Camaro Guy Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 It seems like I can't get anything right when it comes to women. It seems like women are instantly turned off by me when I'm in the vicinity. It seems like any small thing you do turns them off. Not being muscular enough. Not the right voice tone. Not having a place of your own (not me but other guys, we're only 23). Being a virgin (hate it). It just seems like a cycle you're stuck in for the rest of time, when you didn't have a chance to establish a good standing with girls in your teen years. As women get older, they get more picky and hard to please. It's like what's the point? 1
Assasda Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 hahaha. I'd say the older they get they get less picky. First of all man never try to impress women. Just try to live your life as normal as you always do, and you'll attract them. I dont now what you're trying to "establish" with them. You should never see yourself below women I recomend reading "Pimp" by Ice Berg Slim 2
Salvatore85 Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 You aren't stuck at all, you're exactly where you've chosen to be. How many times have you seen a female that you find attractive and chose not to approach her or just went on your marry way because you cancelled yourself out from the start? "I'm not good looking enough, I'm not tall enough, I don't live on my own, I'm not muscular enough, I don't make enough money". Stop doing this, just stop. You've shot yourself down before you've even given her a chance to do so. Here's the thing, you aren't going to get every female you find attractive. That's just the way it is but getting discouraged about that is the wrong thing to do. Think about it like this "Do you stop playing basketball if you miss a shot? Do you stop playing guitar if you can't play stairway to heaven after the first day? Do you stop cooking if your egg plant parmesan turns out like **** on your first try?". Of course not, so why then do you take an opposite approach to females? Everything is impossible if you don't try mate.... 9
Potz4prez Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 OP: You either need to build your self confidence up (work, hobbies, friends, etc) and/or go to therapy. You need to be someone PEOPLE want to be around. Not just girls. 3
soccerrprp Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 It seems like I can't get anything right when it comes to women. It seems like women are instantly turned off by me when I'm in the vicinity. It seems like any small thing you do turns them off. Not being muscular enough. Not the right voice tone. Not having a place of your own (not me but other guys, we're only 23). Being a virgin (hate it). It just seems like a cycle you're stuck in for the rest of time, when you didn't have a chance to establish a good standing with girls in your teen years. As women get older, they get more picky and hard to please. It's like what's the point? I'm sorry you feel this way. You should be well aware that not all men feel this way. I certainly don't and my experiences have not been yours. What's the point is the type of question that comes from men and women who have had a long(er) history of relationship failures and a question is a rather rhetorical in my view. There is something about YOU. YOU are the common denominator here. What do YOU do or don't do. What do YOU offer? What kind of women/girls do YOU approach? It is an obvious fact that many women are not as interested in looks, etc. As women get older (and hopefully wiser, though this doesn't always happen), they are better in tune with what is important and what they want. Do YOU offer security? Do YOU offer confidence? Do YOU have a healthy view of women, life, etc.? Finding someone and maintaining a relationship is hard work. Are YOU willing to work hard to achieve the right, healthy relationship for YOU and your SO? 7
SpringBaby Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 It seems like I can't get anything right when it comes to women. It seems like women are instantly turned off by me when I'm in the vicinity. It seems like any small thing you do turns them off. Not being muscular enough. Not the right voice tone. Not having a place of your own (not me but other guys, we're only 23). Being a virgin (hate it). It just seems like a cycle you're stuck in for the rest of time, when you didn't have a chance to establish a good standing with girls in your teen years. As women get older, they get more picky and hard to please. It's like what's the point? I agree with you, most women do get more picky with age. Although I think it's more that we have had experience in life and with men and know what we want. But I think you should focus on your positive traits because they seem like they are many. My ex was younger than me and a virgin, he lived with his brothers, he had an average job...ok he was built like a Calvin Klein model...but he had the personality to match. He was educated, honest, and a nice guy, too nice at times, but that's why I loved him. You'll find the right girl...for you, just take your time and be positive. Ask a woman you trust if there is something you need to improve on and be done with it, live your life and have some fun. Salvatore85, gave great advice so I will just second it. And please don't read anything called "Pimp." All the best. 3
Assasda Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 I agree with the worst advice, I've heard in years. Never take advice from women, on dating realtionships
bryceisbryce Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 why not just go after women that are attracted to you? high value females want high value males. that's life. either become a high value male or date women on your level. 2
SpringBaby Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 I agree with the worst advice, I've heard in years. Never take advice from women, on dating realtionships But take advice from women when you want a relationship with one. 6
