Devildog Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Isn't it funny how defensive women on this board get about this particular subject Alpha? You just see the claws come out and the denials, and dragging out studies, and pointing at the studies again, and restating the studies, and studying the studies.
alphamale Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Originally posted by Devildog Isn't it funny how defensive women on this board get about this particular subject Alpha? You just see the claws come out and the denials, and dragging out studies, and pointing at the studies again, and restating the studies, and studying the studies. Yes DD, when you hit a nerve with the females they just lose their minds and start spewing their thoughts which are mostly non-linear and idealistic emotions based upon illogical reasoning. Women are funny, but I luv 'em just the same.
Mustard Bomb Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 I'm more convinced by studies done in ethical and regulated environments than by anecdotal hasty generalizations, as well. But I'm betting the women here are okay with being accused of being logical, straightforward, and equipped with evidence, instead of emotional, personal, and reactionary.
Devildog Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Originally posted by Mustard Bomb I'm more convinced by studies done in ethical and regulated environments than by anecdotal hasty generalizations, as well. Okay, so a few years ago when Firestone tires were exploding and killing people driving Ford Explorers, both Ford and Firestone commissioned studies to find out what the problem was. Ford determined it was faulty tires manufactured by Firestone. Firestone determined it was a design flaw of the Ford Explorer. They were studying the same problem. But two different outcomes? Because each group had a predisposed theory as to what caused the problem, the other guy. These studies of course were not ethical and regulated like you stated, but how ethical and regulated do you think emotion studies can be? Kind of like statistics, you can phrase the questions to get the response you want. "Do you think the guy you gave your phone number to at the bar last night was a jerk?" "No, he was dreammmmy, all talking about his hos and smacking women on the @$$, oh and he had a cool car too!!" "So women aren't attracted to jerks then." "Of course not, why would you ask?"
Mustard Bomb Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Well, I take your point to some degree. In a way, it's difficult and limiting to use them in a casual thread such as this one. I think the research tends to be invoked as a response to hasty generalizations, which, for some reason, run rampant in this particular discussion. Male posters who I know to be capable of stricter and more rigourous logic suddenly turn into frothing generalizers on this topic, and I'm not sure why. It's puzzling. And it inevitably leads to discussions about why these men need to extrapolate their pain into shaky theories instead of concentrating on their own problems, blah blah blah, a few hundred ad hominems later and no one has gotten anywhere. I have a theory, though: I suspect the generalizations help people to feel anger as part of the grieving process. Say man A was badly hurt and rejected by Girl 1. Instead of looking inward, he assumes Girl 1 represents all of women, and that makes him feel helpless and angry. So he uses that anger to get in shape, get a better job, flirt more, and get a better girlfriend. If he is mature and healthy, he leaves the generalizations behind once his own life is acceptable again. The conflict happens, I think, when the person is still stuck in the larva stage of generalizing. His own venom makes his initial claim about being a nice guy difficult for any reasonable person to accept, and no discussion can be had. Nice Guy Who Can't Get Laid by Bitches is sometimes read as Bitter Ugly Loser Who Can't Get Laid and is Incapable of Logic. I think there are nice guys who have been badly hurt, yourself included. (though I may be clouded by your literacy:P) But getting down to the bottom line is difficult when there are so many fallacies littering the thread. Weirdly, I suspect my bottom line and that of someone like alphamale are similar: many (not all) of these guys need to get laid and feel confident. I just suggest skipping though all the generalizing bull$hit and using the pragmatic advice when it applies: Be scientific about approaching love-objects--- try new methods, see what works, discard what doesn't work for you. If reading Plato is not working in that environment, try something else or go somehwere else. Adapt. Touch girls more, get in perfect shape, have enough of your own life so you're not too available, try it all.
alphamale Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Originally posted by Mustard Bomb I think there are nice guys who have been badly hurt, yourself included. (though I may be clouded by your literacy:P) But getting down to the bottom line is difficult when there are so many fallacies littering the thread. Weirdly, I suspect my bottom line and that of someone like alphamale are similar: many (not all) of these guys need to get laid and feel confident. I just suggest skipping though all the generalizing bull$hit and using the pragmatic advice when it applies: Be scientific about approaching love-objects--- try new methods, see what works, discard what doesn't work for you. If reading Plato is not working in that environment, try something else or go somehwere else. Adapt. Touch girls more, get in perfect shape, have enough of your own life so you're not too available, try it all. Well let me say this MUSTARDBOMB: People go with what works in real life. 15 yrs ago I was a nice and naive dude who thought women were nice and could do not wrong. Boy was I wrong! So, in effect, I have changed myself to get what I want. When I was young and dumb and a nice dude I didn't get any female action. Now I do. And what has chaanged? Well my outlook and perceptions of women have changed. I don't mind treating women like shyt when I have to. Took me a long time to learn but I went from being a typical "nice guy" to a more normal man who puts himself first and has more evolved and typical masculine qualities. This took time and many things were learned thru experience.
