FitChick Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Look at how much trouble we go to to look for you. I dare the guys to watch the whole thing!
Mangina Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 sorry i could not sit through the first 2 mins. 1
contact1 Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 10 to 15 minutes of putting on make-up? I fail to see how men shouldn't flake on date because of this, how about neither gender should flake on dates as it just waste the other person's time? 5
Danda Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 I think the OP meant it in good humor. I mean similarly if we browse threads 5+ pages long of guys freaking out and sweating bullets about how to ask a gal for a date, that is a reason women shouldn't flake on dates, either, haha. I mean in all seriousness you never really know just how much a person was excited for the chance to have a date with you, so it's just courteous not to flake and not to accept unless you're actually cool with going, since it's undoubtedly often hurtful to a person to be outright stood up after they at the very least dedicated that wedge of time exclusively to you. 4
Gloria25 Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Usorry i could not sit through the first 2 mins. Same here... I'm a woman (yes LS peeps, I was actually born a female) and even as a strong advocate of a woman "dolling up" for he guy, I don't take that long putting on makeup. I don't believe in putting on a "mask". Now, if you're in the entertainment industry and/or in a situation where you need to lay on a heavy set of coverage (Ie. Cuz of lighting on the set) and/or you're like performing in a certain role (Ie. A showgirl character)...yeah, I could see where you'd need to put on that amount and care with makeup. I worked with a smart and gosh, beautiful woman...one day I saw her w/o makeup and she pulls out this whole freakin' kit...too much work for me. 1
evanescentworld Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 ...Mind you.... (I have said this before, I think, but as part of this topic, it bears repetition) If you go out in any fairly major town, on a Friday/Saturday night, you will see couples going out together... maybe to a bar, a restaurant, a show, disco or cinema.... and the ladies (no matter what you may think of their dress-sense, style, fashion tastes) are always elegant. They make the effort from top to toe; hair, make-up, jewellery, clothes, stockings, shoes..... and the guys are in the ever-worn, ubiquitous sweatshirts, jeans and trainers. occasionally a windcheater jacket. Very rarely do I see any guy who's obviously pulled out the stops and made any effort to 'match' his date for the evening. And I think that''s a sad indictment of the lazy attitude some guys have. They don't 'honour' their dates/GFs/wives, by at least trying to look presentable, to respect her efforts. They really seem to not give a damn. Yet I bet most of them, on seeing their dates, ready for the evening, would probably have said "Oh, you look nice/great/beautiful!" My reply would be "and what a pity I can't say the same about you...!" 4
clevelander321 Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 ...Mind you.... (I have said this before, I think, but as part of this topic, it bears repetition) If you go out in any fairly major town, on a Friday/Saturday night, you will see couples going out together... maybe to a bar, a restaurant, a show, disco or cinema.... and the ladies (no matter what you may think of their dress-sense, style, fashion tastes) are always elegant. They make the effort from top to toe; hair, make-up, jewellery, clothes, stockings, shoes..... and the guys are in the ever-worn, ubiquitous sweatshirts, jeans and trainers. occasionally a windcheater jacket. Very rarely do I see any guy who's obviously pulled out the stops and made any effort to 'match' his date for the evening. And I think that''s a sad indictment of the lazy attitude some guys have. They don't 'honour' their dates/GFs/wives, by at least trying to look presentable, to respect her efforts. They really seem to not give a damn. Yet I bet most of them, on seeing their dates, ready for the evening, would probably have said "Oh, you look nice/great/beautiful!" My reply would be "and what a pity I can't say the same about you...!" Guys aren't as fake.. You see what you get.. We are also busy working/inventing/planning instead of studying cosmo to see how we can make our but look bigger, legs look longer, lips bigger, hair lighter, lashes longer, cheeks redder, etc etc. 1
somedude81 Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 It's ridiculous how fake women are. Putting on make up which is basically painting a face over her own, heels to make her taller and have the legs look different. And then who knows what goes into hair. Now is all of this done for men, or for herself/other women?
