TheFinalWord Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Yes, I prefer KJV when it comes to accuracy. When it comes to a perfect balance between accuracy and readability, my choice is ESV (English Standard Version). Second choice is NIV. Sometimes when I'm looking at a critical issue and I need to have razor precise translation, I look at Young's Literal Translation. But it's hilarious how awkward it sounds. All the tenses get mixed up and it's hardly readable. It's great, though, if you want to see what specific words are used in cases where other translations fudge it. Yeah, I really like ESV. You nailed it on the head! Good point about Young's! 1
pie2 Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Good job! IMHO, I think KJV actually contextualizes it a bit better... and he that sows discord among brethren Seems more specific in this context. Whereas stirring up conflict can be a good thing if injustice is going on. Discord comes across to me as someone that intentionally goes around trying to get people, that would otherwise get along well together, to fight with each other. Oh, great point TFW. I love dissecting passages, and getting to the nitty-gritty of what they mean. The answer to mine was (4): how a man loves a woman. M30 mentioned he likes the NIV better, which says: the way of a man with a young woman. They do seem to convey pretty different things. The love of a man for a woman seems clear, but "the way of a man with a young woman"...that could mean many different things. Either way, I do think that when a man loves a woman, it is a very powerful, mysterious force. I don't know if men or women are capable of loving more, but when a man really loves a woman, it seems so special. 1
TheFinalWord Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Either way, I do think that when a man loves a woman, it is a very powerful, mysterious force. I don't know if men or women are capable of loving more, but when a man really loves a woman, it seems so special. Excellent point. Deep stuff!
Author M30USA Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 Lol, I'm pretty sure they've proven in lab settings that men have lower logical/rational functioning in the presence of a pretty woman. Maybe that's what the verse means.
pie2 Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Lol, I'm pretty sure they've proven in lab settings that men have lower logical/rational functioning in the presence of a pretty woman. Maybe that's what the verse means. Yes, those men can act a little foolishly, which is pretty hard to understand sometimes! So maybe you're right. I still like the "love" one better.
Author M30USA Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 I thought the NIV used the word "maiden" instead of "young woman". I guess I was thinking of another translation.
pie2 Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 I thought the NIV used the word "maiden" instead of "young woman". I guess I was thinking of another translation. I looked up KJV, and it said "the way of a man with a maid", and all I could think of was Schwarzenegger, lol! 1
Author M30USA Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the __________ has passed away.” (Revelation 21:3, 4 NIV) A) curse B) old order of things C) power of death D) power of sin E) earth and everything in it
pie2 Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the __________ has passed away.” (Revelation 21:3, 4 NIV) A) curse B) old order of things C) power of death D) power of sin E) earth and everything in it (A)??? I like all of the above!
Author M30USA Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 (A)??? I like all of the above! That was my trick answer! It SHOULD be that! Most people forget that we are still under the curse from Eden. This is crucial to understand or you wind up getting into errors of the Prosperity Gospel, etc. Bad things still happen to good people. Death is still a reality...and will be until Christ comes back and makes "all things new" and throws death, itself, in the lake of fire. I would say at least 75% of all problematic teaching in the church today could be corrected by understanding this simple fact that the curse is not gone yet. 1
pureinheart Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 What's the answer? I've been waiting, lol! You should do another one! One that I can understand, because Robert Z's is way over my head. I'll do one... From Proverbs 30 (don't look!) "There are three things that amaze me -- no, four things that I don't understand: how an eagle glides through the sky, how a snake slithers on a rock, how a ship navigates the ocean, and.... how a fool may prosper.how wine soothes a man's troubles.how the locust march in formation.how a man loves a woman.how the prideful devour the poor. Haven't looked further in the thread- so based on the context, would say #3…now to see the real answer:D 1
pureinheart Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the __________ has passed away.” (Revelation 21:3, 4 NIV) A) curse B) old order of things C) power of death D) power of sin E) earth and everything in it C? (10 characters)
pureinheart Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) That was my trick answer! It SHOULD be that! Most people forget that we are still under the curse from Eden. This is crucial to understand or you wind up getting into errors of the Prosperity Gospel, etc. Bad things still happen to good people. Death is still a reality...and will be until Christ comes back and makes "all things new" and throws death, itself, in the lake of fire. I would say at least 75% of all problematic teaching in the church today could be corrected by understanding this simple fact that the curse is not gone yet. Well got that one wrong too…lol… to me curse and death are one in the same in certain contexts. The earth is still cursed, it's difficult for me to understand how this fact gets confused. Some teach that Jesus's death and resurrection broke the curse- not true, He was the perfect sacrifice satisfying the payment for "sin". The curse brought forth through Adam and Eve (not blaming them BTW) won't be satisfied until the Second Coming. The knowledge of good and evil and the curse put on the earth are two different things- Oppps maybe the answer isn't wrong? Edited February 8, 2014 by pureinheart
Author M30USA Posted February 9, 2014 Author Posted February 9, 2014 Well got that one wrong too…lol… to me curse and death are one in the same in certain contexts. The earth is still cursed, it's difficult for me to understand how this fact gets confused. Some teach that Jesus's death and resurrection broke the curse- not true, He was the perfect sacrifice satisfying the payment for "sin". The curse brought forth through Adam and Eve (not blaming them BTW) won't be satisfied until the Second Coming. The knowledge of good and evil and the curse put on the earth are two different things- Oppps maybe the answer isn't wrong? I have a theory that the curse is somehow related to the scientific law of entropy, which states that all processes in the universe tend to shift from a state of order to disorder (or why a kid's blocks go from organized to disorganized). It can possibly account for death, but this can be argued. Anyway, at the current time, Jesus has redeemed the spirit, but the FLESH (physical world) is still unreemed. When Christ returns, he will renew even the flesh/physical. Right now, though, we are in a paradox. We are born again creatures but still stuck in a physically unredeemed world. This is what the curse is. Death, disorder, sin, etc. Our minds can't even comprehend a world without these things. It's pointless to even try because its contrary to everything we know.