Mustard Bomb Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 I can respect that. That's straightforward. So why bother with all the anti-women generalizations? I'm not offended by them, I just think they are an illogical waste of time.
alphamale Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Originally posted by Mustard Bomb So why bother with all the anti-women generalizations? I'm not offended by them, I just think they are an illogical waste of time. because it is fun and entertaining. I' mean, that is why most of us are here, right?
Ladyjane14 Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Originally posted by Mustard Bomb So why bother with all the anti-women generalizations? Could it be to get the attention of...hmmm....WOMEN!? I don't know. Maybe if you start a thread with something fairly offensive and wrong, you'll get lots of attention. (????) Much like the moth to the flame, there's nothing a woman loves more than a reformed scoundrel. Wonder if that works in bars?
Mustard Bomb Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Sure, fair enough. It's not my sense of humour, but I don't have those issues. But a number of times they are used as initial premises to scaffold your advice, and they are just not necessary and detract from your credibility and logic. It's not a big deal, I'm just always surprised by those kind of emotional fallacious claims from otherwise intelligent posters. Is that you in the picture?
Pocky Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Originally posted by Mustard Bomb Sure, fair enough. It's not my sense of humour, but I don't have those issues. But a number of times they are used as initial premises to scaffold your advice, and they are just not necessary and detract from your credibility and logic. It's not a big deal, I'm just always surprised by those kind of emotional fallacious claims from otherwise intelligent posters. Is that you in the picture? I've already informed him that this dual personality he tries to have - the true AM vs. the LS AM (in this post and others) isn't enjoyable or beneficial. It'd be nice to be able to have intelligent conversations with him - he wastes so much of his mind on absurdity.
whichwayisup Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Nice Guy Who Can't Get Laid by Bitches is sometimes read as Bitter Ugly Loser Who Can't Get Laid and is Incapable of Logic. Originally posted by Mustard Bomb So why bother with all the anti-women generalizations? I'm not offended by them, I just think they are an illogical waste of time. OK well if he was a she, she'd probably either be offended by that comment or peeved off...We go off on men enough around here, so what if men do the same thing!! Even if to you it's a waste of time, it is always somebody (like mine!) else's chuckle!!! because it is fun and entertaining. I' mean, that is why most of us are here, right? Exactly!!!
MJTig Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 I stopped reading and had to write because you (VirginiaBob) are totally getting on my last nerve. Just because you got screwed and are bitter and angry (which you have a right to FEEL this way) does not mean you need to screw everyone else over to feel as though you "righted a wrong" (putting the feeling into negative action is where people go wrong). All that does is reduce your character to dust and make you look pathetic. Yep, not "cool", not "tough". Certainly not "righteous". Your ex-fiancee and those other women don't give a sh*t what you are doing now, its not going to "teach" them anything. Maybe they ARE bitches- yep they are out there, just like jerks are. Plenty of both and you will run into a few along the way and get hurt by one or more. However, you do not get a pass to be a jerk because you have been screwed. Stop acting the martyr, get over it in a way that isn't destructive to yourself and others... because I am sure your constantly bitching about everyone else's issues aren't helping you deal with your own. Can we stop pointing fingers at each other and acknowledge that there are jerks, but also nice people and not abuse the nice people because of jerks in your past.
whichwayisup Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Good to see that your eyes are the same size in the picture there Alpha! Unlike that cartoon avatar!!
alphamale Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Originally posted by Pocky I've already informed him that this dual personality he tries to have - the true AM vs. the LS AM (in this post and others) isn't enjoyable or beneficial. It'd be nice to be able to have intelligent conversations with him - he wastes so much of his mind on absurdity. POCKY: Yeah, and I do not deny it. I like to be wild and exciting and controversial. It is fun and garners much attention. What do you mean i waste my mind on absurdity? This is ridiculous.
Author VirginiaBob Posted January 14, 2005 Author Posted January 14, 2005 Just like the nice guy doesn't attract women, the same thing could be said about the nice post on this board. I've started many "nice" threads that didn't get any responses from women, but when I post something that is "a challenge", and act like a jerk, my threads attract all kinds of women - just like in real life. Anyways, if you want to know how my date went, it's a few pages back in this thread by now.
