ktya Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Ok not everyone wants to play my game and I am no master of the art. I'm no PUA, no one-night stand guy, casually dating for the first time after a long long time (17 years of serious cohabiting relationships) but I keep getting mixed up in threads where dudes are wondering where their game went wrong so I figured I'd write a primer. I'll preface this that if some ladies bash the premise of the thread ignore them. What girls WANT and what they SAY THEY WANT are entirely different things. Like the woman who says she wants a suave debonair guy who will drink red wine walking down the beach in a tuxedo with her and then ends up with some ex-con bad boy ******* pounding the nails out of her after a trip to the dive bar in the back seat of a car, or worse, in a back alley. I get laid on the first or second date every time, and have no problem getting phone numbers from girls and escalating to the next level in almost all cases. So I figured I'd write this primer and if any dudes have further game pointers dont hesitate to add it to this thread. --- 1. Ask for the order Chicks dig a guy who knows what he wants and that is HER. You have to ask for the order. By that I mean just straight up ask for her number after a few messages. Text her for a bit ask if you can call her, then call her. Then SUGGEST a date, time and location to meet. Not some mealy mouthed "Um I kinda thought that maybe we could possibly...". No. More like "Hey lets go for drinks tomorrow at X bar my treat" (Your going to end up paying anyway. May as well use it as a sweetener) 2. Ditch the gimmicks I have seen friends with so many gimmicks I couldn't remember them. Dont bother. Be real, be yourself. Pretending to be someone you are not is not going to work over the long haul, and if you end up really in love with the girl you are going to paint yourself into a corner because you'll have to explain that you are not actually a lawyer from New York with a ten billion dollar condo and a fleet of luxury automobiles and a four hundred foot yacht - you'll end up breaking your own heart. Not all guys try to take the gimmick that far but you get my point. Be real. I straight up tell chicks that I am not looking for a girlfriend and want to keep it casual. I laugh when they start playing crap games saying they want monogamy out of me, I suggest that "we all have goals". If they try to wave the pussy in my face like it's something that 49% of the population of the planet doesn't have I chuckle and talk about the last hot girl I banged and show them a picture. You'd be surprised at how not taking their BS and not sitting there trying to impress them the whole first date takes them by surprise and grabs their attention. You are the guy to be caught and locked down, rather than the other way around. 3. Go for the kiss at the end of the first date A bunch of threads here over the years I have seen guys wonder why the girl doesnt get back to them, or gets cold after the first date that seemed to go so well. If a girl is into you, thinks your cute and nice, she will kiss you at the end of a date, unless you do it in some creepy weird way. If she wont kiss you at the end of the first date then she isnt really that into you in the first place. May as well go for it. I made this asshat error myself on a whack of first dates when I first tried OLD after being with a girl for 10 years. I'm not perfect nor am I immune to bonehead errors. Just be subtle. Go for the kiss, hugging her gently. If she turns or backs away save face and abort the mission. If she goes for the initial peck, put your hand on the back of her neck and peck more and more passionatley as she responds until you get into the tongue. Once she hesitates just back right off. She needs to know that your not being pushy. 4. First date sex is not impossible with any girl Its true. I dated a teacher who preached monogamy to the point I almost nexted her and she ended up in my bed despite telling me on my way to meet her that she would NEVER end up at my house that night. I dated several god fearing catholic girls who banged my brains out after the first date and then went to church afterwards and confessed - came back for more the next day - one on the way to the grocery store for afternoon fun. The way to pivot it to this point is that first kiss. If the kiss is hot, passionate, and blows their mind their hormones will be raging. If you know them well enough, target the week before their period. They will be so randy they wont be able to resist if you're a decent enough guy. Plan your date so that it is convenient to get her to your place. Difficult to do sometimes but if if they can "stop by" afterwards and are in your house it is much more condusive to making out than being on the street. Always try to plan ahead and have their favorite liquor kicking around (dont go overboard. If their favorite drink is something unique and exotic get something more generic. Just not beer). If they resist the makeout it is key to make sure that they know that you are not into one night stands. Girls do not want to be used as advanced masterbation devices for horny guys who do not respect them. If they figure you'll respect them in the morning, they are WAY more likely to give it up. But dont lie about this. Mean what you say and say what you mean. If you honestly wouldnt respect the girl the next morning then abort and go find another girl that you would. If you say your not wanting a ONS with them mean what you say. Girls respect truth and guys who are real. Guys who will take the initiative and just go for it. You'd be surprised how far you can get with a girl by just mustering the kahunas to take what you want - while still being sensitive enough to be aware if they resist before it becomes a problem. I banged this hot Korean girl who was porn star hot on the second date. She wanted to wait but couldn't. The next day she was telling me to get into her bedroom so she could give me a blowjob and telling me not to screw around and waste her time talking anymore. The BJ was enough to make Jenna Jameson blush and the sex was incredible. She was nuts and I dont talk to her anymore but this was a girl who came across as wanting to wait for more than one date for the kiss. I went for it anyway and the second was unforgettable. Not being cocky or a prick here just trying to help some brothers out. I'm sure there are people on the board who have better game than me and I encourage them to share their tips and pointers.
