Interracial relationships bring out the racism in society (long)

March 27, 2005

First of all, I would like to say that I am by no means racist. I have friends from many different parts of the world both male and female. However, I must admit that the interracial dating trend in our society is something I'm not too fond of.

I would be more supportive of interracial dating if the gender ratios were not so lopsided. I have read many posts on Loveshack.org which suggest that Asian males and Black females are the losers in the interracial dating market, and unfortunately I only need to step outside my front door to see how true this is.

Black men are stereotyped to be athletic, muscular and sexually well-endowed, therefore they are popular with White women. I only need to open one of the women's magazines and read testimonials from White women who brag about how Black men make good lovers. Many White teenage girls salivate over the scantily clad Black R&B and hip-hop artists that can be seen in any Top 40 music video program. On the other hand, Black women are generally considered unattractive by White men. They are dismissed as being large and heavily built, with dirty-looking skin and coarse hair texture, and hence unfeminine.

Asian men are considered overintelligent, weak, socially incompetent and unmanly, so many White women turn their noses down at the prospect of dating one. There have been entire threads on LS about this topic, with White women openly dismissing Asian men as unattractive. On the other hand, Asian women are seen as passive, soft-spoken and more domesticated, with an exotic/erotic appeal that White male perverts can't resist.

If Black women and Asian men are lacking dating partners because the members of the opposite sex in their respective races (Black men and Asian women) are pinched away by White people, then ideally they should find solace in their loneliness by dating each other. But when was the last time you have seen this interracial pairing? It's very rare if not nonexistent.

If interracial relationships were only a product of the increasingly multicultural nature of our society, and nothing else, then there would be a more level playing field. The fact that certain racial combinations are so much more common than others reflects the fact that for many people, the main motivation behind interracial dating is stereotyped views of masculinity and femininity. Black men are considered hyper-masculine and Asian women hyper-feminine, and Black women are stereotyped as butch and Asian men as effeminate.

I don't see this as being a product of increased racial tolerance, if anything it only reinforces how racist our society is by adhering to age-old stereotypes and exclusion on the basis of skin colour. I'm sick of hearing lame excuses from people who date interracially, such as 'it's love, why does skin colour matter' and 'love is colourblind'. The point of the matter is, the amount of true 'love' in many of these relationships is virtually nonexistent. Most of the time it's cultural or sexual stereotyping, or some sick fetish.

In Australia where I come from, I notice many middle-aged Anglo men marrying Asian women half their age (or even a third of their age in some cases). I can scan the personals section of a newspaper and see many ads saying something along the lines of 'Aussie male seeks quiet, exotic, shy Asian female', with no such preference for women of other races. If the ad simply stated a preference for an Asian female, then for all you know it could be an Asian male placing the ad. Unfortunately, the ads explicitly refer to the White race, implying that White men and Asian women are somehow meant for each other more so than other interracial pairings. This is absolutely degrading.

Many White men also enjoy going on sex tours in Asia. I'm sure that women in other parts of the Third World, like Africa and Latin America, also resort to prostitution as a means of subsistence, so if a White man wants some cheap sex, then why doesn't he go to a country somewhere closer to home? I don't support the foreign sex trade at all, but why do so many North American and European men make the long trip to Asia to have sex with foreign prostitutes? It's bleeding obvious that they prefer sleeping with Asian women, whom they regard as fragile, delicate little China dolls with sweet-tasting and slanted pussies.

White men also regard Asian women as submissive and have been known to import Asian mail order brides with the expectation that they will slavishly serve them. On the internet, Asian women abound in porn sites and mail order bride sites. There is more Asian porn on the internet than White porn (I don't need to go deliberately looking for it, just type 'Asian' into a search engine and all you'll get are porn sites), reinforcing the fact there is definitely some stupid Asian women fetish among White men.

