She finally admits to loving me

[lollipopspot]

So Mr. Clean is a female to male transexual?

 

To be fair, Mr. Clean doesn't actually clean, he supervises the women (seriously!)

[Strength in Healing]

So Mr. Clean is a female to male transexual?

 

 

Mr. Clean sure isn't handing his products to any men.

[RonaldS]

I guess I don't quite understand this whole thing...

 

So, he loves he. Completely. Totally. Then, she tells him that she loves him. Am I right so far?

 

True love is reciprocal, correct? So, if she loves him, is to that the end of the business deal? Would be for me.

[thefooloftheyear]

I guess I don't quite understand this whole thing...

 

So, he loves he. Completely. Totally. Then, she tells him that she loves him. Am I right so far?

 

True love is reciprocal, correct? So, if she loves him, is to that the end of the business deal? Would be for me.

 

 

You should know this by now, bro...When someone says ILY, they aren't holding a hand on a Bible or anything...So what does it really mean, anyway.?? I've said it before...She probably does love him - like a young woman loves a rich uncle....

 

 

On another note, after thinking about this for a while. I gotta wonder what the responses would be if the roles were reversed..Like some 55 year old woman meets a young kid still in college...Talks about how hot he is and how hot his body is and how great the sex is...Then proceeds to say that she is helping him with his college/life expenses and "really doesn't think he'll hang around. but I am going to enjoy the hell out of this while it lasts!!"...

 

Id be willing to bet anything that there would be a whole lot of high fiving and "you go, girl" nonsense and a lot less scorn, ridicule and concern for someone's potential hurt "feelings"....

 

TFY

Edited August 15, 2014 by thefooloftheyear

[Els]

I don't know if it's my bias or the posts I choose to read, but there does seem to be more posts slamming women than those slamming men.

 

I agree with this in general, but in this thread in particular IMO it was this post that started the mud-slinging:

 

Most men find love with someone who does want to stay with them, and is not there for the money. And let's call a spade a spade - she is there because you are paying her to be with you. Doesn't sound very romantic IMO, but I guess if you feel honored to pay for something other men are getting for free, and from women who want to be with them, then I guess that's too bad for you. You will have spent $100,000+ for someone who will move on as soon as school is over.

 

 

Most women nowadays have a job and earn an income, and contribute to the family/couple's expenses. Apparently you chose poorly when choosing a wife who did not contribute to the family/couple income, and who did not (if you are to be believed, and I have my doubts) have any affection for you from day one, from your wedding night and throughout your marriage. One has to wonder why you married such a person in the first place. You go from a wife who sucked you dry and contributed nothing, to a hooker who cost you $100,000+ or more, and leaves you as soon as she doesn't need your money anymore. Doesn't sound like progress to me. But apparently you don't mind being used by women, and being raked clean by women financially or emotionally. I'd have to wonder what your relationship with your mother was like, that you choose women like this to spend your time and money on. You sound like a doormat to me.

[TXGuy]

This one seems to me as an uplifting story. A guy seems to think he has found love. I'm not convinced that is the case, but he has a better shot than most. he has had a successful two year relationship with a woman who has attributes he seems to appreciate. I'm not sure why some women object to his story. If anyone is being exploited it is the guy ($4k/mo), but he seems to be ok with it.

Edited August 18, 2014 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[TigerLilly78]

Well, that is a matter of semantics. Being a sugar baby is quite a different life from that of an escort. She depends on me for support just like my ex wife did. The only difference being that my sugar baby is nice to me, we have fun, she treats me with respect, and we have great sex... and of course she is way too young and beautiful for me.

 

I really hate to be negative here but its not like having a wife OP a wife genially doesn't run out on her husband when he runs short on cash not a good one anyways but a escort will..

 

Answer me this honestly if you lost everything tomorrow would she still be by your side? measure any declarations of "love" by your answer and you will have the truth..

 

PS... im not a "hater" I have no reason to hate its your life I just don't think its healthy to encourage some things...

[Candy_Pants]

This thread is about OP's SB finally telling him that she loves him. Not about the mortality of their relationship. Or about the probability of her "staying" even if tomorrow he had no money.

 

Judging by his posts he isn't in la la land thinking her declaration of love meant the "love" that moves mountains and makes romantics puke.

 

Why does their relationship matter SO DAMN MUCH to some posters? Besides being off topic, what do you think you're "helping" by repeating the same things over and over and over that the OP has acknowledged already (over and over)?

[TigerLilly78]

This thread is about OP's SB finally telling him that she loves him. Not about the mortality of their relationship. Or about the probability of her "staying" even if tomorrow he had no money.

