Its very rare that anyone has anything bad to say about me. Yes it is. Though you should have pretty good luck on OLD. Just keep going through the frogs. You should eventually find the right one. Ha! Sooo many frogs! One of my cousins actually got me a frog ornament for Christmas so I can save time by kissing that instead!!! I have been on OLD for 3 months. Not one meeting. Only approached by 2 men, neither of which were suitable in any way shape or form once we got chatting. Have sent loads of messages, nice ones that are not anything major just striking up conversation, to all sorts of men, some tall some short, thin, fat, good looking, not so good looking... Nada. I have ignored that photos and gone for people with similar interests and tastes. I did send a frightening one, he agreed to meet but stood me up and reading between the lines I think there is another woman in the wings. I have responded to both that have approached me. I am ignored left right and center, only one bothered to send back a message saying he wasn't interested, the others just ignored me. I went through a phase of sending 2-3 messages a week. Then I went down to 1 a week now I hardly ever bother at all. I don't think I am so gorgeous that its off putting but I am far from the back end of a bus. When I go out with friends and family, men do look and I often turn heads. They don't approach and if I approach them when I see them looking they seem to run off like scared rabbits. Makes me think I am frightening or giving off some sort of "vibe" but I can tell you I really am not! I have checked with the most forthright and blunt friends and family I know. You know, the ones who tell me my backside looks fat with out me asking... and nope there is nothing. Apparently I project happiness, kindness and fun. The irony of it is that instead of putting on weight I am loosing it. As time goes by I am toning up, getting more active and doing more. I am starting to look really good, feel really good etc. At this rate they are going to miss out big time as I will simply take myself "off the market" all together and be done with it. Then if anyone does ask me out I just go into auto pilot and say no. Its what happened before... Anyway looks like a row has broken out after your post so I am off to get some pop corn.
Author Toodaloo Posted February 18, 2015 Author Posted February 18, 2015 As PegNosePete said, "the "short guys can't get dates" is just another excuse for failure". Yep, pretty much. My partner is intelligent, loyal, caring, kind, witty, funny and very attractive. The whole time we have been together he's always put my needs first. We have amazing chemistry. His height is something that matters not one whit to me because he's the kind of guy most girls would kill to have and he's mine. Does he have a brother? I am glad that you have been so lucky brings hope to the rest of us. 1
Moy Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 I like this thread. It's giving me confidence despite being 5ft 8. I've changed my POF profile pic to what is my avatar now, wearing a top that shows of my broad shoulders and chest, as well as changing my opening messages to something akin to: "I've got a plan to break out of here. I need an accomplice and you look pretty enough to distract the guards. Are you in?" I'm getting replies and compliments left, right and centre - it's like the world has been flipped on it's head. I'm not eve conscious of being 5ft 8 right now! 2
Revolver Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 A lot of women believe under 6ft tall=short. I don't consider a 5"8 man "short"
Larry56 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 I will say that I've found... Women do get a bit freaked out if your quite a lot shorter than them at first... I am like Paul Simon's height. Might hit 5'2 in shoes. Nice face though. Some girls have said to me...last girl was 5'9 "I do find the height thing a bit of an issue...I'm trying to process it..." My answer "I understand your dilemma but I simply don't care"...with a smile. She laughed. The whole "need to be protected" - yeah I get that. But I think it also comes down to not wanting to look like a freak in public.
Author Toodaloo Posted February 18, 2015 Author Posted February 18, 2015 I like this thread. It's giving me confidence despite being 5ft 8. I've changed my POF profile pic to what is my avatar now, wearing a top that shows of my broad shoulders and chest, as well as changing my opening messages to something akin to: "I've got a plan to break out of here. I need an accomplice and you look pretty enough to distract the guards. Are you in?" I'm getting replies and compliments left, right and centre - it's like the world has been flipped on it's head. I'm not eve conscious of being 5ft 8 right now! Whooooop!!!! You finally get it Moy!!!! Fantastic!!! Just remember that if they are bitchy women don't give them the time of day just block and get rid!!! There are loads of great women out there! You go get one and treasure her! 1
Revolver Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Also breasts are a preference for men, not a requirement like height is for women.
Author Toodaloo Posted February 18, 2015 Author Posted February 18, 2015 "I understand your dilemma but I simply don't care"...with a smile. She laughed. The whole "need to be protected" - yeah I get that. But I think it also comes down to not wanting to look like a freak in public. Someone I once knew was a bouncer for years. He never once worried about the big guys. One well aimed smack and they were down. When a small chap started up he worried... He told me that smaller chaps are normally much smarter even when drunk and that they are faster and hardier than the big ones, you can't see them coming. He would rather take on eight 6ft + guys on his own (which my brother once witnessed and they didn't even break in conversation) than one 5ft guy. He was about 5ft 7 or 8 if I remember rightly. So as for "protection"... That is up to the man, his brains and his attitude not his height...
Buddhist Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Also breasts are a preference for men, not a requirement like height is for women. Really? Lets find a woman with no breasts at all and test the theory. I'm pretty sure Peter Dinklage is getting some these days too.....
Author Toodaloo Posted February 18, 2015 Author Posted February 18, 2015 Really? Lets find a woman with no breasts at all and test the theory. I'm pretty sure Peter Dinklage is getting some these days too..... Actually my cousin that I am trying to set up has asked for little ones as he finds big ones off putting... I also know of a couple of women who have had mastectomy's be very successful, just as much as large ones... so I am guessing boobs are a preference same as height... Can you imagine the fall out though if guys could make that one of their "criteria" on their on line dating searches!!! People are just so fickle sometimes
Revolver Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Really? Lets find a woman with no breasts at all and test the theory. I'm pretty sure Peter Dinklage is getting some these days too..... A woman with no breasts will have much more options than a guy who is short. 1
Buddhist Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 A woman with no breasts will have much more options than a guy who is short. Citation needed. 1
newmoon Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 So you're basically saying that only a small % of women ideally prefer shorter men? So where does that leave the 65-70% of men in the U.S. that are shorter than 5'10"? perhaps coupling up with a very short woman??!! 5'10 looks very tall to women 5'5 and under, no?
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