There are other aspects of interracial relationships that I don't agree with, but the reason why I have focussed on the White male/Asian female relationship is because it's the most common interracial pairing, and also the most degrading. There doesn't seem to be the same level of degradation behind, say, a White female and Black male relationship. Don't dismiss me as some unattractive White woman complaining about White men dating Asians because I can't attract a White man - as an Anglo woman I am actually ashamed of how the men in my culture view Asian women. I think they should be made aware of how many White men see them as penis receptacles and are just out to use them, and to stay well away from dating and marrying such men.

In theory, I don't think interracial relationships are a bad idea. The world would be a much better place if people were more tolerant and did not judge others based on racial origin. Unfortunately, I don't condone how the interracial relationship trend works in practice because many interracial daters are not looking for a person, but rather, a race and the physical/cultural stereotypes that supposedly come with that race. It's actually less racist to stick to dating people in one's own race, because at least there are no ulterior motives that way. I think the intention behind many relationships in general are quite questionable, but interracial relationships stick out like a sore thumb in this regard.

For those who are interested, here is a good article on the biased nature of interracial relationships:

http://www.nationalreview.com/14july97/feature.html

March 27, 2005

This is a free world. Hating another race is evil. But loving it is not racism. For some obscure reason you think that f*cking Asian women means hating them - enslaving them and making them unhappy, that is. Well you're wrong. We will love whoever we want to and thank you very much for your opinion, Ms. self-called racist.

I think you're just jealous of the sexuality that Asian women ooze!

March 27, 2005

Originally posted by RecordProducer
This is a free world.

Try telling any communist government that it's a free world. Anyway, next point.

Originally posted by RecordProducer
Hating another race is evil. But loving it is not racism. For some obscure reason you think that f*cking Asian women means hating them - enslaving them and making them unhappy, that is.

Asian women are very frequently enslaved and made unhappy when they are made to work in brothels (and there are many of them). By the way, why are you equating loving with f*cking? Do you think men going on sex tours love the Asian women they f*ck?

Originally posted by RecordProducer
I think you're just jealous of the sexuality that Asian women ooze!

I have nothing to be jealous about. I have more meaningful goals in life than craving for millions of guys to pursue me for sex.

March 27, 2005

The point of the matter is, the amount of true 'love' in many of these relationships is virtually nonexistent. Most of the time it's cultural or sexual stereotyping, or some sick fetish.

There you go again with the bogus and entirely unsupported generalizations.

In Australia where I come from, I notice many middle-aged Anglo men marrying Asian women half their age (or even a third of their age in some cases).

White men also regard Asian women as submissive

And there you have it. An unfortunate number of throwback men who long for the 'good ol' days when men ruled the roost and women's role was to obey'. So what's the problem? That there are a bunch of knuckle-draggers on the planet? Not much you can do about it. Most were born to mothers who bought into the 'superior men' BS and brought their Darling Boys up to expect to be treated royally. Mamma did all the housework and cooking and never asked Darling Boy to help or learn or be anything but catered to so Darling Boy grew up expecting it. That was then and this is now.

Give it another twenty years and most of these fossils will have died off, thank heavens. Then it's only the ultra-religions Right with their 'women shall obey their masters' garbage to worry about. Fortunately, they seem to find enough of their own kind among brainwashed white women to mate with.

March 27, 2005

For some obscure reason you think that f*cking Asian women means hating them - enslaving them and making them unhappy, that is.

The sex industry in Asia is disgusting. It's horrible. Bringing a woman desperate to get out of her country to yours so you can f*ck her and keep her meek and compliant is disgusting.

I think you're just jealous of the sexuality that Asian women ooze!

You'd be oozing something too if you'd been forced to sleep with men since you were 11.

March 27, 2005

Originally posted by RecordProducer
This is a free world. Hating another race is evil. But loving it is not racism. For some obscure reason you think that f*cking Asian women means hating them - enslaving them and making them unhappy, that is. Well you're wrong. We will love whoever we want to and thank you very much for your opinion, Ms. self-called racist.
I think you're just jealous of the sexuality that Asian women ooze!

Sorry, I've appreciated your other posts about tolerance, but this one I can't agree with. Very often in relationships with this big age gap it's not love, but economical reasons behind the marital vows. The older men have the money to buy a younger woman who is financially dependent on him and that's it. Most of these guys are just some old perverts who lust after a younger woman and Asian women tend to look younger for their age.

