Revan32 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 I dont consider lying, games, and time wasting to be classy. I wouldnt. Id rather a man be honest than waste my time. Ive had guys try to seduce with the movie thing. Ive had guys pretend like they wanted to be my bf so they could get sex. That is being a pig. Lying, games and time wasting, pretty much describes every girl I know. So don't think its just the poor little girls out there that are getting screwed over. Guy's have to deal with just as much bull**** as you do. There is more to life than getting sex. If a man is that horny theres porn, hookers, and strip clubs. Just take the $$$ he would have paid indirectly for sex ( date) and spend it on paying for sex directly. Females can have such a breezy attitude about sex because they can get it any time they want. For men, sex is something you have to work for, we can't just walk into a bar wearing a skirt with not panties on and go home with the first girl who approaches. I don't know where you live, but in much of the world, hookers are illegal, and cost several times what a date would. On top of that, most females look down on males who have to resort to hookers. So it kinda bites you in the ass. I do agree with you that they would be a better option. Prostitution should be fully legalized. I think it would solve a lot of the sex crazed male problems females have. 1
Beautiful Kisses Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 I've been talking to this guy on okcupid and we have plans on meeting up next week. Drinks/Dinner/Movie. And he keeps suggesting we watch a movie at his place, he took a picture of his apartment and texted me it, saying that he has a "very comfy apartment." I told him no, we'll meet at a public place for drinks/dinner. I was open to a movie if we actually went to a movie theater and see one, I certainly don't want to go to his place. Now, I'm turned off. I was fine talking to him, until he suggested I go over to his place. Code for=having sex. Guys have to work up to that. I don't think I'm going to meet up with him. And this is only the first meeting!!!! The last time a guy told me he wanted to go over to my place he kept saying he wanted a "back massage." Obviously, he wanted sex, because he brought condoms with him. And that was only the second meeting. Sounds like he just wanted sex, if not then he would've had no problem going out to a public place. I swear some guys are just so lazy now a days they're just looking for a quick nut. 1
Fhsjkfjrhsdh3646 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 I dont consider lying, games, and time wasting to be classy. I wouldnt. Id rather a man be honest than waste my time. Ive had guys try to seduce with the movie thing. Ive had guys pretend like they wanted to be my bf so they could get sex. That is being a pig. Um I don't think most guys are being manipulative in asking a girl over to watch a "movie". Anyone who isn't naïve knows being invited over to "watch a movie" or "have a drink" is an invitation for sex. You sound like you're not up for casual encounters, so you can always just decline. Off topic but funny story -- when I was young and naïve I went on a date with an ex co-worker and afterwards when I dropped her off (it was late, 10pm or so) she invited me in to "watch a movie" and she basically wanted to hookup but I thought we were just going to watch a movie We snuggled a bit but I never made my move, still kicking myself for that years later lol. 1
hotpotato Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) Lying, games and time wasting, pretty much describes every girl I know. So don't think its just the poor little girls out there that are getting screwed over. Guy's have to deal with just as much bull**** as you do.[/Quote] Hmm I dont think ice ever tried to lie a guy into a relationship. Females can have such a breezy attitude about sex because they can get it any time they want. For men, sex is something you have to work for, we can't just walk into a bar wearing a skirt with not panties on and go home with the first girl who approaches. [/Quote] As if most women would want to be a hole for some horny dudes... Me personally I just dont need sex enough to where id lie to get it, and tyat has nothing to do with how available it is. *shrug* Plus, if I say I want to date, I mean it. No, men dont have to work for sex as I have already described. I don't know where you live, but in much of the world, hookers are illegal, and cost several times what a date would. On top of that, most females look down on males who have to resort to hookers. So it kinda bites you in the ass. And you dont think girls would look down on you for dishonesty? Men are trying to pay for sex anyway...I also named legal options buuut that takes away from the game and many men like the game. Edited February 17, 2015 by hotpotato
hotpotato Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Um I don't think most guys are being manipulative in asking a girl over to watch a "movie". Anyone who isn't naïve knows being invited over to "watch a movie" or "have a drink" is an invitation for sex. You sound like you're not up for casual encounters, so you can always just decline. Yes, they are. Then they get really scary and angry when she doesnt want to have sex. I value honesty, so yes to me that is manipuoation and time wasting. I quit dating so the problem has been solved completely. Yes, I can say no, but at this time dinner and movie (or whatever date consisted of) is over. Ive wasted my night withba guy who was only after sex. If theyd ask for sex in those first old messages, I would have said no, but I guess thats the problem. Off topic but funny story -- when I was young and naïve I went on a date with an ex co-worker and afterwards when I dropped her off (it was late, 10pm or so) she invited me in to "watch a movie" and she basically wanted to hookup but I thought we were just going to watch a movie We snuggled a bit but I never made my move, still kicking myself for that years later lol. ooops for you!
