Jlmic1 Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 I have a question about child support guidelines and I couldnt find an answer anywhere on the net. Im really hoping someone can give me some insight. Here is the deal- My husband has a child by an ex girlfriend. This ex, had a child from a previous marriage, she also has my husbands child, and is pregnant with her 3rd child by a 3rd man. She wants him to sign a paper called a " Voulentary Acknowledgement of Paternity" I beleive this is for child support. He has been paying her child support ( $500 a month ) but not through the court system. I think her plan is she thinks she can get more money out of him, Im not sure.. I understand that she can get 20% of his net income. My question is that since she has soon to be 3 kids by 3 different men, is she still allowed 20% of each mans income?? This seems a little unfair to me, considering women with children by one man get 20% and 5% for each child after that. Anyway he did not sign the Voulentary Acknowledgement of Paternity and the reason for this is the small print on the back AND everyone is pretty sure that his daughter is his, he did sign the birth certificate.. but her history is one full of promiscuity and signing that paper scares us both. We don't know what her plan is from here.. do they order a dna test? and if so.. who pays for it?? If anyone out there knows ANYTHING regarding these matters, it would help me out alot. Thank you all sooooo much!
tiki Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 Hi. My husband's ex-wife has three kids, from three different men. Kiddie #1: The first child he doesn't think she gets any child support from the daddy, or not a lot. Kiddie #2: This is my husband's child. He pays child support - and plenty of it, enough to pay her housenote for the month. For her and her whole godforsaken litter to live in. Kiddie #3: Father ran off when she told him she was pregnant. He doesn't pay CS or see the child. Has seen the child once, literally. (Oh but here's the kicker, we just found out that this child was given my husband's last name, which is her then married, now divorced name...instead of her maiden name or his daddy's name OMG) But here's the sh*t. She comes after my husband and treats him like scum of the earth. And he's the only one paying CS! But he does pay 21%. We are going back to court to have a lot re-evaluated, not to mention that her skank ass filed BANKRUPTCY and it's showing up on my husband's credit?????? How, I can't explain. I feel for you. I truly do. I live this life everyday. She changes jobs, can't parent worth a sh*t (leaves young kids at home alone), pays her bills late, constantly badgers my husband for nothing, sends her child over dirty. She's white trash. My husband has made so much of himself since her and she hates it. She hates that we take her daughter to church even. I am sorry for ranting. But I soooo feel your pain. I'm sorry I can't help you with much else. All I can do is wish you luck.
Barby Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 I'm not sure about this but I would think if he signs the paper the " Voluntary Acknowledgement of Paternity" (i'm not sure if you mean she wants him to sign it for the one he believes to be "his" child or the last child born). Anyway they wouldn't order a dna test because it is a " Voluntary Acknowledgement of Paternity" MEANING he is admitting this is his child and willing to be the father regardless.....SO my advice................. Please have your husband get a DNA test (in most cases it's like 200 dollars) he can pay and then you can have your peace of mind.....if she is trying to get him to sign the paper, chances are she may be unsure and this is her "insurance" policy "just in case" he isn't the real father....GET A DNA test!
Jlmic1 Posted February 5, 2005 Posted February 5, 2005 OOOOH tiki... Your H is paying 21%?!!? I thought the max was 20%. I know what you mean about his ex treating him like s*** and letting the other dads live a happy stress free life. My Husbands ex picks on him all the time, calls all the time and is overly obsessed with his life in general. Before we were married, when we first started dating, she stalked me and him both... she is crazy. Now that we are married and happy, she's out to make him pay. She called him telling him that they raised child support to 25% and laughed about how she was going to milk him dry and use the money for her own needs. OMG her plan to make our lives a living hell is really starting to work. She doesnt even talk to her ex husband ( father of her 1st child ) She goes through his mother to discuss that child and drop her off and pick her up. Hes got it real easy. Anyway- since my H refused to sign that Voulentary Acknowledgement of Paternity paper, she told him that she was going to tell his daughter that she's not his and that he has denied her... which isnt true. Basically, it was my suggestion that he not sign anything at her request with out a lawyer looking it over first and he agreed. Its not that hes denying his daughter.. its just that with a woman like that you just never know. My H and I get his daughter every other weekend and holiday etc... but shes threatned to tell the little girl ( who is only 4) that her father has denied being her dad. We havent heard anything back yet as to what is going to happen next but she's a real b!tch and has said ignorant things like that to this child before. I truly don't think that women who make babies with as many men as possible to collect more CS deserve 20% of each mans income... Its like rewarding them for being promiscious!