March 27, 2005

Fatal Femme, this is an EXCELLENT thread and you raise many, many important points. There are many studies and a lot of objective research to back up what you are saying .....too bad the guidelines for posting quotes on this site are so rigid. It is just about impossible to find a site with an .edu doman that has articles that are not deemed to be copyrighted by the moderators. Here. I have tried posting some and even if there is no copyright notice, the moderators have STILL edited out the comments and deemed them to be copyrighted material. Even a review of an article by a well respected researcher and writer was dismissed as a blog.

It leaves discussions trapped in the "that's just your opinion", you are making generalizatoins" wateland and gives people an escape route so that they don't have to face tough issues.

Having said that I am in FULL agreement with these points:

If interracial relationships were only a product of the increasingly multicultural nature of our society, and nothing else, then there would be a more level playing field. The fact that certain racial combinations are so much more common than others reflects the fact that for many people, the main motivation behind interracial dating is stereotyped views of masculinity and femininity. Black men are considered hyper-masculine and Asian women hyper-feminine, and Black women are stereotyped as butch and Asian men as effeminate.

I don't see this as being a product of increased racial tolerance, if anything it only reinforces how racist our society is by adhering to age-old stereotypes and exclusion on the basis of skin colour. I'm sick of hearing lame excuses from people who date interracially, such as 'it's love, why does skin colour matter' and 'love is colourblind'. The point of the matter is, the amount of true 'love' in many of these relationships is virtually nonexistent. Most of the time it's cultural or sexual stereotyping, or some sick fetish.

I agree with this 100%.

If Black women and Asian men are lacking dating partners because the members of the opposite sex in their respective races (Black men and Asian women) are pinched away by White people, then ideally they should find solace in their loneliness by dating each other. But when was the last time you have seen this interracial pairing? It's very rare if not nonexistent

Asian men and Black women need to move beyond the stereotypes. There is an excellent article about Blasian relationships that goes into the reasons why this combination has a lot of potential. Since I can't post it I hope that people will go to Google and find it themselves.

I have dated Asian men and these are some of the best relationships I have had. By the way, when you are out with an Asian man as a Black woman, be prepared for the stares from Black women, Black men and Asian men. It's like total shock and awe. I just want to say "what are YOU looking at?"

Anyway, dating Asian men has, so far been a positive experience for the most part. It has been refreshing to be treated like a lady instead of what I and the other Black women I know have far too often encountered with Black or White men. You know what, I have had to listen to enough put downs of Black women on this site as ugly and unattractive and undesireable that I am going to speak my piece.

I am not saying that ALL Black men are like this or even most Black men but, far too often with Black men, my friends, relatives and I have run into the following:

- expecting you to pick up the tab or pay for the date - some White women will put up with this - I don't know too many Black women who will

- hitting on you for sex during the first date

- expecting you to work and bring home the lion's share of the income

- expecting you to do all or most of the housework

- not appreciating the finer things in life - heaven forbid that one should go to a nice restaurant, a classical music concert, the ballet, afternoon tea, or on a nice vacation - too often this is dismissed as WHITE yet these same men will accompany a White woman to these activities without complaint

- heaven forbid that they should ever change a diaper - that's women's work

- discussion and communication - what's that?

- gentlemanly manners, what's that?

- FEELINGS and EMOTIONS - what's that?