hotpotato Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Hmm I dont think ice ever tried to lie a guy into a relationship. As if most women would want to be a hole for some horny dudes... Me personally I just dont need sex enough to where id lie to get it, and tyat has nothing to do with how available it is. *shrug* Plus, if I say I want to date, I mean it. No, men dont have to work for sex as I have already described. And you dont think girls would look down on you for dishonesty? Men are trying to pay for sex anyway...I also named legal options buuut that takes away from the game and many men like the game. And no, hookers do not cost several times what a date does unless youre taking your dates to McDonalds
elaine567 Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Are there any guys left in this world who want a relationship and not just sex? And what's the code for, I just want to watch a movie?
hotpotato Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Are there any guys left in this world who want a relationship and not just sex? And what's the code for, I just want to watch a movie? Error 404 code not found
Fhsjkfjrhsdh3646 Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Of course Men are paying for sex either way. How would you feel if a guy made you pay for the first couple dates? Not split - but you pay entirely? You might be OK with it, but 95% of women would have a fit. Of course you're not OBLIGATED to have sex with them because they're paying for dates. Any guy who believes this is misinformed - I know theres a few out there though lol. And not EVERY guy who would hook up with you early on is a bad guy. They might be looking for a relationship but they don't feel like you're the right one - but maybe you both have physical chemistry? What's wrong with that? And how is it being manipulative when anyone who isn't naïve knows that if a guy invites you inside to their place (especially on the first couple dates) that its basically an invitation to have sex? I'm not advocating this type of behavior, but it happens and in no way are guys "the bad guy" -- it takes two to tango. Your views on things are highly misandrist.
Author spanishchick00 Posted February 21, 2015 Author Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Well, it looks like the guy really wanted to get laid because he flaked out and never contacted me via phone about out "meeting up" tomorrow. Ha! He has poor game, suggesting his apartment is the most wonderful place for meeting someone for the first time off the internet. Or maybe he saw that I blocked him on OLD and noticed that my profile got mysteriously "deactivated." And when I told that I usually don't go over to a guys place on the first meeting, he said, "I can respect that." What is he respecting? That I don't want to watch a "movie" aka sex? Ha! Edited February 21, 2015 by spanishchick00
hotpotato Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Well, it looks like the guy really wanted to get laid because he flaked out and never contacted me via phone about out "meeting up" tomorrow. Ha! He has poor game, suggesting his apartment is the most wonderful place for meeting someone for the first time off the internet. Or maybe he saw that I blocked him on OLD and noticed that my profile got mysteriously "deactivated." And when I told that I usually don't go over to a guys place on the first meeting, he said, "I can respect that." What is he respecting? That I don't want to watch a "movie" aka sex? Ha! Ha is right! He respects you because you didnt have sex with him. If you had hopped into bed with him he would have seen you as an easy slut even though he asked for sex, albeit in a roundabout way.
hotpotato Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Of course Men are paying for sex either way. How would you feel if a guy made you pay for the first couple dates? Not split - but you pay entirely? You might be OK with it, but 95% of women would have a fit. Of course you're not OBLIGATED to have sex with them because they're paying for dates. Any guy who believes this is misinformed - I know theres a few out there though lol. And not EVERY guy who would hook up with you early on is a bad guy. They might be looking for a relationship but they don't feel like you're the right one - but maybe you both have physical chemistry? What's wrong with that? And how is it being manipulative when anyone who isn't naïve knows that if a guy invites you inside to their place (especially on the first couple dates) that its basically an invitation to have sex? I'm not advocating this type of behavior, but it happens and in no way are guys "the bad guy" -- it takes two to tango. Your views on things are highly misandrist. As it has already been said, most of the women have said that they join dating sites to date. This is not a difficult concept. If you cant understand the concept that a guy is being dishonest, wasting a womans time, and sunk costs then its pointless to debate with you. It is still time wasting even if sex is involved. Some of us strive to be people of our word and want the same in potential mates. Some women are busy and dont have time for the bs. Theres no reason a man needs to pretend like he wants to spend quality time with a woman to get in her pants. There is something wrong when a man says hey lets watch a movie. Girl comes over, wants to watch movie, and he gets ANGRY or confused. It takes two to tango? One of them doesnt want to dance.
