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Religion showing it's true colours.

 

Guess you've convinced yourself of that. Is this what you'll tell God at the judgement?

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Not unheard of M30USA. Economic imperialism and all that.

 

 

 

 

The Americans funding the warlords.
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God doesn't owe us anything. He blesses those who put their faith in him. You should read the bible and learn who God is and how great he is.

 

God will bless them with food if they put faith in him? Or still no?

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The Americans funding the warlords.

 

Why not just punish them then? Why the need to use innocent people as pawns? God can help but won't or he can't help? Would you blame those kids for turning their back on god?

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Ultimately you must accept the fact that the world is the way it is, correct? I mean, reality is reality. You are correct that children die and suffer. Someone, some god, or some force (evolution) made it this way. Correct? Call it whatever you want. The truth is that you are criticizing reality, the universe, and forces higher than you will EVER understand even if you lived 100,000 years.

 

So the logical conclusion we must draw here is that, given that the universe is the way it is (whether God or Satan created it), you are merely showing your arrogance and pride by criticizing it as a mere creature in the creation. And if you still disagree with this point, then begin to FEED these hungry people that you feign concern over.

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There are many children in Africa who would be starving who aren't starving because people God is impressing to help them are going into the country and giving them food and care.

 

I have family members who believe in God and serve Him whom God has convicted to do this who are, as I write this post, doing it. Who also are giving not only food but also medical help to orphans in Africa. I have three family members who have been traveling to and from Africa over the past thirty years to help people over there. I also have friends who are doing this.

 

I have family members who have brought children from Africa into their homes in their own country to care for them, giving them food, medical care, clothing, housing and love. They are doing it in the name of God and in response to His call.

 

This to me is one of the ways I know God does exist. There are many other ways that convict me of God's existence.

 

Look around you and see who are the individuals (not organizations) who are quietly going to those in need, both in your own native country and also in other countries. Who is it that you know of who is giving of themselves, sometimes sacrificially, to help others? For me, more times than not, I observe it is individual Christians.

 

Not all of the kids in Africa are starving because of these people and people like them.

 

Someone mentioned that OP alone couldn't feed all the kids in Africa even if he gave all he had.

 

However, it's possible that God has put it on his heart to help feed the kids in Africa (as it is obviously on his mind since he wrote this post) as He has on many many other hearts. Many of those people ARE responding to the call to help feed the kids in Africa.

 

If everyone whom God has convicted about this would answer the call to help, very possibly all the kids in Africa could be fed.

 

But, the problem lies with the many who are not responding to what God is asking them to do, not with God.

 

It takes no intelligence or courage to insist God doesn't exist. Anyone can do it.

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God doesn't owe us anything. He blesses those who put their faith in him. You should read the bible and learn who God is and how great he is.

 

So what about the starving African Christian kids? Why hasn't he blessed them? What did they do to deserve their circumstances?

 

Replace 'great' with 'cruel' and your statement would make a lot more sense.

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It takes no intelligence or courage to insist God doesn't exist. Anyone can do it.

Nor does it take any intelligence or courage to insist that God DOES exist.

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So what about the starving African Christian kids? Why hasn't he blessed them? What did they do to deserve their circumstances?

 

Replace 'great' with 'cruel' and your statement would make a lot more sense.

 

 

 

you know the starving christian kids are the most loving and accepting children who appreciate anything for that reason alone they are blessed and every hair on their sweet heads is numbered.......

 

children suffer due to man not to god......i was raped by a man as a five year old not by god but by a man... a man decided to deflower every hole in my bpody not god but a man............you talk of these kids but yet you know not of suffering you bluster and shake your fist at the sky and say there is no god but yet you do nothing....as a man.....just another man who if he followed gods ways...wouldnt be saying something he would be doing something....just liek the man who raped me as a child if he had lived gods ways i wouldnt have been deflowered and considered damaged goods.....by who????....men......so who is the real problem here....the god who gave em comfort when i ebcame an incontinent five year old.......or men who cant read a simple book, believe it to eb true and follow those principles.....i dont blame god i give praise for he warms my heart when i have flashbacks......i dont need someone to pat me on the back and go there there how horrible theres no god is there??????....god is an active god who gives me what i needed to survive then and now eh touches me when men cant.........i blame ignorant men.......and ill pick up your slack on the line .....dont worry i will do your bit for you.....so you can sit there and say there is no good or god.....ill do good and prove you wrong................deb

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So what about the starving African Christian kids? Why hasn't he blessed them? What did they do to deserve their circumstances?

 

Replace 'great' with 'cruel' and your statement would make a lot more sense.

 

So let's say Satan really created the world. Then he'd be responsible for the dying children? And would you stop criticizing him as creator?

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So what about the starving African Christian kids? Why hasn't he blessed them? What did they do to deserve their circumstances?

 

Replace 'great' with 'cruel' and your statement would make a lot more sense.

 

Do you know any of these starving children, Tyler?

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Nor does it take any intelligence or courage to insist that God DOES exist.

 

 

It is not the ones who insist that God exists or that God doesn't exist who prove a point.

 

It is those who answer the call who prove He exists.

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Is this a Christian god, or god who deals with everyone?

 

 

There are many children in Africa who would be starving who aren't starving because people God is impressing to help them are going into the country and giving them food and care.

 

I have family members who believe in God and serve Him whom God has convicted to do this who are, as I write this post, doing it. Who also are giving not only food but also medical help to orphans in Africa. I have three family members who have been traveling to and from Africa over the past thirty years to help people over there. I also have friends who are doing this.

 

I have family members who have brought children from Africa into their homes in their own country to care for them, giving them food, medical care, clothing, housing and love. They are doing it in the name of God and in response to His call.