I am not saying that ALL Black men are like that, but these are some deeply entrenched attitudes within our community. Someitimes Black men don't want to date Black women becaue we won't put up with their crap

Now these comments are not about ALL White men either. I have a few friends and relatives who are in long term successful marriages with WONDERFUL White men. Unfortunately, I have found that most White men wouldn't even consider dating a Black woman. As Fatal Femme pointed out, they tend to really buy into the media stereotypes. If you aren't in your twenties, arent's skinny, don't have big tits, and egads don't have long blonde hair....forget it, they ain't interested. So, as Black women, we don't usually have a crack at the "cream of the crop among White men. Far too many of those who are willing to date Black women are all too often (not in all case but all too often) losers that no WHITE woman would want. So you have to put up with:

- men who are into kinky S & M sex and contact Black women on-line because they buy into the stereotypes of Black women being strong and want to engage in some perversion

- men who hit on Black women for sex during the first few days as they have been watching too many rap videos

- men who have a HOST of problems including depression, bi-polar disorders, panic attacks, anger management issues, alchohol problems (if I go on another date and the man tells me he is a recovering alchoholic I will scream)

- men who have fallen on hard times such as being laid off - no White woman wants them so they'll try Black

- gentlemanly manners - "Shat's that? Where can I find another beer?"

- FEELINGS and EMOTIONS - what's that?

Again I stress, this is not in all cases but it's a trend and it's disturbing. It's as if some White men will only move beyond the media stereotypes if they have no other options.

By contrast, the Asian men I have dated have:

- been at my level or above financially and in terms of career achievement

- treated me like a lady - held doors open, helped me with my coat, pulled back my chair at dinner

- paid EACH AND EVERY TIME we have gone out - there has never been ANY question of dutch treat

- taken time to get to know me as a PERSON before attempting to engage in physical intimacy

- been excellent conversationalists, able to discuss a BROAD range of topics

- been able to discuss their FEELINGS and EMOTIONS

Now I know that ALL Asian men in the world don't display these behaviours. I think though that when a Black women and Asian man pair up they are more likely to be at the same level in terms of education, social class level, etc. There is none of this "having to settle" because the Black men at your level are pairing up with White women or, with few exceptions, the White guys willing to date you are on the loser track.

If things don't get sorted out in my current relationship, I will be attending Asian churches and social functions and seeking another partnership with an Asian man with whom I can interact as an equal instead of being entrenched into media stereotypes. I am not saying that I would never date a man of another race. I am open to that and I don't discriminate when it comes to race. But never again will I settle because some Black men expect women to put up with their crap and so many White men refuse to move beyond the media stereotypes and see the beauty in me. Never again will I doubt my worth because some White or Black man would rather buy into media stereotypes than try to establish a relationship with a real woman not just some fantasy image that has been rammed down their throats to sell products and pornography.

March 27, 2005

BTW, Femme Fatal, a better title for this thread would be Interracial Relationships REFLECT the Racism in society. Your current title has great shock value though and will get people in here. Hopefully, once they are here, I hope they will take the time to READ and truly reflect on the TRUTH that you have had the guts to say.

March 27, 2005

In Australia where I come from, I notice many middle-aged Anglo men marrying Asian women half their age (or even a third of their age in some cases). I can scan the personals section of a newspaper and see many ads saying something along the lines of 'Aussie male seeks quiet, exotic, shy Asian female', with no such preference for women of other races. If the ad simply stated a preference for an Asian female, then for all you know it could be an Asian male placing the ad. Unfortunately, the ads explicitly refer to the White race, implying that White men and Asian women are somehow meant for each other more so than other interracial pairings. This is absolutely degrading.

This is disgusting.

I'm from Australia (Sydney) too. I happen to be dating an Asian woman right now. But I didn't place any ad asking for quiet, exotic, or shy Asian females. It just happened. And she sure as hell ain't quiet or shy, or a door mat. Exotic yes, but by way of her personality, not her looks

If I were to stun Asian, or women of any other ethnic background, I would be deemed racist. I am going with the flow.

Also it takes two (2) to tango. Why are these so called quiet, exotic, shy Asian females marrying White/Australian men in the first place?

Well?

I think it is patronising and degrading to refer to women who date or marry White/Australian men as quiet, exotic, and shy "Asian" females.

You may not be racist, but, sorry to say, you sure as hell have a massive chip on your shoulder.

March 27, 2005

I don't think she was talking about a relationship between equals.