 

Judging by his posts he isn't in la la land thinking her declaration of love meant the "love" that moves mountains and makes romantics puke.

 

Why does their relationship matter SO DAMN MUCH to some posters? Besides being off topic, what do you think you're "helping" by repeating the same things over and over and over that the OP has acknowledged already (over and over)?

 

 

I just hope he really dose realise whats what cause when and if that day comes if he dosent its going to be a real shock to him. I cant speak for others but for myself this just doesn't seam like a healthy relationship for the OP. That's why I say what I do and I do not just coddle him and tell him its all good cause I don't believe that would best serve him..Sorry to burst bubbles but just being honest if hes happy now awesome I just hope it doesn't all bottom out if things ever go south that's all..im glad she told him she loves him and I hope she means it for his sake..

[Robert Z]

Last night was our first date since her birthday dinner. The sex was the most intense, passionate, intimate sex we have ever had. She is looking at me and acting like a woman in love.

[Robert Z]

I really hate to be negative here but its not like having a wife OP a wife genially doesn't run out on her husband when he runs short on cash not a good one anyways but a escort will..

 

Answer me this honestly if you lost everything tomorrow would she still be by your side? measure any declarations of "love" by your answer and you will have the truth..

 

 

Up until a few months ago I would have been toast; perhaps still friends but not the situation we have. And I accepted that from the start. Now, I don't know. We will see. I think any reasonable person would quickly recognize that this is an evolving situation.

 

But for the record, plenty of women leave their husbands if they lose everything. Finances are the number one cause of divorce. And over half of all marriages end in divorce.

 

 

I can tell you this. I have less money than any of the other men she saw. She could definitely do a lot better than me. Right now I am living in a 2 bedroom apartment. And if the deal I'm working goes wrong, I could end up filing for bankruptcy. I have bet everything. And she knows it.

Edited August 15, 2014 by Robert Z

[Smilecharmer]

This thread is about OP's SB finally telling him that she loves him. Not about the mortality of their relationship. Or about the probability of her "staying" even if tomorrow he had no money.

 

Judging by his posts he isn't in la la land thinking her declaration of love meant the "love" that moves mountains and makes romantics puke.

 

Why does their relationship matter SO DAMN MUCH to some posters? Besides being off topic, what do you think you're "helping" by repeating the same things over and over and over that the OP has acknowledged already (over and over)?

 

I agree. The morality, prostitution angle of RobertZs relationship with his sb has been talked and debated to death on other threads so to argue the same points here seems OT. He seems to have a good grasp on the different dynamics at play here. He also has the right to prefer anything he wants, as do we all. Not sure why so many are so invested in him having a traditional relationship if that isn't what he wants.

 

RobertZ, any new developments?

[Robert Z]

Something else that has changed. We talked about our relationship a bit and it didn't make her uncomfortable to talk about my feelings for her. That is also a first. We even talked about the night that I fell in love with her.

 

Btw, she gets a kick out of the comments made here. We always talk about the feedback to my comments.

 

And she LOVES Candy Pants.

Edited August 15, 2014 by Robert Z

[Robert Z]

Last night was our first date since her birthday dinner. The sex was the most intense, passionate, intimate sex we have ever had. She is looking at me and acting like a woman in love.

 

RobertZ, any new developments?

 

 

You just missed it. It was a fantastic evening.

[Smilecharmer]

You just missed it. It was a fantastic evening.

 

We cross posted.... I'm happy that you are euphoric.

[Robert Z]

We cross posted.... I'm happy that you are euphoric.

 

 

Thanks. She is sleeping now and I have to go to a customer site early this morning. I plan to join her in bed again later this morning. [i'll be working very quickly ]

 

Hot sweaty sex on a hot august night. It doesn't get any better than that.

[Robert Z]

At least be consistent about whom you want to paint as the victim here.

 

 

Indeed, there are no victims here. It is a win-win. It isn't right for everyone but it works for us.

 

 

For the record, if you parse out the money, she is making less than $50 an hour. Hardly escort wages. She was doing better but keeps spending more time here.

[Robert Z]

Well...then I don't see how you could be considered a sugar daddy? From my understanding Sugar Daddy's take care of all your financial needs.

 

 

? Why do you think this isn't the case? The point is that I'm not the richest person around by far.

 

I do well but I'm not Warren Buffet. If this was strictly about money, she wouldn't be here.

[Art_Critic]

Btw, she gets a kick out of the comments made here. We always talk about the feedback to my comments.