Elmo Posted February 5, 2005 Posted February 5, 2005 #1 Don't sign anything. #2 Tell her you will sign it, have her send it to you....Then see what governmental agency it's issued by. Then call them and ask what the ramifications are. #3 Still, don't sign it. If you've already seen it and it is not issued by a local gov't office...it is probably from some attny. and it will do you, nor the child any good to sign it. Not to be an arse...but is paternity in any way questioned? If you have 1% doubt, get the test.
Jlmic1 Posted February 6, 2005 Posted February 6, 2005 We've already seen the paper. It was issued by a Public Aid office. I think it's a standard form for never married couples who have a child, but IT IS a paper waiving a DNA test and admitting the child is his. I guess you could say there is about 1% doubt.. Anyway, he didnt sign it. To be honest, she has mentioned paternity a couple of times and then presented this paper.. which is really putting paternity in question. My H and I both believe that his daughter is his.. MOST LIKELY. He was kind of niave when he was with her, it has taken a bit for him to open his eyes and see that she has a scam going on here... She gets prenant about every 4 years by a new man and then leaves him and gets support. By the time this 3rd baby is born, she will be living off of 60% of every mans income.. IT MAKES ME SICK. We don't know what her next move is as far as that paper goes, or even the real reason she wanted him to sign it. Like I stated before, she gets $500 a month from my H but its not court ordered... he pays her bi-weekly when he picks his daughter up. Her child support from her ex-husband is court ordered. She had mentioned a long time ago that children from never married parents- the father HAS to have a dna test before paying court ordered child support. Six months later... here comes this form waiving the tests. UGH
Jlmic1 Posted February 6, 2005 Posted February 6, 2005 By the way... I don't know if this is relevant or if anyone cares....LOL But his ex did cheat on him - but that was after his daughter was born... so he doesnt know if she cheated before that for sure or not. But definetley after the daughter was born.. she cheated on him for some time, then took her 2 kids and moved in with the guy she was cheating with.
Barby Posted February 6, 2005 Posted February 6, 2005 She had mentioned a long time ago that children from never married parents- the father HAS to have a dna test before paying court ordered child support. Six months later... here comes this form waiving the tests. UGH That should scream volumes...that is so sad that a woman would play with a man's emotions like that! I hope for his sake and the child's sake that your husband does in fact get a DNA test. You could probably search on the net and find some local places that do tests and call around about price...better than wondering forever..(at least I think it would be).
Lil Honey Posted February 7, 2005 Posted February 7, 2005 Originally posted by Jlmic1 But his ex did cheat on him ... so he doesnt know if she cheated before that for sure or not. But definetley after the daughter was born I say that he should NOT sign the paper AND he should definately get a paternity test. She could easily have cheated on him, been PG by another man, and TOLD your husband that the child is his . . . I would also call the agency that supposedly issued the form. All a person needs is a computer and a piece of paper can end up LOOKING official . . .
roxy_1980 Posted February 27, 2005 Posted February 27, 2005 I'm not sure how it happens in the states, but up here in canada, women can't double (or in this case triple dip) into men's income just because they're a slut. You can bring it up in the court hearing that she's already recieving support from one man and possibly will soon be receiving from another. Her costs will be distributed throughout the three men. And get the paternity test. He's not denying his daughter, he's just not trusting the b!tch that is her mother. Roxy
Jlmic1 Posted February 28, 2005 Posted February 28, 2005 Well, we went to a lawyer and talked to him about this situation. Apparentley, a woman who has multiple children by multiple men are rewarded by being able to get 20% of each mans income I thought it would be like roxy said and the courts would divide the cs up between the three men but that is not the case. It is so hard to believe that if a woman who was married, has 3 kids gets 30% of her ex-husbands income. But a woman who has 3 kids by 3 men, gets 60%. I don't think that promiscuity should be rewarded in the court system. Here is a little update though: My H refused to sign the paper about a month or so ago, and nothing has been mentioned about it since. Kinda makes me wonder...
Jlmic1 Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 I have an update on my post about the Voulentary Acknowledgement of Paternity: It has been months since my H refused to sign the paper- and I just wanted to update that the Ex-girlfriend HAS NEVER MENTIONED IT SINCE. My H just contines to write her checks every week and see his daughter every other weekend without even one comment on the form from the ex. In a way I'm wondering weather we should be nervous as to what her plan is now- and on the other hand I'm wondering weather or not she is unsure of the childs paternity. I mean, you'd think if she was 100% sure and thought she could get more cs, she would follow through with the Voulentary Acknowledgement of Paternity....right? Oh well, just wanted to throw this out there and see what you all think. Thankssssssss
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