Cpt Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 "What girls WANT and what they SAY THEY WANT are entirely different things." This is pretty much the most important thing in your post. Everything else is pretty basic stuff and a lot of guys these days can pull this off with a little bit of encouragement from posts like these, but my question is... Now what? A lot of guys fail after 3rd date, or dating for 3 months or dating for 3 years. Getting women isn't that hard, but keeping them is the true challenge at hand. 4
Andy_K Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Most of this kind of stuff seems to just be about how to nail the hot party girl. What I found over the years is that the more effort and energy I put into 'getting' the girl, the less I was thinking about whether she's actually what I'm looking for and whether I'm genuinely into her or not. These days that is far more important to me. But maybe I'm just getting old 2
deathandtaxes Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Most of this kind of stuff seems to just be about how to nail the hot party girl. What I found over the years is that the more effort and energy I put into 'getting' the girl, the less I was thinking about whether she's actually what I'm looking for and whether I'm genuinely into her or not. These days that is far more important to me. But maybe I'm just getting old Not getting old. Just realizing that life is more than just banging chicks. That it's more about creating relationships with all kinds of people. I mean, who really needs to brag about getting laid on the first or second date every time?
jonsnuh Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Not getting old. Just realizing that life is more than just banging chicks. That it's more about creating relationships with all kinds of people. I mean, who really needs to brag about getting laid on the first or second date every time? I find it's that talk that gets old, not the person.
Keenly Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 This post made me zzzzzzz. It doesn't seem very organic to follow instructions. 2
RedRobin Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Love these threads. It is practically a primer for women on what to avoid and how to avoid it. Thanks! 1
Grumpybutfun Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 How about just treating women like they are human beings whom you want to spend time with and see where it leads? Game playing of any kind in the pursuit of anything is so unauthentic, you won't attract anything but the shallow and broken, but hey, what do I know? I just managed to have a healthy, discreet game free sex life when I was single and later made a life with the most beautiful and amazing women in the world who actually likes and respects me. I hope this is a troll post. If you want quality, become quality and if you want real, be real. Grumps 5
Phantom888 Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 I don't think all men would envy your escapades with trashy women. I mean, they are party girls who aren't really serious. How hard is it to get promiscuous women into one's bed? I did the whole dating game after my divorce. Banged some models and had some flings. I found that these shallow encounters were unsatisfying because after the sex, there was nothing more to share, except more sex. Having sex with the same person without emotional connection gets boring. My mind needs to be stimulated. If I repeated the process with another woman, then it would just be boring again. I guess for the short term, you can have as much fun as you want. But just know that most quality hot women do not really agree with OP's views. To each his own. IMHO. 1
Kamila Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 That's not dating. What about getting to know a woman and seeing if you have things in common in order to built on that ? Who knows what a wonderful relationship can flourish after that ? If you don't kiss on the first date, how is that an indicator for failure ? If you don't have sex after 3 dates, how is that an indicator that a woman isn't into you ? Patience... If you want to have sex experience, maybe those tricks could work sure. But if you want a longterm girlfriend, don't play games, just be true. 2
Omei Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 You say you get laid on first or second dates then do number 4 and say girls will never sleep with someone on first dates this whole post is jibberish and you cant even keep track of your own jibberish. This post seems to be all about getting laid this is not dating. And everything you said is EXSACTLY why as a women I do not kiss on the first date no matter how much liked. Just another guy in the horn dog pool his advice will lead you to no quality woman.
Grumpybutfun Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 LOL at this amateur. Sex after the first or second date? Puleeze. I get sex BEFORE the date even starts. Show up, BANG, then take her to Denny's. Really? How cheap...I have sex at Denny's while enjoying a Moon over My Hammie she bought for me...with a tall cold beer or an oj, depending on time of day or night because I'm a multitasking god. G
Jethro Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 LOL at this amateur. Sex after the first or second date? Puleeze. I get sex BEFORE the date even starts. Show up, BANG, then take her to Denny's. Denny's? What, no hot dog carts in your area?
Under The Radar Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 LOL at this amateur. Sex after the first or second date? Puleeze. I get sex BEFORE the date even starts. Show up, BANG, then take her to Denny's. I almost choked I was laughing so hard ...... gotta love Kung Fu Joe .
Strength in Healing Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 With all due respect, ktya, almost all your posts praise yourself. You talk about how waitresses talk about how good looking you are. And how you sleep with so many people. You gotta get out of here with that, dude. Even if it were all true, the fact you tout it relentlessly shows nothing but insecurity. But by all means, post your pic. Lol. Show us all how incredibly good looking you are. I posted mine!
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