 

This to me is one of the ways I know God does exist. There are many other ways that convict me of God's existence.

 

Look around you and see who are the individuals (not organizations) who are quietly going to those in need, both in your own native country and also in other countries. Who is it that you know of who is giving of themselves, sometimes sacrificially, to help others? For me, more times than not, I observe it is individual Christians.

 

Not all of the kids in Africa are starving because of these people and people like them.

 

Someone mentioned that OP alone couldn't feed all the kids in Africa even if he gave all he had.

 

However, it's possible that God has put it on his heart to help feed the kids in Africa (as it is obviously on his mind since he wrote this post) as He has on many many other hearts. Many of those people ARE responding to the call to help feed the kids in Africa.

 

If everyone whom God has convicted about this would answer the call to help, very possibly all the kids in Africa could be fed.

 

But, the problem lies with the many who are not responding to what God is asking them to do, not with God.

 

It takes no intelligence or courage to insist God doesn't exist. Anyone can do it.

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It is not the ones who insist that God exists or that God doesn't exist who prove a point.

 

It is those who answer the call who prove He exists.

 

 

And that DOES take both intelligence and courage!

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Is this a Christian god, or god who deals with everyone?

 

God of the Universe has given His life in Jesus Christ for the world.

 

He gave for all, not just followers of Jesus Christ (who are called Christians because they follow the Christ).

 

His mercy goes out even now to all who will accept what He has graciously sacrificed for all.

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Religion requires little intelligence. My daughter believes in father christmas as did i at her age. A little fantasy is healthy.

 

 

And that DOES take both intelligence and courage!
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I worked that one out. Watch life of Brian and try not to be offended.

 

 

God of the Universe has given His life in Jesus Christ for the world.

 

He gave for all, not just followers of Jesus Christ (who are called Christians because they follow the Christ).

 

His mercy goes out even now to all who will accept what He has graciously sacrificed for all.

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Religion requires little intelligence. My daughter believes in father christmas as did i at her age. A little fantasy is healthy.

 

 

children are naturally more intelligent than adults.......its natural intelligence.......ever talked to a child and been blown away with logical succinctness...ask a child to solve the worlds problems pick any problem you will see what i mean......we make life complex when it doesnt need to be......

 

 

children well....be as children we were told.......god got it right......as always and forever......deb

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The Americans funding the warlords.

 

I don't think Americans are the only ones...

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TD I know the idea of God just doesn't jive with you and that's fine. And it is certainly a reasonable and common question that gets asked by folks that don't believe in God and by a darn large number of those that do.

 

The simple answer to the question is that he has chosen not to.

Why? Don't know, I'm not God and don't pretend to understand how he thinks.

If you want to understand better why Christians don't totally run away from their faith with stuff like that in the world, just google. Tons of apologist and other smart folks that touch on the subject. It may never make sense to you how or why people believe in God but it may in the least provide explanation to how we think.

 

Sure I have asked the question before..many times in fact. Bottom line for me is that there are just things that will probably never make sense to me in this life so I can choose to accept them and move forward/take action as not accepting them will result only in wallowing, standing still, and placing blame. For me, having faith in God, having faith in him managing "the big picture" is what helps me in the acceptance. Sitting around and blaming God does no good...really, what does saying "it is God's fault" or "God turned his back" do? I doubt that is really what gets a rise out of him...I could be wrong. One could argue that a scenario like that is planned on his part, prompting an individual to ask questions, seek truth, take action, and ultimately build a stronger relationship with him. Possible? To me yes, but I understand for you it is totally irrelevant. Oddly enough however, you and I may end up on the same path in terms of "so what are we gonna do about it?"

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children are naturally more intelligent than adults.......its natural intelligence.......ever talked to a child and been blown away with logical succinctness...ask a child to solve the worlds problems pick any problem you will see what i mean......we make life complex when it doesnt need to be......

 

 

children well....be as children we were told.......god got it right......as always and forever......deb

 

Tell the truth!

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It sounds like you are looking for a reason to blame it on God.

There are starving people so it must mean God doesn't care.

Why doesn't God just take care of all suffering?

I once blamed God for my problems. I yelled and then tried to bribe him into getting my way.

What did I learn? God does listen to you but his answer might not be what we desire.

Why don't you ask him why he allows suffering. Have you really inquired or did you just use suffering as an excuse to not help/believe?

Maybe you don't really want to know because, if you did and he answered you, it might require action on your part. Wonder if you asked him and he told you he was just waiting on people who would be willing to help.

If you are concerned about the starving then, why don't you do your part and God will do his.

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To those people whom I've been debating with:

 

I'm trying to understand where you are coming from. Are you protesting and criticizing the way the world is (whoever created it), or are you just trying to make sense out of the world and understand it better? I know this sounds like a stupid question but how you answer it completely alters the discussion.

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It sounds like you are looking for a reason to blame it on God.

There are starving people so it must mean God doesn't care.

Why doesn't God just take care of all suffering?

I once blamed God for my problems. I yelled and then tried to bribe him into getting my way.

What did I learn? God does listen to you but his answer might not be what we desire.

Why don't you ask him why he allows suffering. Have you really inquired or did you just use suffering as an excuse to not help/believe?

Maybe you don't really want to know because, if you did and he answered you, it might require action on your part. Wonder if you asked him and he told you he was just waiting on people who would be willing to help.

If you are concerned about the starving then, why don't you do your part and God will do his.

 

Who's saying I don't do my bit to help the unfortunate? When's god going to start pulling his weight?

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When's god going to start pulling his weight?

 

God himself came down from his eternal throne and died as a common criminal so that you and I would have an option out of eternal damnation. Anything that happens in these temporary years on earth is like chump change in comparison.

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