Fhsjkfjrhsdh3646 Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) As it has already been said, most of the women have said that they join dating sites to date. This is not a difficult concept. If you cant understand the concept that a guy is being dishonest, wasting a womans time, and sunk costs then its pointless to debate with you. It is still time wasting even if sex is involved. Some of us strive to be people of our word and want the same in potential mates. Some women are busy and dont have time for the bs. Theres no reason a man needs to pretend like he wants to spend quality time with a woman to get in her pants. There is something wrong when a man says hey lets watch a movie. Girl comes over, wants to watch movie, and he gets ANGRY or confused. It takes two to tango? One of them doesnt want to dance. That would ring true if you were correct about OLD but you're not - Lots of women are on Online Dating for Casual Dating. That is - to date a bunch of people and not get tied down in a relationship. Girl who goes over to watch a movie is misinformed and naïve. Going over to someone's house (or getting invited in) ALWAYS means there is going to be fooling around/sex involved. In some cases girls are the ones inviting guys in. And they STILL don't tell us "Wanna come in and bang me?" - even though I think most guys would be down with the directness lol. I mean sure - you might actually start watching a movie but its nothing more than an excuse to get close to each other so you can touch > make out > clothes off > sex. If you're in the other person's house with them I'd daresay you probably had physical chemistry - otherwise WTF are you doing there? I still don't get how you don't realize this. Women don't want to communicate with a guy and the topic be focused on sex. If Sex even comes up at first, most Women will write that guy off as a creep (even if they are OPEN to first date sex!). Guy charms girl online, guy takes girl out on date, sparks fly, end of date guy asks girl if she wants to come over to his place to watch a movie (wink wink), girl says yes, boom sex. Girl will feel a lot less slutty than sleeping with a guy who messages her saying "Hay I got a big dik, wanna come over and get pounded?" Edited February 21, 2015 by barcode88
hotpotato Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 That would ring true if you were correct about OLD but you're not - Lots of women are on Online Dating for Casual Dating. That is - to date a bunch of people and not get tied down in a relationship.[ yes, it is true. If it says in my profile I want to 'date' that means I want to 'date.' If I say I want fwb it would say looking for casual encounters. This is not a difficult concept. If a man wants sex there's craigslist, tinder, etc. Some of us SAY WHAT WE MEAN, MEAN WHAT WE SAY. If you can't understand that, there's not point in me even trying to dbate you. Girl who goes over to watch a movie is misinformed and naïve. Going over to someone's house (or getting invited in) ALWAYS means there is going to be fooling around/sex involved. In some cases girls are the ones inviting guys in. And they STILL don't tell us "Wanna come in and bang me?" - even though I think most guys would be down with the directness lol. Personally, I have been forthright with guys. Guys just be like wtf? lol Please read the above. Once again, some of us say what we mean, mean what they say. If a woman does that, its still not being honest or forthright. See, this is why i can't date. I knew a man who was very much a man of his word. He invited me over for movie and cuddle, and that's exactly what happened. I don't see why it's difficult for people in general and other men in particular. I mean sure - you might actually start watching a movie but its nothing more than an excuse to get close to each other so you can touch > make out > clothes off > sex. If you're in the other person's house with them I'd daresay you probably had physical chemistry - otherwise WTF are you doing there? To watch a movie, as was agreed upon. This is not a difficult concept. I still don't get how you don't realize this. Women don't want to communicate with a guy and the topic be focused on sex. If Sex even comes up at first, most Women will write that guy off as a creep (even if they are OPEN to first date sex!). Guy charms girl online, guy takes girl out on date, sparks fly, end of date guy asks girl if she wants to come over to his place to watch a movie (wink wink), girl says yes, boom sex. Girl will feel a lot less slutty than sleeping with a guy who messages her saying "Hay I got a big dik, wanna come over and get pounded?" There is more to dating than sex. I want a guy to be forthright with me rather than wasting my time and trying to ease his way in. That way I can X him asap. I guess we can agree that that's the problem-he'd be getting x'd asap and has no opportunity to charm the pants off me. Being a creep is pretending like he likes me or wants to spend time with me when really he wants to have sex. Why don't you get that the date is a waste of my time? If a guy just wants to screw there are venues for that... If a want to date, why would I spend my night with someone who only wants to have sex? In business that's called a sunk cost. He has taken up a valuable resource of mine (time), and I can't get it back. Just because sex is involved doesn't make it OK.