March 27, 2005

Originally posted by Fatal Femme
If interracial relationships were only a product of the increasingly multicultural nature of our society, and nothing else, then there would be a more level playing field. The fact that certain racial combinations are so much more common than others reflects the fact that for many people, the main motivation behind interracial dating is stereotyped views of masculinity and femininity. Black men are considered hyper-masculine and Asian women hyper-feminine, and Black women are stereotyped as butch and Asian men as effeminate.

I don't see this as being a product of increased racial tolerance, if anything it only reinforces how racist our society is by adhering to age-old stereotypes and exclusion on the basis of skin colour. I'm sick of hearing lame excuses from people who date interracially, such as 'it's love, why does skin colour matter' and 'love is colourblind'. The point of the matter is, the amount of true 'love' in many of these relationships is virtually nonexistent. Most of the time it's cultural or sexual stereotyping, or some sick fetish.

In theory, I don't think interracial relationships are a bad idea. The world would be a much better place if people were more tolerant and did not judge others based on racial origin. Unfortunately, I don't condone how the interracial relationship trend works in practice because many interracial daters are not looking for a person, but rather, a race and the physical/cultural stereotypes that supposedly come with that race. It's actually less racist to stick to dating people in one's own race, because at least there are no ulterior motives that way. I think the intention behind many relationships in general are quite questionable, but interracial relationships stick out like a sore thumb in this regard.

I am a white woman.

I have dated Asian men, white men, black men, mixed (Japanese-white, black-white-native american, black-white) men, Latinos... I personally am not looking for a specific race for the person that I am with. If I meet a man that I like that is white, he gets a chance. A black man, him too. An Asian, yep. You get the picture.

I don't think that you can assume that every inter-racial couple out there is looking for a specific race. To me, it's just not relevant what color they are. If I am attracted to a person, I will go out with them if they are into me too regardless of what skin color or ethnicity that they happen to have. It does NOT matter what color they are, I like men! I do not have some sick fetish and I don't play into cultural stereotypes. I find it interesting that you are calling people like myself racists because we date people outside of our own race sometimes...

Currently I am dating a man who is mixed black white. And one of my best friends is a black man who I go out with a lot too. These things just happened, I didn't have some sick plan. I have white male friends as well that I go out with. Nobody stares at me when I'm out with any of them, nor does anyone say anything rude to us, regardless of what ethnicity they are.

I live in a city where there are more non-white people than there are white, so maybe people here just are a little more tolerant of the world that we live in today than where you live. I also work in a place where the percentage of people there are around half black and half white.

When the world starts getting these kinds of percentages, where there are equal numbers or more non-white people around than white, then maybe all of this stuff will fall by the wayside. Because it's going to happen in the US... It is expected by 2050 that there will be more black people/latino people/asian people put together than there will be white (as a country). (From the Census 2000)

Welcome to the world's growing multi-culturalism. Get used to seeing inter-racial couples, because it's going to happen more and more.

March 27, 2005

I'm from Australia (Sydney) too. I happen to be dating an Asian woman right now. But I didn't place any ad asking for quiet, exotic, or shy Asian females. It just happened. And she sure as hell ain't quiet or shy, or a door mat. Exotic yes, but by way of her personality, not her looks

No one said that ALL White men date Asian women due to stereotypical reasons. There are many relationships between the races that take place because the people truly have a lot in common, admire and respect each other. There are also, unfortunately a LOT that fall into the category of buying into stereotypes. One need only stroll boards like this one and read the reasons men give for dating Asian women, not dating Black women, prefering blondes, etc. to get a sense of what we are talking about. The dating world is NOT a level playing field but that does not mean that there aren't some plays on level ground.

I have dated Asian men, white men, black men, mixed (Japanese-white, black-white-native american, black-white) men, Latinos... I personally am not looking for a specific race for the person that I am with. If I meet a man that I like that is white, he gets a chance. A black man, him too. An Asian, yep. You get the picture.

And that is exactly the way it should be....that is how I date too. I wish the men in my area and on boards like this one would give me the same respect of approaching me as a person instead of automatically ruling me out because of my colour.