Author Camaro Guy Posted May 15, 2014 Author Posted May 15, 2014 But take advice from women when you want a relationship with one. I'd kind of agree. Women do give some well intentioned but terrible advice. To sum it up, when I want to catch fish, I ask a fisherman how to do so, not a fish. 1
SpringBaby Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 I'd kind of agree. Women do give some well intentioned but terrible advice. To sum it up, when I want to catch fish, I ask a fisherman how to do so, not a fish. Umm not sure about the fish analogy...let's stick with a higher, thinking species shall we? But I see where you were going. The key word I'm using is "relationship" guys may think they know how to "get" women or play the field, which may be true, the jury is still out on that. But not many can tell you how to get or keep a QUALITY woman better than a woman can. The guys that impressed me the most got advice from their mothers, female friends, and/or sisters. The ones that didn't, well...it showed. When I want guy advice I ask a guy because men know how men think. I think the reverse is true. You can't just ask any old girl though, if you have a QUALITY woman who you respect, I'll bet she will give you better advice than any man could. When you get into a relationship, you learn about your mate and what makes him or her specifically happy and all's good. 2
joystickd Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 But take advice from women when you want a relationship with one. Hell no! Women give ideal advice that only works in a perfect world. What they say they want and what they are attacted to are two totally different things and that is why you don't take advice from women. It's best to find a successful male.
SpringBaby Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Hell no! Women give ideal advice that only works in a perfect world. What they say they want and what they are attacted to are two totally different things and that is why you don't take advice from women. It's best to find a successful male. You must not know successful women then. My sister-in-law thanks us for helping make my brother the husband he is.
Author Camaro Guy Posted May 15, 2014 Author Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) Umm not sure about the fish analogy...let's stick with a higher, thinking species shall we? But I see where you were going. The key word I'm using is "relationship" guys may think they know how to "get" women or play the field, which may be true, the jury is still out on that. But not many can tell you how to get or keep a QUALITY woman better than a woman can. The guys that impressed me the most got advice from their mothers, female friends, and/or sisters. The ones that didn't, well...it showed. When I want guy advice I ask a guy because men know how men think. I think the reverse is true. You can't just ask any old girl though, if you have a QUALITY woman who you respect, I'll bet she will give you better advice than any man could. When you get into a relationship, you learn about your mate and what makes him or her specifically happy and all's good. The fish analogy is simplistic, but it sticks. I'm not going to ask someone who doesn't know how to do something how to do it. I'm going to ask the people who frequently do the action. I'm not going to ask a NASCAR driver how to play basketball. Everywhere I turn, I see all this talk about "quality". Quality women, quality men. What is "quality"? It's such an arbitrary term. It's as if it's an absolute. What is quality differs from one person to the next. You can ask a guy advice on how men think. They know how they think. Women often don't know how they think and why. I've had many admit to me that they do things and they don't know the reason why. Why do women do x,y,z? Prevailing answer: "Hm... You know, I really don't know!" You say that you helped your sister in law create her husband. Well, in my opinion, it seems that women only know how to create men who are pretty much subservient and service-oriented. When I want to know how to buy women things, I'll ask women. When I want to know how to be a man, I'll ask men. So no, I typically do not ask women for advice. Edited May 15, 2014 by Camaro Guy
carhill Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Why are women so hard to captivate Our job is not to wonder why, rather our job is to do or die. YMMV, but I can tell you when I come to the end of my days, I most assuredly won't be counting all the women I captivated as my life's success, even if I captivated plenty and, really, neither you nor I will ever know, for sure, what the heck that means anyway. Maybe there might be one there, at the end, that causes us to say 'hmm', but that's it, then the abyss. Perhaps focus on something else? 1
SpringBaby Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 The fish analogy is simplistic, but it sticks. I'm not going to ask someone who doesn't know how to do something how to do it. I'm going to ask the people who frequently do the action. I'm not going to ask a NASCAR driver how to play basketball. Everywhere I turn, I see all this talk about "quality". Quality women, quality men. What is "quality"? It's such an arbitrary term. It's as if it's an absolute. What is quality differs from one person to the next. You can ask a guy advice on how men think. They know how they think. Women often don't know how they think and why. I've had many admit to me that they do things and they don't know the reason why. Why do women do x,y,z? Prevailing answer: "Hm... You know, I really don't know!" You say that you helped your sister in law create her husband. Well, in my opinion, it seems that women only know how to create men who are pretty much subservient and service-oriented. When I want to know how to buy women things, I'll ask women. When I want to know how to be a man, I'll ask men. So no, I typically do not ask women for advice. Yes and we see how well that's working for you, I hope you get what you're looking for because it sounds to me like you don't get it and you don't know anyone who does. So good luck to you. Happy fishing! 1
FaithinIron Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 Im new to this forum, but i'll have to agree. Women give the worst dating advice.
