Grumpybutfun Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Equality will never be achieved until women serve in the infantry (not just "combat roles") and are required to register for selective service. Also when women die in coal mining and other industrial accidents, and work as trash haulers in the same percentage as men (so on and so on, you get the idea) THAT is when we will be truly equals. Let me be clear - women and men deserve equal opportunity, dignity, human respect, accountability and responsibility as well. That is what equality looks like. One more thing. Please do not disrespect all the good non-feminist men who fought, died, voted, donated, marched and wrote the very laws that improved the lives of women in the US. To claim that it was all women and feminists making these changes is egregiously false. It plays well as a folk narrative and political propaganda, but not right. A lot of regular, plain old simple men did most of this work - spurred on by early feminists. To say otherwise is offensive and untrue. She wasn't disrespecting anyone. As for women won't be equal until....well, they are already equal to men in my book because they can birth babies, nurture them with their own bodies and for that, they do not have to go into the midst of battles for me to respect them and think them equal. G Just as a friendly aside, the female posters here aren't the evil ex so don't take anger out on them because of the break up, the divorce or the child custody battles. Be kind. Edited July 7, 2014 by Grumpybutfun 3
d0nnivain Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 These things do not make you a feminist, it makes you a good partner and an awesome date who is adapting to changing social norms like the rest of us. Do not let anyone tell you different. I'm happy in my own skin & I am a feminist. I work in a male dominated field because I like it, not to make a point. The only time I get all crazy about feminism is when somebody tries to tell me I can't do something simply because I am female or they call me "honey" or "Sweetheart" in a condescending way. The point of my post was to show that not all feminists are man hating nut jobs. 1
serial muse Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 Dating a feminist is NOT the same. This is like saying dating a Conservative is the same as dating a Liberal. Clearly not true. The basic values are vastly different. Not taking sides on this one, just pointing out a clear fallacy. Equality will never be achieved until women serve in the infantry (not just "combat roles") and are required to register for selective service. Also when women die in coal mining and other industrial accidents, and work as trash haulers in the same percentage as men (so on and so on, you get the idea) THAT is when we will be truly equals. Let me be clear - women and men deserve equal opportunity, dignity, human respect, accountability and responsibility as well. That is what equality looks like. One more thing. Please do not disrespect all the good non-feminist men who fought, died, voted, donated, marched and wrote the very laws that improved the lives of women in the US. To claim that it was all women and feminists making these changes is egregiously false. It plays well as a folk narrative and political propaganda, but not right. A lot of regular, plain old simple men did most of this work - spurred on by early feminists. To say otherwise is offensive and untrue. I didn't see anyone disrespecting men in this thread. I also didn't see anyone suggesting men aren't involved in the struggle to obtain equal rights for women. Where do you see that? Anyway, one could certainly call those men who fought for equal rights for women feminists. And more power to them. 1
Glinda.Good Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 It's baffling to me why the topic of feminism often brings mention of women not equalling men in risking their lives in warfare. Historically, women have not been involved in declaring wars. If everything has to be perfectly equal, maybe the equivalent percentage of woman who have been instrumental in choosing to solve disputes by war already ARE seeing battle. I believe the number of men killed in wars worldwide is not higher than that of women, even if the women were not fighting. Anyway, more women die in childbirth worldwide than men die in combat. More women are killed in domestic violence in 5 years than all the deaths in the Vietnam war (this is per the AMA. There are many MRA online who attempt to refute this, I'm aware of that. I choose to put my trust in the AMA; it is not an organization with an agenda). Regarding chivalry - women didn't come up with that. And the concept of "women and children first" is rooted in a concern for the future - children and those who traditionally are in charge of their care. Plus, many men enjoy being heroic. So … what does this all have to do with RIGHTS?
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