I don't think that you can assume that every inter-racial couple out there is looking for a specific race. To me, it's just not relevant what color they are.

I wish there were more who thought like you. Certainly not every interracial couple is out there looking for a specific race. However, there is a LOT of automatically ruling out Black women and going after Asian women due to certain stereotypes of both races. Don't take my word for it. Just read some of the comments from men on this very board. This board is not an isolated case. It is a reflection of what is going on all over the net and in society at large and quite frankly I am disgusted.

If it were simply a question of people of different races meeting and falling in love there wouldn't be such a HUGE imbalance between the number of Black male/ White female vs White Male/ Black female OR White male/ Asian female vs Asian male/ White female relationships. There are clearly more factors at play here and stereotyping and racism has a LOT more to do with it than most of us would care to admit.

March 27, 2005

To the opening poster. I checked your source. I do agree with your points and there are MANY credible sources to back them up. Steve Sailor is not one of them. He was busted for posting bogus articles using bogus statistics. He even lied about census data which was stupid because it can easily be verified. If memory serves me correctly, he was fired when this was discovered.

March 27, 2005

I wish the men in my area and on boards like this one would give me the same respect of approaching me as a person instead of automatically ruling me out because of my colour.

I still doubt it has much to do with your colour.

March 27, 2005

Originally posted by moimeme
I still doubt it has much to do with your colour.

I love you sometimes moi!! (Topaze can't read my comments cause I have the honor of being on her block list )

Original poster, you are expressing what I call self-validating racism. You are still thinking in terms of race. Sad. Reading your original post made me so pissed off. Because my Dad is white and jewish, and my Mom is asian. And they have a large age difference. But I have like the best Dad that anyone could have wanted. My mother purposely picked out a man who was older, more stable, and established, because she wanted someone who would be loyal and a good father to her children. Don't hate !!

Hey I have a great idea. Why don't we stop thinking about things in terms of race and just look at PEOPLE. Some people are crappy a**h***s with no morals, and it has nothing to do with their race.

March 27, 2005

Moimeme, I think we are all on her ignore list....

March 27, 2005

Moimeme, I think we are all on her ignore list....

Gee. My heart is broken.

March 27, 2005

I'm asian and it really pisses me off how SOME white men perceive our race. It's true. They think we're so easy to get and all we want is their f*cking citizenship.

Well this is a msg to perv white men.... GO F*CK YOURSELVES

**note to the moderator** You may erase the rude bits if you want to

March 29, 2005

From my own experience, it does appear to me that most interracial couples may be more interested in the novelty of their pairing than anything else. I also notice that it appears white women do find black men attractive based on stereotypes. I can also somewhat agree that most black women and asian men appear to be left out of the interracial dating scene. You make some interesting points, and although such points do not always apply, I will not be rude and shout 'racist', or poke holes in your personal observations and opinions.

As for ignoring race and color, and viewing people as a whole, I do not think that will be able to happen for a long while, if ever at all. Stereotypes exist, and are sometimes perpetuated by their respective races, colors, and creeds. So long as stereotypes have some bit of truth to them, they will not fade for a good long while.

March 29, 2005

Originally posted by Topaze
If things don't get sorted out in my current relationship, I will be attending Asian churches and social functions and seeking another partnership with an Asian man with whom I can interact as an equal instead of being entrenched into media stereotypes. I am not saying that I would never date a man of another race. I am open to that and I don't discriminate when it comes to race. But never again will I settle because some Black men expect women to put up with their crap and so many White men refuse to move beyond the media stereotypes and see the beauty in me. Never again will I doubt my worth because some White or Black man would rather buy into media stereotypes than try to establish a relationship with a real woman not just some fantasy image that has been rammed down their throats to sell products and pornography.

Hey Topaze, it's great to see a Black woman dating Asian men. It would be fantastic to see more 'Blasian' relationships - but unfortunately, as I stated, this isn't happening to any great extent. Sorry to hear about your failed experiences with Black men but please don't exclude men from your own race based on negative stereotyping - two wrongs don't make a right.