Gloria25 Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 ...Mind you.... (I have said this before, I think, but as part of this topic, it bears repetition) If you go out in any fairly major town, on a Friday/Saturday night, you will see couples going out together... maybe to a bar, a restaurant, a show, disco or cinema.... and the ladies (no matter what you may think of their dress-sense, style, fashion tastes) are always elegant. They make the effort from top to toe; hair, make-up, jewellery, clothes, stockings, shoes..... and the guys are in the ever-worn, ubiquitous sweatshirts, jeans and trainers. occasionally a windcheater jacket. Very rarely do I see any guy who's obviously pulled out the stops and made any effort to 'match' his date for the evening. And I think that''s a sad indictment of the lazy attitude some guys have. They don't 'honour' their dates/GFs/wives, by at least trying to look presentable, to respect her efforts. They really seem to not give a damn. Yet I bet most of them, on seeing their dates, ready for the evening, would probably have said "Oh, you look nice/great/beautiful!" My reply would be "and what a pity I can't say the same about you...!" Well, guys, IMO, don't require the amount of grooming we females do. On Seinfeld they made a joke about it...Elaine was like 'women are like art, men's bodies are more "utilitarian"...in other words, guys just need a good haircut, shave or kept facial hair, no ear-hair, cut nails, showered and cologne. But yes, I am gonna bring up a date with a guy who showed up in cargo shorts and tennishoes for a first date...pleeeze, who said you wear that on a date? I mean, too casual. But then again, maybe it's a missmatch. I mean I've seen like "hippie" couples where both equally look terrible, but they're a match.
me85 Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 It takes me 30-45 mins to get ready. Maaaaybe an hour, at the most. Which includes: Showering, drying my hair, straightening my hair, putting on very little make up and figuring out what to wear. I don't put much thought into what to wear because the clothes & shoes I own are cute/sexy/nice. So I can't go wrong there. (= 1
BlueIris Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 ...Mind you.... (I have said this before, I think, but as part of this topic, it bears repetition) If you go out in any fairly major town, on a Friday/Saturday night, you will see couples going out together... maybe to a bar, a restaurant, a show, disco or cinema.... and the ladies (no matter what you may think of their dress-sense, style, fashion tastes) are always elegant. They make the effort from top to toe; hair, make-up, jewellery, clothes, stockings, shoes..... and the guys are in the ever-worn, ubiquitous sweatshirts, jeans and trainers. occasionally a windcheater jacket. Very rarely do I see any guy who's obviously pulled out the stops and made any effort to 'match' his date for the evening. And I think that''s a sad indictment of the lazy attitude some guys have. They don't 'honour' their dates/GFs/wives, by at least trying to look presentable, to respect her efforts. They really seem to not give a damn. Yet I bet most of them, on seeing their dates, ready for the evening, would probably have said "Oh, you look nice/great/beautiful!" My reply would be "and what a pity I can't say the same about you...!" I agree! I think dressing to go out is a wonderful ritual. It's the anticipation and beginning of the flirtation. My guy looks fabulous in a suit, as most men do. On NYE, all of the ladies (that he already knew, but usually saw him in golf clothes) were cooing and flattering him. They sure took a lot of pictures of him, I mean, us. Great positive reinforcement! I've turned around and changed clothes many times when a date showed up dressed scrubby to take me out. They usually say "Oh, no! You don't have to change!" But I'm not going out in a silk dress and heels with a guy in jeans or khakis and a Tommy Bahama shirt- that you don't even tuck in, for lord's sake. Have to say this video kind of blew me away, though. The change in her appearance was remarkable. And she looked very pretty. 1
somedude81 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Well, guys, IMO, don't require the amount of grooming we females do. So you are saying that men are naturally better looking than women? That has to be the case because men require much less work to look presentable right?
Gloria25 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 USo you are saying that men are naturally better looking than women? That has to be the case because men require much less work to look presentable right? No, think of it as a Xmas tree vs a rose bush... The guy is the rose bush...he has the flowers, petals, leaves, even thorns and looks sexy as heck...just need to prune him and/or clip him at the stems to present him in a vase. A woman is an Xmas tree...would you prefer a pine tree in your home or the lights, ornaments, angels on top? I mean, pine trees are cute and all without all the lights and stuff, but it's Xmas...we're gonna jazz up our pine tree. Rose bushes don't need lights and decorations...put all that on a rose bush and it just looks awkward. 3
patriciasex Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Women do all of this and then complain that men objectify women and call men superficial. Makes sense. 4
Anela Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 So you are saying that men are naturally better looking than women? That has to be the case because men require much less work to look presentable right? No. .........
