kiss_andmakeup Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Did you ignore my post about what happened to me at 19? Or should I tell you about my brother falling in love at 22, and having a girl burn him for 6k when he was making less than 30k at the time? He learned a lot from that experience, and I learned a lot from seeing what happened to him. I cant believe how ignorant and naïve you are. You really have NO idea what a lot of men deal with, nor how a lot of women behave. To see your brother get used and cry over some classless loser female hurts. Yet...to you, of course that couldn't happen to some poor bloke who makes a meager, yet honest wage. Yeah, it only happens to rich men Meanwhile I see guys with barely any money, get used by women with less (and sometimes more) money than them. These women have given up the sex in order to get taken out and receive gifts. Doesn't matter if the guy earns 50k or 500k, it happens to men of all social classes. You women are fvking ridiculous I swear. TRY DATING WOMEN AND THEN TALK TO US GUYS ABOUT WHAT WEVE SEEN AND DEAL WITH. Plenty of women from all financial backgrounds, will try and size a guy up, and use his money, despite his background. It happens across all social strata. Stop trying to dismiss reality. PS - Don't speak for other women. Ive read, seen and experienced enough to know that women sleep with men for a variety of reasons. And plenty give up their youth for stupid reasons too. There will always be financially irresponsible people (especially at the young ages you listed) who burn those they care about for cash. It happens among family, friends, and lovers at an alarming frequency. My uncle burned my mother and aunt for tens of thousands. A co-worker of mine divorced her ex-husband for being cheating scum, and he managed to completely financially hose her in the divorce, and afterward, continued to open fraudulent credit cards and take out faulty loans in her name. As you can guess, he never made payments on them, either. They've been divorced for ten years and his financial bullsh*t follows her to this very day. Her credit is ruined and her savings are nonexistent. Should she have noticed his tendencies earlier on? Perhaps. Should your brother have picked up on some cues that his girlfriend was financially irresponsible before loaning her $6K? Maybe. But in both situations, good people got taken advantage of by someone who professed to care about them. What you are referring to is flat-out fraud...not repaying a loan, stealing, lying with the intent to steal. And this certainly happens to both genders. With your post you've already demonstrated that no "testing" is necessary. In your scenario, you told the chick, "sorry, I don't have any cash." Then you found out she was lying. $20 "crisis" averted. There are sh*tty people out there. Of both genders. And while I agree that the large-scale gold-digging does take place far more often in a very rich man/non-wealthy woman scenario than vice versa, the smaller petty stuff you're referring to happens to both genders, in all natures of relationships, every single day. 2
Author kaylan Posted January 28, 2014 Author Posted January 28, 2014 Ohhh, 6K! What biiiiggggg cash! I bet all the golddiggers were just crawling out of the woodwork for a shot at that fat stack!Are you fvking srs? Get out of my thread you useless troll. 6k is a lot for a 22 year old kid barely making 30k a year at the time. Being use for money hurts. Just because its not a lot of money to you, doesn't mean its not a lot for someone else whos just starting out in life. Seriously, gtfo. How dare you minimize what my brother went through. Please. A real gold digger wouldnt spit on you for 6K. This is where you ignorance shines. What constitutes "gold" is different for everyone. 6k is a lot for certain people, and chump change for others. Im glad you can get burned for 6k and not think its a big deal. A kid getting burned for 20% of his salary is a big ****ing deal. Just because someone failed to repay a loan, doesn't mean they sucked a penis specifically for the money. Again, if she was dating a man who only made 30K at the time, she had REAL feelings for him. Unfortunately, she just didn't have the character or work ethic to pay him back. Neither does my brother, who, by the way, has burned me for significantly for more than 6K. Just because he sucks with money doesn't mean he doesn't love me though. As for your other example, even a low class hooker will sell her kitty for more than $20. The fact that you got all worked up about that minor bit of cash says more about you than her. Ive dropped more than that in the cups of homeless men.She HAD NO FEELINGS FOR MY BRO. She basically slept with him so he would stay trapped in his feelings for her and spending money on her. She even made fun of him and laughed at him when he called her after things ended ...and had another guy laughing on the phone at him too. gtfo. he didn't loan her a damn thing. She didn't have her own cash, and basically dated and slept with him in order to get thing. Let me repeat...this happens with women OF ALL SOCIAL STRATA. This doesn't just happen to rich men. For every man of a certain financial background, ive seen a woman of lesser financial means try to size him up. Gold digging does NOT just happen to the rich.