pureinheart Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 I have a theory that the curse is somehow related to the scientific law of entropy, which states that all processes in the universe tend to shift from a state of order to disorder (or why a kid's blocks go from organized to disorganized). It can possibly account for death, but this can be argued. Anyway, at the current time, Jesus has redeemed the spirit, but the FLESH (physical world) is still unreemed. When Christ returns, he will renew even the flesh/physical. Right now, though, we are in a paradox. We are born again creatures but still stuck in a physically unredeemed world. This is what the curse is. Death, disorder, sin, etc. Our minds can't even comprehend a world without these things. It's pointless to even try because its contrary to everything we know. This is awesome! It makes perfect sense to me. It further explains the struggle most Christians face (some don't care and do what they want). Paul illustrates this with …I do what I don't want to do, and don't do what I want (meaning Spiritually). The battle of the Spirit and flesh. I've heard some constantly blaming Satan, and automatically I do this also, but we forget the flesh. I tell you M30, the Lord has given you insight that brings light (light bulb experiences). You know it's the truth when you hear it. Thank you for the last paragraph. Lately I've been really unsettled by the fact that I can't comprehend life without pain, that I can't understand heaven. Why am I not the joyful Christian knowing what lies ahead, meaning heaven. In fact even doubting. You have no idea how I've been beating myself up over this...
pie2 Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 Haven't looked further in the thread- so based on the context, would say #3…now to see the real answer:D That's exactly what TFW said! How funny . I think it probably sounded good, because I got that answer straight from the same chapter in Proverbs, lol. 1
Author M30USA Posted February 9, 2014 Author Posted February 9, 2014 I had that exact verse in mind by Paul that you mentioned when I wrote my last post.
pureinheart Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 That's exactly what TFW said! How funny . I think it probably sounded good, because I got that answer straight from the same chapter in Proverbs, lol. LOL, did I get it right?
pureinheart Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 I had that exact verse in mind by Paul that you mentioned when I wrote my last post. I'd say this is confirmation! Thank you. I understand Paul's struggle and that verse has always given comfort knowing I'm not the only completely frustrated person. I love it when God does this! 1
Author M30USA Posted February 9, 2014 Author Posted February 9, 2014 Wait, what trivia are we talking about? Is everyone waiting on an answer from me or something?
pureinheart Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 Lol, I'm pretty sure they've proven in lab settings that men have lower logical/rational functioning in the presence of a pretty woman. Maybe that's what the verse means. This is toooo funny! Wait, what trivia are we talking about? Is everyone waiting on an answer from me or something? Given I missed an entire page (page 2 of this thread), I don't see how I would be qualified to answer:D BUT, will anyway- I thought you were waiting for more responses to your last question. Hey, it's early in the morning in case this doesn't make any sense at all.
pureinheart Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 I have a theory that the curse is somehow related to the scientific law of entropy, which states that all processes in the universe tend to shift from a state of order to disorder (or why a kid's blocks go from organized to disorganized). It can possibly account for death, but this can be argued. Anyway, at the current time, Jesus has redeemed the spirit, but the FLESH (physical world) is still unreemed. When Christ returns, he will renew even the flesh/physical. Right now, though, we are in a paradox. We are born again creatures but still stuck in a physically unredeemed world. This is what the curse is. Death, disorder, sin, etc. Our minds can't even comprehend a world without these things. It's pointless to even try because its contrary to everything we know. Hoping this is communicated the same as current thought process- here goes. Birth pangs came to mind also- increasing intensity. I have been in deep thought lately, wondering if where we are at today is different concerning intensity. Knowing that sin today is the same old tired lie from the past- but is there a marked difference as to how our minds and physical bodies react to it? Order/disorder has been on my mind a lot. Seeing the shifts in history both large and small, in my own life and others. People become spoiled and complacent with order and seem to need disorder todesire order. At some point the two collide? God usually if not always has a pattern.
TheFinalWord Posted February 12, 2014 Posted February 12, 2014 Lol, I'm pretty sure they've proven in lab settings that men have lower logical/rational functioning in the presence of a pretty woman. Maybe that's what the verse means. How else can you explain Jacob working 14 years for Rachel She must have been quite the site! haha 2
Author M30USA Posted February 19, 2014 Author Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Okay, here's another. This one's dedicated to TheFinalWord. In the Biblical geneology from Adam to Jesus Christ, how many generations* are there? A) 42 B) 77 C) 120 D) 144 E) 319 *That is, identified generations. Edited February 19, 2014 by M30USA 1
pureinheart Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Okay, here's another. This one's dedicated to TheFinalWord. In the Biblical geneology from Adam to Jesus Christ, how many generations* are there? A) 42 B) 77 C) 120 D) 144 E) 319 *That is, identified generations. M30, I don't have the slightest clue, and not even going to guess, but will say it's a number that has significant Biblical meaning. 1
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