SomeDude16 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 U No, think of it as a Xmas tree vs a rose bush... The guy is the rose bush...he has the flowers, petals, leaves, even thorns and looks sexy as heck...just need to prune him and/or clip him at the stems to present him in a vase. A woman is an Xmas tree...would you prefer a pine tree in your home or the lights, ornaments, angels on top? I mean, pine trees are cute and all without all the lights and stuff, but it's Xmas...we're gonna jazz up our pine tree. Rose bushes don't need lights and decorations...put all that on a rose bush and it just looks awkward. Wow!! That analogy was terrific!
somedude81 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 U No, think of it as a Xmas tree vs a rose bush... The guy is the rose bush...he has the flowers, petals, leaves, even thorns and looks sexy as heck...just need to prune him and/or clip him at the stems to present him in a vase. A woman is an Xmas tree...would you prefer a pine tree in your home or the lights, ornaments, angels on top? I mean, pine trees are cute and all without all the lights and stuff, but it's Xmas...we're gonna jazz up our pine tree. Rose bushes don't need lights and decorations...put all that on a rose bush and it just looks awkward. How come women aren't rose bushes too? That's what I don't get. Women do so much extra that's far beyond what they need to look good. 1
SomeDude16 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 How come women aren't rose bushes too? That's what I don't get. Women do so much extra that's far beyond what they need to look good. Ya man I feel you. I hate it when a woman feels the need to get all caked up with makeup just to go grab a bite to eat. I think my guess would be it plays into gender roles and social norms. For such a long time women had all these expectations by society to look good. Times are changing but some of it still remains. Just my guess.... 1
Danda Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 How come women aren't rose bushes too? That's what I don't get. Women do so much extra that's far beyond what they need to look good. There are some funny little image things that show side by side: 1. Woman with HEAVY makeup (quote from guy saying "I don't like you in makeup, it looks fake") 2. Woman with natural-looking makeup (quote from guy saying "See you look better without makeup") 3. Woman with NO makeup at all (quote from guy saying "Are you feeling okay, you look kinda sick?") Anyway it seems like most men like a little bit of makeup, just to accentuate a woman's features, like a little bit of eye make to make her eyes 'pop' and maybe a pinch of color on the lips or something. I think it's when women look like Mimi from the Drew Carey Show that a lot of men are like HOLY ****, haha. 8
Author FitChick Posted January 16, 2015 Author Posted January 16, 2015 Here is the I Love Lucy episode that illustrates this idea of how men dress for a date vs women. If you don't want to watch the entire 25 min. watch the first four minutes and you'll get the message. I love how Lucy is dressed in the opening scene. So chic! Enjoy!
Gloria25 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Ya man I feel you. I hate it when a woman feels the need to get all caked up with makeup just to go grab a bite to eat. I think my guess would be it plays into gender roles and social norms. For such a long time women had all these expectations by society to look good. Times are changing but some of it still remains. Just my guess.... I'm sorry, but I beg to differ... When I see women not being "feminine" - especially for their guy, to me it's such a turn off. I think it's even sadder that some men don't appreciate the beauty of a woman. If I were a guy, I would want a woman that looks like a woman. Men are visual creatures...to try to say how a woman presents herself can be adjusted w/o consequences, IMO is another fight against biology garbage being spewed by advocates for gender-bending...or, maybe the guy has some issues with his sexuality where he prefers dating men, so leans towards women who do not have feminine features and/or attributes. 1
maysj18 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) So much hate for makeup- sheesh. I just want to say that 1) this is a makeup tutorial; of course it's going to take awhile 2) by the end, she just looks like a typical girl with makeup on; I think she hardly looks any different than she did without makeup and it's definitely not over the top Now, moving on... I love makeup. It's a hobby of mine. I have no interest in anything artistic as I suck as painting, drawing, interior decorating, or anything else artsy fartsy. When it comes to makeup though, I'm actually good at it. With that being said, I like to spend a lot of time becuase I know what I'm doing and I want to make sure everything is blended. I'm not piling it on and for anyone who knows how to properly apply makeup, you know that adding a lot is a huge no-no. I don't do this to put on a mask because I'm self-conscious or to trick someone into thinking I'm pretty (because honestly, 99% of the time I don't