 

Does she know you post here and read your posts ?

 

I ask as that might change or motivate her to say or do one thing or another...

[Robert Z]

I have mentioned posting songs to vent my emotions. For anyone interested who wants to know where my head has been, these songs say it all. The music is the only thing that keeps me sane while I'm trying to keep our relationship in balance, so as not to blow this.

 

 

Ain't no sunshine when she's gone.

 

We danced in the nude to this one. That rattled her. She had never heard the song and had no idea what was coming. This was after I had been seeing her for a little over a year. It nearly cost me the relationship.

Annie's Song

 

Lady in Red

I so wish I could show you a picture of her. She is stunning.

 

As far as connecting, about the third time I saw her, or at least early in the relationship, I wanted her to hear a song that expressed my... energy at the time. It completely described my world at that moment. I had been going nuts with escorts. Much to my surprise, as soon as the music started, she started singing along. It was her favorite song when she was a child. We sat there watching the video and singing together while comparing notes on who we thought were the hottest women in the video. She is sexually attracted to other beautiful women. So there I was not only connecting this this fantastically beautiful young woman, but in a way I never had with any woman before. It was quite an amazing moment for a man who went without sex for ten years.

Mambo No 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNlbPFHtnGg

Edited August 15, 2014 by Robert Z

[Robert Z]

Another interesting couple of twists on all of this. Firstly, She is acting as a model for advertising purposes, for my company. That is why I gave her a percentage. But with her now near the completion of her degree, she needs to put in time providing professional consulting services for people like me, which we are doing. She provides free consulting in areas that I need help, services for which I might be paying $100-$200 an hour, and in return she gets credit towards her professional certification. It is an ideal situation. We just had our first few sessions and we both thought it went well. I wasn't sure if either one of us would be able to change the mindset but it really wasn't a problem. It was all very professional.

Edited August 16, 2014 by Robert Z

[Robert Z]

As for the nature of this relationship, the truth is that we have both given up trying to define or understand all of this. We are just two nice people who by chance came together, developed a special bond in spite of our age difference, who have a practical relationship that benefits both of us. It is confusing and complicated and perplexing. It was highly unlikely from the start. And the odds of us being where we are today are astronomical in their own right. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that 30 months or so down the road we would be closer than ever and living five minutes apart.

 

 

We talked quite a bit the other night about her letter. It was such a relief to be able to go back and discuss what I call the waxing and waning. When she felt I was getting too close, she would pull back. Then she would let down her guard and allow herself to get closer. There was an imaginary line that she was trying to maintain but it was never in the same place. And of course I was always trying to push that line closer and closer, always hoping that in spite of the odds, maybe I would be that one in a million. And why not? I have bet on the long odds before and won. But no matter how this works out it always came back to the same basic logic. Don't worry about the future and just enjoy it while it lasts.

[Robert Z]

I guess I don't quite understand this whole thing...

 

So, he loves he. Completely. Totally. Then, she tells him that she loves him. Am I right so far?

 

True love is reciprocal, correct? So, if she loves him, is to that the end of the business deal? Would be for me.

 

Eventually we will reach this point. But for now she is depending on until she gets on her feet. I made a commitment to support her. What kind of man would I be if I abandoned her financially BECAUSE she said she loves me? She moved to a different State and is paying college tuition because I promised I would take care of her.

 

And again, I want to make it clear that she didn't say she would marry me. In fact she first stated the difficulty here because she knows how I feel about her. She didn't want me to get the wrong idea. There are many kinds of love. BUT, I also know what I see in her eyes sometimes. I think there is more there but she may never allow herself to go there even if I'm right.

Edited August 17, 2014 by Robert Z

[Robert Z]

I am also struck by the lack of romance in the hearts of many women. So much for true love or any of that. I guess it is all about age and meeting expectations for some people. That idea of unlikely love is just too much to stomach, eh? Hearts and souls be damned. This doesn't fit my mold?

[Robert Z]

The other night I picked up a new type of wine that she really liked. So she drank a bit more than she normally would [she didn't drink at all for a long time]. After making love, we were lying in bed and talking while basking in the glow of candlelight and the afterglow of a wonderful evening. Our pillow time has always been special.

 

 

I was telling her about this thread and asked if she wanted to know how I described her. Sure! So slowly I recanted the words as best as I could remember them. Super classy, sophisticated, charming... Suddenly she gushed, "You think I'm charming?" I guess in all of my adoration I have left that one out in the past. But it led to a particularly close moment. She isn't shallow by any stretch but she loves to be adored.

Edited August 17, 2014 by Robert Z