Fhsjkfjrhsdh3646 Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) That would ring true if you were correct about OLD but you're not - Lots of women are on Online Dating for Casual Dating. That is - to date a bunch of people and not get tied down in a relationship.[ yes, it is true. If it says in my profile I want to 'date' that means I want to 'date.' If I say I want fwb it would say looking for casual encounters. This is not a difficult concept. If a man wants sex there's craigslist, tinder, etc. Some of us SAY WHAT WE MEAN, MEAN WHAT WE SAY. If you can't understand that, there's not point in me even trying to dbate you. Personally, I have been forthright with guys. Guys just be like wtf? lol Please read the above. Once again, some of us say what we mean, mean what they say. If a woman does that, its still not being honest or forthright. See, this is why i can't date. I knew a man who was very much a man of his word. He invited me over for movie and cuddle, and that's exactly what happened. I don't see why it's difficult for people in general and other men in particular. To watch a movie, as was agreed upon. This is not a difficult concept. There is more to dating than sex. I want a guy to be forthright with me rather than wasting my time and trying to ease his way in. That way I can X him asap. I guess we can agree that that's the problem-he'd be getting x'd asap and has no opportunity to charm the pants off me. Being a creep is pretending like he likes me or wants to spend time with me when really he wants to have sex. Why don't you get that the date is a waste of my time? If a guy just wants to screw there are venues for that... If a want to date, why would I spend my night with someone who only wants to have sex? In business that's called a sunk cost. He has taken up a valuable resource of mine (time), and I can't get it back. Just because sex is involved doesn't make it OK. I'm sorry, but you are an anomaly when it comes to hookups. For a lot of women dating is just a way for them to hookup. If you think girls "advertise" for FWB you're delusional. If you seriously think in the first couple dates going over to "watch a movie" is appropriate if you don't want to get physical - you're delusional. Of course this is different if its a FRIEND, but not someone you're dating... You aren't going to get any guy to change their ways just because of you. Ohhhh. You love us being forthright with our intentions? Well guess what - 95% of women don't - and we'll get the door shut in our face without getting laid (when they were otherwise willing to put out had we been respectful and made them feel like a lady and not a slut) If you think a guy wants only sex - all you need to do is decline going over to his place. If he stops contacting you ever again, there you go. Edited February 21, 2015 by barcode88
hotpotato Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 I'm sorry, but you are an anomaly when it comes to hookups. For a lot of women dating is just a way for them to hookup. If you think girls "advertise" for FWB you're delusional. If you seriously think in the first couple dates going over to "watch a movie" is appropriate if you don't want to get physical - you're delusional. Of course this is different if its a FRIEND, but not someone you're dating... You aren't going to get any guy to change their ways just because of you. Ohhhh. You love us being forthright with our intentions? Well guess what - 95% of women don't - and we'll get the door shut in our face without getting laid (when they were otherwise willing to put out had we been respectful and made them feel like a lady and not a slut) If you think a guy wants only sex - all you need to do is decline going over to his place. If he stops contacting you ever again, there you go. btw women dont like men being less than honest either hence this thread. Ive also heard other complain about this. Oh yes, we love it when men try to charm the pants off of us. We are gonna have to agree to disagree. Ive already made my points. If you cant see that this guy has wasted my time, I dont know what else to tell you. *shrug*
Fhsjkfjrhsdh3646 Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 btw women dont like men being less than honest either hence this thread. Ive also heard other complain about this. Oh yes, we love it when men try to charm the pants off of us. We are gonna have to agree to disagree. Ive already made my points. If you cant see that this guy has wasted my time, I dont know what else to tell you. *shrug* You might not like it but its how Men get laid. Heck it takes two to tango - most of these girls being charmed are probably more than OK with it. It takes a naïve girl to think a guy owes her anything after having sex on the first date. If you don't want to have sex and/or make out, you shouldn't be going to a private place (his house) with him. You wasted your own time If you think a guy is trying to charm your pants off, wait until like Date 6 to have sex - if he sticks around that long you're probably in the clear and he actually likes you. I'm not personally advocating this type of behavior - I've never done a one night stand. But it does happen, and its usually not the man's fault for being misleading - its the girl's fault for being easy.