Originally posted by masked_man
Also it takes two (2) to tango. Why are these so called quiet, exotic, shy Asian females marrying White/Australian men in the first place?

Well?

Yes it takes two to tango and I have noticed that Asian women are dating/marrying White men in increasing numbers. Some of them are after citizenship and are just using the men to stay in Australia, without knowing that they are engaging in a high risk venture which will not pay off. They do not know that the incidence of violence perpetrated against Asian partners by White men is quite high, and I think they should be made aware of this.

In Australia there have been quite a few high-profile violent crimes committed against Asian women by their White husbands, as described on this web site:

[Moderator Note: Posting commercial links is against the guidelines]

Other Asian women are influenced by the White-controlled mass media, which portrays White (and Black) men as fitting the ideal of masculinity while emasculating Asian men. Generally speaking, Asian men aren't portrayed as attractive in the media - we hardly see them in movies (except as martial artists or gangsters) and the most famous Asian male in the music industry is probably William Hung the American Idol reject, and he's portrayed as a cack rather than someone to admire. Societal brainwashing is one reason why Asian women regard men from their own race as unattractive and seek out White men.

Originally posted by masked_man
I think it is patronising and degrading to refer to women who date or marry White/Australian men as quiet, exotic, and shy "Asian" females.

I never referred to Asian women who date/marry White men as quiet, exotic and shy. I know many of them are not. If anything, it's the men they're involved with that see them that way and specifically seek these traits in the Asian women.

Originally posted by shamen
I don't think that you can assume that every inter-racial couple out there is looking for a specific race. To me, it's just not relevant what color they are. If I am attracted to a person, I will go out with them if they are into me too regardless of what skin color or ethnicity that they happen to have. It does NOT matter what color they are, I like men! I do not have some sick fetish and I don't play into cultural stereotypes. I find it interesting that you are calling people like myself racists because we date people outside of our own race sometimes...

Don't get me wrong, I think multiculturalism is a great thing. I find interracial relationships, in theory, a wonderful concept that could potentially reflect a more racially harmonious and open society. It's the way it's practiced that I see as unfair, and even disturbing given some societal trends. If you date across a spectrum of different races and cultures then kudos to you. However, I still think a disproportionately large number of interracial daters are only seeking a specific race. I can find many ads in the personals from White men seeking Asian women, but how many of those men would consider dating Black women as well? None of them, or else they wouldn't specifically state a preference for an Asian woman.

Shamen, you give people from different races a fair go and for that reason I don't think that you're racist. Unlike many others who would only date people of one race which isn't even their own, that is racist because it is driven by stereotypes of the other race. Quite a few White men are extremely open about preferring Asian women, and among these men there is increasing hatred for White women. Here is a link to a White man's rant on why not to marry Anglo women, and why foreign women are better:

Originally posted by shamen
Welcome to the world's growing multi-culturalism. Get used to seeing inter-racial couples, because it's going to happen more and more.

I am very welcoming of the world's growing multiculturalism, but most couples still consist of White men/Asian women or Black men/White women. It would be a very positive thing to see more White men/Black women and Asian men/White women couples, and to see more Blacks and Asians dating each other, but unfortunately this isn't happening. Increasing multiculturalism may explain the increase in interracial dating, but it doesn't account for the skewed gender/race ratios. So one must reject the null hypothesis and look for other explanations, and unfortunately it seems that cultural and sexual stereotyping are the main factors at work here.

Originally posted by Topaze
No one said that ALL White men date Asian women due to stereotypical reasons. There are many relationships between the races that take place because the people truly have a lot in common, admire and respect each other. There are also, unfortunately a LOT that fall into the category of buying into stereotypes. One need only stroll boards like this one and read the reasons men give for dating Asian women, not dating Black women, prefering blondes, etc. to get a sense of what we are talking about. The dating world is NOT a level playing field but that does not mean that there aren't some plays on level ground.

My thoughts exactly - I am by no means implying that ALL interracial relationships are bad. I'm sure that some of them involve two people who really love and care about each other, but who just happen to be of different skin colour. However, it's still pretty obvious that the world of interracial dating certainly does not give certain groups of people a fair go, and quite a few relationships have ulterior motives ranging from the merely stereotypical to the downright exploitative.