Author kaylan Posted January 28, 2014 Author Posted January 28, 2014 There will always be financially irresponsible people (especially at the young ages you listed) who burn those they care about for cash. It happens among family, friends, and lovers at an alarming frequency. My uncle burned my mother and aunt for tens of thousands. A co-worker of mine divorced her ex-husband for being cheating scum, and he managed to completely financially hose her in the divorce, and afterward, continued to open fraudulent credit cards and take out faulty loans in her name. As you can guess, he never made payments on them, either. They've been divorced for ten years and his financial bullsh*t follows her to this very day. Her credit is ruined and her savings are nonexistent. Should she have noticed his tendencies earlier on? Perhaps. Should your brother have picked up on some cues that his girlfriend was financially irresponsible before loaning her $6K? Maybe. But in both situations, good people got taken advantage of by someone who professed to care about them. What you are referring to is flat-out fraud...not repaying a loan, stealing, lying with the intent to steal. And this certainly happens to both genders. With your post you've already demonstrated that no "testing" is necessary. In your scenario, you told the chick, "sorry, I don't have any cash." Then you found out she was lying. $20 "crisis" averted. There are sh*tty people out there. Of both genders. And while I agree that the large-scale gold-digging does take place far more often in a very rich man/non-wealthy woman scenario than vice versa, the smaller petty stuff you're referring to happens to both genders, in all natures of relationships, every single day. Sorry, but I barely, if ever, hear of men of meager means sleeping with women in order to get financial favors. This is what I mean. Anytime a thread comes up where men try to discuss their experiences, women try and act like men do the same exact things all the time. When in reality, it doesn't happen at near the same scale. And $20 "crisis"? Wtf is that supposed to mean? I hope you aren't trying to minimize what 20 dollars might mean to a 19 yr old kid who was living paycheck to paycheck before college at the time.
Janesays Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I'm sorry Kaylan, I didn't realize that you had purchased this board and had the ability to tell people where they could and could not post or what they were 'allowed' to say. Maybe change the title under your named to 'admin' and update the forum rules to reflect your posting preference to avoid mistakes like this in the future. Better you do that than act like a hyperactive temperamental child.
Author kaylan Posted January 28, 2014 Author Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) I'm sorry Kaylan, I didn't realize that you had purchased this board and had the ability to tell people where they could and could not post or what they were 'allowed' to say. Maybe change the title under your named to 'admin' and update the forum rules to reflect your posting preference to avoid mistakes like this in the future. Better you do that than act like a hyperactive temperamental child. So Im not supposed to be upset that you are minimizing a very real and tough time in the life of my brother? Im not supposed to be upset that yet again, a woman tries to dismiss real life experiences of men. Because like you said, only rich men experience gold diggers and women who use them for their money.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Ill refrain from being upset when you refrain from making ignorant and misinformed posts. Thanks. The only mistake made is you assuming you know what the dating lives of men are like. Your ignorance is on display for all since you seem to think only rich men deal with women who are out for money. 6k means nothing to you, but it sure means a lot to many young people who don't have much money yet. Edited January 28, 2014 by kaylan
kiss_andmakeup Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Sorry, but I barely here of men of meager means sleeping with women in order to get financial favors. Really? I hear about it all the time. Usually they are women with damaged self-esteem who are emotionally vulnerable due to these factors. They just want a companion, and overlook the fact that he's asked her to pay his cell phone bill for the third month in a row, or asked for an "investment" in his start-up which actually ended up going toward a new PlayStation. Or moved in with her under the pretense of splitting the bills, but has yet to come up with the money to do so (this one happens quite frequently). These are all things that have actually happened amongst my acquaintances. And they're certainly not blameless - they should just cut these guys off. But they're too emotionally attached to do so. And $20 "crisis"? Wtf is that supposed to mean? I hope you aren't trying to minimize what 20 dollars might mean to a 19 yr old kid who was living paycheck to paycheck before college at the time. Sometimes I think you are a tad too sensitive to be on the internet. No. I was trying to say that even if you would have lost the $20, life would have gone on. But that you were perceptive enough to refuse her the money, and thus came out $20 ahead. I don't really know how else you want me to phrase it. I wasn't saying it made her a better person. 2
Janesays Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 If you can't handle opinions that are different from yours without going on a rampage riddled with swear words and other low class dialogue, maybe posting on a public internet forum is not for you? Just a thought. 2
Author kaylan Posted January 28, 2014 Author Posted January 28, 2014 Its always strange to me how some female posters try and speak for how women behave in dating, when they themselves haven't ever dated women. If you haven't dated women, your experiences are not enough to dismiss the firsthand accounts of men who regularly deal with this stuff. Let me say it again though. Stop trying to equate the dating experiences of men and women in a thread that's not about what women deal with in dating. As I said, it doesn't even happen on the same scale.