soccerrprp Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 Im new to this forum, but i'll have to agree. Women give the worst dating advice. The women who have given me advice over the years have been mostly supportive and spot on. The only guy I've asked for advice is gay and his views on dating were consistent with the ladies'. Nah, I'd rather ask a woman for dating advice then a guy. 1
joystickd Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 You must not know successful women then. My sister-in-law thanks us for helping make my brother the husband he is. I'm not saying all women give bad advice, but the majority do. Would you if you were hunting ask the deer how to hunt it? In a sense that is what a man is doing when he asks a woman for advice. There are a small few very small that may give good advice. You are asking a woman to take the things for them that are emotional and logically explain them. Very few can actually do that.
LordVader Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 why not just go after women that are attracted to you? high value females want high value males. that's life. either become a high value male or date women on your level. Wow thats depressing, have u seen most of the girls on my current level of newb-ness? Some of them are fine people, but just not physically attractive, so I have no interest in dating them. I can't give up on either, guess I'll just have to keep getting better and meeting more girls.
tbf Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 Peter Dinklage, Vladimir Putin and Hugh Laurie are considered sex symbols. Now match these men up with what other men are telling you that girls want. If you can't see the disconnect between these three and what you're being told by other men, not sure if female advice can save you. 2
tbf Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 3 words: fame and powerThen what about Kim Jong-un, David Cameron and Woody Harrelson? Why aren't they considered sex symbols since they have fame or power?
tbf Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 I'm sure they are by many people, just not as widely popular. At any rate, fame and massive wealth/power does bring women, fact.They're not considered sex symbols. But that doesn't mean they aren't attractive to some which is no different than the average man. So your assumption of fame and power isn't as universal as Internet pop culture would have you believe. What happens is that men who don't have power and fame, point to power and fame being what women want. Men who are out of shape, point to fitness being an aphrodisiac. Men who are short, point to height being what women want. Men who aren't handsome, point to handsomeness being what women want. Men who aren't rich, point to money being what women want. Men who aren't well dressed, point to being well dressed as what women want. Men who wear glasses, point to men who don't wear glasses, as being what women want. Men who are bald point to men with hair as being what women want. Do you see a pattern? 3
tbf Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 Ok, so you're some perfect guy telling me this?I'm far from being a perfect guy. Gtfo, women who look halfway decent in America today are way too picky, almost anyone who's been on a date with one can tell you this. Women have all the power in today's society, and online dating can tell you this. You don't have to be fortune teller to see where this will go.Are we talking about dating or power games? If they're one and the same for you, this might explain some dating problems.
tbf Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 They might be, given that I have absolutely no power in today's dating market. I'm short, bald, not in my prime, and not in perfect physical condition. I also don't make $1 million a year and don't own a house. You might say that women who look decent will find nothing in me. But you would be wrong. At any rate, interesting discussion, mate.I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that you have no problems dating?
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