have a drop of makeup on my face), I do it because it's a blast. Most of the time spent putting it on is all due to BLENDING and not because we're constantly adding more products. The steps I take in putting on foundation or eyeshadow may seem dramatic to some people, but it's only because I want to make sure that everything looks as natural and clean as possible. I have crappy hair and I suck at fashion, so why can't I branch out and have fun with my makeup without being considered "fake"? I thoroughly enjoy it and for it to look good, it does take awhile. I'm not ashamed of my naked face at all, but when I do wear makeup I might as well go all out considering how expensive it is and how much fun I have doing it. Andddd I get asked if I'm sick all the time when I don't have any on, so I guess we can't win. Edited January 16, 2015 by maysj18 3
Gloria25 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Women do all of this and then complain that men objectify women and call men superficial. Makes sense. Those women do not understand the concept of "time and place"... I dress very conservatively, prudish even...but when I'm out with a guy, it's tight, cute, or downright sexy clothing, smelling nice and makeup...I don't do that for anyone else. In the bedroom, sexy heels, thongs, bodysuits - you name it. When I exercise, it's baggy/loose clothing...but, I see other women trotting around the gym in tights, sports bras - everything showing boobs, butts, and then some. Again, I'm not on display for the world...and trust me, I got the body for it. So, I'm not "on display" like some women are. I do that for the guy I'm seeing. Also, women gotta understand that men are visual...if you dress a certain way, you're gonna get a "primal" response. I was listening about some chick in high school who wanted the school to make rules about cat-calling cuz guys were bothering her when she wore short-shorts...she said she did it to "stay cool" in the summer and was being objectified...whatever. She could wear ten other things other than "short-shorts" to stay cool in the summer. My fav podcaster is funny...she's over 65 and says she loves when guys complement her when she's wearing sexy jeans/tights - cuz she works(ed) hard for her bod. 2
Danda Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Ya man I feel you. I hate it when a woman feels the need to get all caked up with makeup just to go grab a bite to eat. I think my guess would be it plays into gender roles and social norms. For such a long time women had all these expectations by society to look good. Times are changing but some of it still remains. Just my guess.... No jab, you are just an unusually mature and down to earth guy about such things. Society in general hasn't actually changed. I have a punkish, longer pixie cut, and pretty obvious hooters under my clothing. I went out to eat the other night without any makeup on, and the waitress (another woman, mind, not even a man) referred to me as "him" when she glanced in my direction and was talking about the sequence in which she would be taking orders at the table. At a glance, because I have shorter hair and had no makeup on, the fact that I was female was apparently glossed over. I didn't have irrelevant 'clues' like eye shadow and such. 'Course the waitress looked a couple shades paler when she actually zoomed in on me to take my order, apologized and said she thought I was a young boy, and there was a moment of awkwardness around the whole table. So point is that many people still look for such socially engineered gender clues. And that's why woman doll up like that. I'm a pretty tough cookie but even I was embarrassed for a moment, and I imagine for some women, especially like on a date, something like that would be outright humiliating. If you're a more down to earth person and notice the subtle things that clearly make women, women, then awesome. Unfortunately many people, not so much. 1
Danda Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 I'm sorry, but I beg to differ... When I see women not being "feminine" - especially for their guy, to me it's such a turn off. I think it's even sadder that some men don't appreciate the beauty of a woman. If I were a guy, I would want a woman that looks like a woman. Men are visual creatures...to try to say how a woman presents herself can be adjusted w/o consequences, IMO is another fight against biology garbage being spewed by advocates for gender-bending...or, maybe the guy has some issues with his sexuality where he prefers dating men, so leans towards women who do not have feminine features and/or attributes. Gloria, respect and such, but I don't go out with "caked" makeup, and that doesn't mean guys who think I'm cute are gay. =/ I agree with you about trying to be feminine, though. I wear clothing that fits and like to make my hair cute and such. I think there is a difference, though, between showing off and accentuating our natural womanliness, and something like caking on makeup. Not that the latter is inherently "bad." But the former aint gender-bending, come on now lol.
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