Antenna_Of_Destiny Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 In many parts of the world that cheap fast food is unaffordable and would be seen as extra fine cuisine. Have some more modesty and be thankful for being in the circumstances you are, go USA.
Author kaylan Posted January 28, 2014 Author Posted January 28, 2014 If you can't handle opinions that are different from yours without going on a rampage riddled with swear words and other low class dialogue, maybe posting on a public internet forum is not for you? Just a thought. Youll meet different responses when you learn to not offend others with your ignorance and lack of knowledge regarding certain situations. Public forums are better suited for the well informed, unless if you don't mind publicly looking foolish. In many parts of the world that cheap fast food is unaffordable and would be seen as extra fine cuisine. Have some more modesty and be thankful for being in the circumstances you are, go USA. This. This is a big part of my point when it comes to certain women acting like a guy being used for a certain amount not being a big deal. Get off your high horse and realize not everyone has always had it good financially. And that maybe they value money differently.
kiss_andmakeup Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 If you can't handle opinions that are different from yours without going on a rampage riddled with swear words and other low class dialogue, maybe posting on a public internet forum is not for you? Just a thought. I always hesitate to comment on his threads for this reason. There are posters that I disagree with, sure, but none of them display quite the level of condescending, inflammatory self-righteousness as Kaylan. I honestly just think he takes everything too personally, and certainly too seriously considering that the venue is a public internet forum. That said, I'll bow out of this one as I've said my piece. 3
MissBee Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I never felt the need to run a test. It was usually pretty obvious. I wouldn't have taken her to fast food, because I happen to like good food. The idea of "testing" people is completely juvenile and ridiculous to me. People show themselves with time so why be manipulative yourself or concoct "tests." Even if I passed the test I would be insulted that you thought you needed to "test" me. If someone is a gold digger taking them for fast food doens't really matter as they still know you have money and will most likely assume that some day you will spend it on them, so it's a faulty test in the first place. If you're a gold digger, you're gonna stick around for more than one date so you have ample chance to mine for gold. However, if you're a decent woman really interested you will come away thinking this man is cheap and stingy and will not want to be bothered seeing him again. 2
Author kaylan Posted January 28, 2014 Author Posted January 28, 2014 I always hesitate to comment on his threads for this reason. There are posters that I disagree with, sure, but none of them display quite the level of condescending, inflammatory self-righteousness as Kaylan. I honestly just think he takes everything too personally, and certainly too seriously considering that the venue is a public internet forum. That said, I'll bow out of this one as I've said my piece. Is it not condescending to put down my brothers past salary and minimize the emotional and financial trouble he went through? Did you just ignore the things that woman said? I don't normally go off on people unless they hit a button. She most certainly did with her behavior. Anyone can clear as day see why a person would get PO'd at her comments.
Janesays Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I always hesitate to comment on his threads for this reason. There are posters that I disagree with, sure, but none of them display quite the level of condescending, inflammatory self-righteousness as Kaylan. I honestly just think he takes everything too personally, and certainly too seriously considering that the venue is a public internet forum. That said, I'll bow out of this one as I've said my piece. You've got the right idea, so I'm bowing out too. It's obvious that Kaylan posts more for validation than to listen to differing viewpoints and expand his way of thinking. Yet WE'RE the 'useless stupid f ing trolls.' I've got better things to do with my time than deal with this nonsense. Thanks for reminding me of that fact and leading by example. 1
Author kaylan Posted January 28, 2014 Author Posted January 28, 2014 You've got the right idea, so I'm bowing out too. It's obvious that Kaylan posts more for validation than to listen to differing viewpoints and expand his way of thinking. Yet WE'RE the 'useless stupid f ing trolls.' I've got better things to do with my time than deal with this nonsense. Thanks for reminding me of that fact and leading by example. lol...and everyone can see how you refuse to acknowledge your disrespect to my brothers situation or to the situation that many other men deal with. lmao...plz bow out...we all know why you really are.