Originally posted by Mr Spock
The sex industry in Asia is disgusting. It's horrible. Bringing a woman desperate to get out of her country to yours so you can f*ck her and keep her meek and compliant is disgusting.

Originally posted by kooky
Most of these guys are just some old perverts who lust after a younger woman and Asian women tend to look younger for their age.

I agree with both of you. In fact it never occurred to me just how degrading some White men's views are towards Asian women. With the anonymity of the Internet it's a real eye-opener to see people say what's really on their mind, and most of the time it isn't pleasant.

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I understand that it is a humour/parody site, but there are some very degrading comments in the guestbooks which reveal the ugly truth of how White men see Asian women and their real motivations for being involved with them. It is these trends in interracial dating that I find disturbing.

March 29, 2005

I'm currently dating a black guy.. and it's a bit unusual here in New Zealand.. people staring at us when we're in town. Hehe. Anyway...

I think fatal femme's just saying the truth. She's not racist or anything.. I really think what she said was true. Asian men arent portrayed well in the media.

I dont care whatever race a guy is.. as long as he's fun to be with.. who cares about his race?

March 29, 2005

Originally posted by Fatal Femme
Quite a few White men are extremely open about preferring Asian women, and among these men there is increasing hatred for White women. Here is a link to a White man's rant on why not to marry Anglo women, and why foreign women are better:

Well, the hard truth is, many of these men you look in a catalogue and choose a bride are pretty much outside the dating game. They are bitter, because they can't meet the standards of a modern woman whose improving economical prospects made them independent from a provider. This shift in the criteria that women apply on a potential partner leaves these oldfashioned guys out. Women today are just not willing to do the chores alone, they're not willing anymore to be willing whenever he feels like, they are not submissive as they used to be and they are more picky than ever. I don't really think that it's only superficial reasons why these guys get rejected, it's their views, that they are great and wonderful guys and that you can buy everything with money.

However, it's still pretty obvious that the world of interracial dating certainly does not give certain groups of people a fair go, and quite a few relationships have ulterior motives ranging from the merely stereotypical to the downright exploitative.

Well, that's a point that I can't completely agree with. Apart from the above mentioned imbalance I'm not sure if racial preference is really worth to be condemned. If according to your theory that a lot of people consider black men the culmination of masculity and Asian women the ideal women, why are there so few combinations of black men and Asian women?

March 29, 2005

Originally posted by Fatal Femme
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That page is full with stupid ranting men who think they are such great catches. I'm always surprised by the blissful ignorance that men have about their own appearance and intelligence while women put themselves down for every stupid gram of weight they gained.

March 30, 2005

People here are making wrong assumptions. With all the respect for the Asian whores, there are no greater whores in this world than white women. Because Asian women do it for money or citizenship, but white women do it out of conviction!

Oh, for money as well...but we don't want to talk about it.

If men want to enslave their wives, it's not a racial issue; it's a some-men-are-a**h***s issue!!!

March 30, 2005

Hello all,

I've looked into this subject many times over the last 2 years, and nothing the main poster in this thread has written is even remotley new. This exact subject has been done to death on forums like the "Asianwhite relations" that was originally in Delphi.forums and relocated to yahoo and a variety of smaller websites.

i would like to bring a few points to bear in relation to what femme fatale has written.

- The section in refrence to using search engines to find asian porn and then rating the responces as an indicator of quantity is a flawed statement. yahoo/google/ etc do not display webpages in different languages unless requested, hence searching for asian IN ENGLISH on google will fetch results based on Us/europe/OZ and english language sites in other countries, now seeing as most asian people are in asia using their own language, mandarin,cantonese,japanese,korean,vietnamese Etc there is not a huge amount of general asian sites in english for google etc to trawl through therefore the naughty sites targetting westerners float to the top and are skimmed off by the search engine.

ill write some more later but i got to get back to work >.<"

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