Pocky Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 What do you mean i waste my mind on absurdity? This is ridiculous. You waste your time thinking and writing nonsensical comments simply for the sake of shock value. You express opinions that you really don't have to the degree you post and you fashion out a persona that provides you with negative feedback. In my opinion it's a waste of your mind. In my opinion when you could be having intellectual conversations with people, providing logical advice and making a contribution to the group that actually helps us grow instead of reverting to childish antics it's a waste of your mind. You've said some things that were helpful and wise and I have learned from them, but on average you mainly treat the board as a stage for you to perform. If I wanted to be entertained by absurdity I'd watch Pootie Tang.
alphamale Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Originally posted by Pocky You've said some things that were helpful and wise and I have learned from them, but on average you mainly treat the board as a stage for you to perform. If I wanted to be entertained by absurdity I'd watch Pootie Tang. I have gotten # of compliments from people on LS on my lively and entertaing posts that are honest and blunt. I'm just here for entertainment value anyways and if someone get a good piece of advice once in a while then so much the better.
whichwayisup Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 You've said some things that were helpful and wise and I have learned from them, but on average you mainly treat the board as a stage for you to perform. If I wanted to be entertained by absurdity I'd watch Pootie Tang. Holy cow Pocky! We all have every right to say more or less what we want, even if it doesn't stimulate your brain. I personally enjoy his humour, his outlook on things...Not all are for reaction and to piss people off. I am NOT a religious person...I don't really enjoy all those threads that are invaded by religious chatter when the whole point of some threads are NOT related to religion yet it gets dragged in anyways. I don't comment on it, I skim it...Whatever...Each to their own. Just like the nice guy doesn't attract women, the same thing could be said about the nice post on this board. I've started many "nice" threads that didn't get any responses from women, but when I post something that is "a challenge", and act like a jerk, my threads attract all kinds of women - just like in real life. Anyways, if you want to know how my date went, it's a few pages back in this thread by now. Don't know how you act face to face with women....But if feel bitter inside, have that chip on your shoulder women FEEL it and pick up on it. So maybe not all the time it is the women ...Maybe it is you. I don't mean that in a mean way, but not all of us a bitches/hoe's and slags!! Not all women are evil, and out to f*** ya over. Sorry your date (s) and previous experiences have not worked. You have not found the right person for you yet. But she is out there!! Someone who will love you and need you...Someone who makes you feel good and puts you first. Just as you will for her. Good luck and don't give up. Life is just too short! Put up with the little hurts here and there and it will pay off in the end.
Pocky Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale I have gotten # of compliments from people on LS on my lively and entertaing posts that are honest and blunt. I'm just here for entertainment value anyways and if someone get a good piece of advice once in a while then so much the better. If they were honest answers it wouldn't be a performance. I guess it's just me, but I don't find your acting role as the offensive woman hater funny. But then I don't think Howard Stern is funny either so maybe I'm just not your type of audience.
alphamale Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Originally posted by Pocky I guess it's just me, but I don't find your acting role as the offensive woman hater funny. but i'm not a woman hater at all POCKY, I women. But I am also realistic about women and my relationships with them.
Pocky Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 Originally posted by whichwayisup Holy cow Pocky! We all have every right to say more or less what we want, even if it doesn't stimulate your brain. I personally enjoy his humour, his outlook on things...Not all are for reaction and to piss people off. Sigh... I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to say what he wants. He understands my point and he knows that it's stated out of respect and because I value his honest contribution when he's not doing things just for the sake of doing them. I don't think inciting resentment, anger, hostility or giving bad advice to people simply to "shake things up a bit" is productive. And I have said that not everything he has posted has been that and those are the posts I find interesting and enjoy reading. AM understands my point - I wouldn't be making if I didn't think he'd be able to comprehend it. And it's not about stimulating my mind - it's about how I interpret his contribution to the forum. One can have a sense of humor, be blunt and honest and not demean people at the same time.
Mustard Bomb Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 The persona is tedious and cliche, but some people enjoy a good Pauly Shore flick. Meh. I only really notice the misogyny when it undercuts the logic of the posts.
whichwayisup Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 I guess it's just me, but I don't find your acting role as the offensive woman hater funny. But then I don't think Howard Stern is funny either so maybe I'm just not your type of audience. So I guess you don't like Andrew Dice Clay either huh?? Oh, for crying out loud.... Don't be so melodramtic. Don't asssume...How we word things can easily be taken out of context. I actually wrote thatwith a smile on my face...That isn't melodramatic...Hehehehe...I have an anxiety disorder...I know HOW melodramatic I can get sometimes and that definately wasn't it!
Pocky Posted January 14, 2005 Posted January 14, 2005 So I guess you don't like Andrew Dice Clay either huh?? Blech! No, I don't. I did try listening to Stern for a few weeks, but I couldn't do it. He is so blatantly fake and his only way of being funny is to demean people and make them look stupid. Amusement can be on multiple levels - I can find some pretty childish posts hilariously funny and I can find some witty comments hilariously funny but I just don't find putting people down in such a bitter manner as funny. I'm not obsessed with being "intellectual" I'm just incapable of finding hate masked as comedy funny. Don't asssume...How we word things can easily be taken out of context. I actually wrote thatwith a smile on my face...That isn't melodramatic...Hehehehe...I have an anxiety disorder...I know HOW melodramatic I can get sometimes and that definately wasn't it! Well you know - I deleted that comment before you posted. I decided it was inappropriate and might have been an assumption on my part. I did sigh though because I felt I hadn't made myself clear and that frustrates the hell out of me.
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