Mascara Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 See what I mean? It's SUCH a massive issue for you, the whole money/who pays/she better not be after me for a free burger. Every time you post on the subject, it's like you rear up. I've heard that $20 cab fare story a few times. I don't really mind that you always come across as somewhat naive (and you do), because naïveté is an absolute privilege of the young, and I think you should be. I *do* mind that you try to bullishly dictate as to what others post. Looks most definitely equals money in terms of what each gender often likes as a symbol of the kind of mate they can attract. It's an entirely valid argument, and regardless of any childish "end of story" comments it deserves comparison. 2
Mascara Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 You've got the right idea, so I'm bowing out too. It's obvious that Kaylan posts more for validation than to listen to differing viewpoints and expand his way of thinking. Yet WE'RE the 'useless stupid f ing trolls.' I've got better things to do with my time than deal with this nonsense. Thanks for reminding me of that fact and leading by example. I agree too. Over and out. 1
Author kaylan Posted January 28, 2014 Author Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) I agree too. Over and out. Good riddance. Maybe this thread can be about the main topic and not another hijack where women dismiss mens claims because "men do it too". We don't need another thread like that. And again looks=/=money because women will date for looks and also for money at times. Men don't value a womans money the same way, and generally will value looks. This whole silly comparison is almost as dumb as when people try to equate weight to height, or breast size to penis size. Lol people are funny. Edited January 28, 2014 by kaylan
samsungxoxo Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Even if I passed the test I would be insulted that you thought you needed to "test" me. This. If a man I was going out on a date with felt the need to test me to see if I pass his test then it would really be him the one failing the test. I don't see what's the point of it. Seriously..... I would understand better if the man was overly cheap with everyone even his family (there are people of both genders like that by nature) than one that's only testing me. Though both are deal-breakers at least the first type is being true to himself with no games at all and that's really him in his nature than the second time that's a phony with silly, childish ''tests''. Edited January 28, 2014 by samsungxoxo 1
Woggle Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Women test men all the time about many things so what is so wrong with men doing that? Are we not allowed to do anything to prevent being taken for a sucker? Gold digging is similiar to crime. In the criminal world you have stick up kids who rob the corner store and then you have people who pull off sophisticated heists. Gold digging is the same. You have the low level ones who use the coworker who crushes on her for rides and then you the ones who target rich and famous people. I am doing well for myself now and I noticed when I started getting money women who used to reject all of a sudden had interest. Why shouldn't men weed these types out? 1
samsungxoxo Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Women test men all the time about many things so what is so wrong with men doing that? Are we not allowed to do anything to prevent being taken for a sucker?I thought testing people was already left out for either kids in HS or if you're in your first year of college. Waste of time to me. 1
Woggle Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I thought testing people was already left out for either kids in HS or if you're in your first year of college. Waste of time to me. I agree to a point and to me it is not a test. I am a low budget kind of guy even if I have money. I would rather go to a local greasy spoon than a fancy place any day of the week. Me taking a woman there is my way of letting her know what kind of guy I am and what kind of relationship I like to have and if she is not on board with that she can move on. No way somebody I barely know is getting some fancy dining experience on my dime.
pickflicker Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 OP, it sounds like you need to develop a bit of a thicker skin. You take it all WAY too personally. And lose the bitterness. The only person you have to blame for that, is yourself, not the opposite sex. 1
Author kaylan Posted January 28, 2014 Author Posted January 28, 2014 OP, it sounds like you need to develop a bit of a thicker skin. You take it all WAY too personally. And lose the bitterness. The only person you have to blame for that, is yourself, not the opposite sex. Oh yeah, how dare I take it personal that someone makes light of a very tough time in my brothers life. How dare I defend someone I love and care about. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
pickflicker Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Oh yeah, how dare I take it personal that someone makes light of a very tough time in my brothers life. How dare I defend someone I love and care about. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: I'm not talking about that. I'm taking about YOU. I imagine you to be that guy who goes out on a date and immediately starts on about all their terrible dating experiences. At some point, you have to ask yourself, if it's so hard, what can YOU do to fix the situation? Instead of blaming everyone else?
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