hotpotato Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) You might not like it but its how Men get laid. Heck it takes two to tango - most of these girls being charmed are probably more than OK with it. It takes a naïve girl to think a guy owes her anything after having sex on the first date. If you don't want to have sex and/or make out, you shouldn't be going to a private place (his house) with him. You wasted your own time If you think a guy is trying to charm your pants off, wait until like Date 6 to have sex - if he sticks around that long you're probably in the clear and he actually likes you. I'm not personally advocating this type of behavior - I've never done a one night stand. But it does happen, and its usually not the man's fault for being misleading - its the girl's fault for being easy. Girls fault for being easy. Everybody let that sink in! Its cool for a man to lie. Uts tge wimans fault. This is the other side of coming iver for a movie. He thinks youre eady, but its fine for him to be easy because ges a man. Guys really dont respect women who give them what they ask for. Do you not understand that spending time with him on a date was a waste? I dont know how many times to rephrase this. If he had asked forthright, I would have saud no and not wasted my time:confused: I guess saying what you mean is a foreign concept so I wont go into that anymore. Theres more to life than having sex. /discussion Edited February 21, 2015 by hotpotato
katiegrl Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 I've been talking to this guy on okcupid and we have plans on meeting up next week. Drinks/Dinner/Movie. And he keeps suggesting we watch a movie at his place, he took a picture of his apartment and texted me it, saying that he has a "very comfy apartment." I told him no, we'll meet at a public place for drinks/dinner. I was open to a movie if we actually went to a movie theater and see one, I certainly don't want to go to his place. Now, I'm turned off. I was fine talking to him, until he suggested I go over to his place. Code for=having sex. Guys have to work up to that. I don't think I'm going to meet up with him. And this is only the first meeting!!!! The last time a guy told me he wanted to go over to my place he kept saying he wanted a "back massage." Obviously, he wanted sex, because he brought condoms with him. And that was only the second meeting. ^^barcode...if you're reading this...the above is exactly what I was referring to in the thread about guys attempting to "pull a chick in" by texting.....hoping to get sex at first meeting. spanishchick....you're smart by being turned off... that is the correct response. Stay with that, and just move on. Next!!
katiegrl Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 I'm sorry, but you are an anomaly when it comes to hookups. For a lot of women dating is just a way for them to hookup. If you think girls "advertise" for FWB you're delusional. If you seriously think in the first couple dates going over to "watch a movie" is appropriate if you don't want to get physical - you're delusional. Of course this is different if its a FRIEND, but not someone you're dating... You aren't going to get any guy to change their ways just because of you. Ohhhh. You love us being forthright with our intentions? Well guess what - 95% of women don't - and we'll get the door shut in our face without getting laid (when they were otherwise willing to put out had we been respectful and made them feel like a lady and not a slut) If you think a guy wants only sex - all you need to do is decline going over to his place. If he stops contacting you ever again, there you go. Last paragraph.... 100% agree with that....seems like a no brainer to me...
alphamale Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Guys have to work up to that. um, not necessarily
katiegrl Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 hot potato....I am trying to understand what you're saying. Are you saying that if a man invites a woman over to his place on the FIRST date (or in this case the first meet up)...to watch a movie...that if that woman likes him, she should accept his invite...fully expecting that he wants nothing more than to....um, watch a movie??? Do I have that correct?
katiegrl Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 hot potato....I am trying to understand what you're saying. Are you saying that if a man invites a woman over to his place on the FIRST date (or in this case the first meet up)...to watch a movie...that if that woman likes him, she should accept his invite...fully expecting that he wants nothing more than to....um, watch a movie??? Do I have that correct? By the way...if that is what you meant....then that's figgin nuts....and dangerous!!! You should never ever agree to go to a man's place on a first date or meet up....or even the second or third...UNLESS you want to have sex with him. That's a no brainer and to think otherwise is incredibly naive...and as I said dangerous! He could be a serial rapist for all you know.... Just saying.
katiegrl Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 On the other hand, if a woman does want sex...then by all means accept the invite and have at it?!!!
hotpotato Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 hot potato....I am trying to understand what you're saying. Are you saying that if a man invites a woman over to his place on the FIRST date (or in this case the first meet up)...to watch a movie...that if that woman likes him, she should accept his invite...fully expecting that he wants nothing more than to....um, watch a movie??? Do I have that correct? I'm saying that a man should be honest and forthright and not play game. If you wanna eff say you want to eff, then I'll just say no. I agree it's not good practice to go over to random dudes houses! I get that men want to ease their way in, I'm just sayin they *shouldn't* do that. I totally get that anytime a man wants to get a woman alone he wants to eff, unless a woman finds that unicorn of a man who means what he says and says what he means..
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