Mrlonelyone Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Maybe it's because I don't want to have kids who need perfect genres or whatever, but this monkey-data doesn't quite convinve me that beauty is so damn important. Part of the coupling dynamic, for sure, but "best possible mate" criteria? Heck, sex alone: I'll deviate from ideals for someone who's great in bed and frequently interested in engaging in it. That's not monkey data that's research based on human behavior. We are all looking for the best possible genes. Ugly guys want to have a sexy woman so that they can have sexy sons and daughters who will spread their genes more easily. This is not conscious, but it is instinctive.
Content Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 People talking about leagues are talking extremes of course female models arent gonna go out with ugly or obese guys but whenver were talking everyday people we see most people arent either extreme,you see very few 1's and 2's and very few 10's in public so alot of looks is subjective around the middle part. Some of you want to make it such a scientific or robotic thing that you make it seem like you want someone to have a im a 7.2 in looks branded into their arm and that person must breed with a person of the opposite sex whos a 7.2 in your analysis. 1
Mrlonelyone Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 No, we're not. If we were, most people wouldn't reproduce, especially the ugly, unfit ones... and, trust me, they are. Maybe you would pick the best looking specimen available over a sligly lesser one with more compatibility, but most everyone I know would pass over an insufferable ten for a livable seven. You're misappropriating science, and oversimplifying coupling dynamics based on facial studies. That's what I mean by monkey data. The real world is way more complex. We are not monkeys running on instinct alone... well, maybe you are, but most of us are not. What you are saying here is contradicted by mountains of scientific evidence. From fossils that show species changing by natural selection (not everyone mates, not all offspring are fit.) Humans are no different. Peer reviewed, published, scientific evidence is not a mere opinion. What studies can you cite to back your claims other than that what I say feels unsavory? How does believing in a fairy tale version of dating and love help people get what they need in life? If it were not for that there is no way to explain why some Australopithecines evolved in to Homo Habilis....then Homo Erectus. If every individual of every species that ever lived reproduced then there would never ever be an extinction event, ever. Yet there are no dinosaurs now. There are no Australopithecines now. There are no Mammoth's now. Why is that? Human dating is no different. All that matters in the end is finding the best mate and having the best, strongest, smartest, fastest children we can. Frankly, in my 36 years of existing, people are most interested is beauty to show off to their friends and satisfy their own egos than concerns about genetic superiority... and while things like facial symmetry have an effect, the aforementioned cultural biases are a much more influential component, IMHO. There's huge portions of the female population in America that'll pass over otherwise genetically ideal Asian men, for instance. It's not about showing off. It's all subconcious. If you're brad pit...you're going to have to marry a Jennifer Aniston/ Angelina Jolie looking and achieving woman. If you're Davie Bowie you need to marry a woman allot like Iman. If you're Joe the Plumber then you marry Jane the waitress.
carhill Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 He wasn't necessarily 'ugly' but it was interesting back when it happened to follow the Liz and Larry story, the mega-rich former queen of the screen and the construction worker. I mean, really, Liz could have pretty much had anyone for her last husband. Come on. Maybe aggressive pays off. 2
newmoon Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 I'm by no means saying that unattractive people should never pursue someone attractive. I've seen pretty girls with guys who aren't the best looking but they have an amazing relationship! Most of the time they started out as just friends. So, in my opinion, unattractive people who want to ask out someone more attractive than them should try to meet them in a way where they have a chance to show off other qualities that make them attractive other than looks. I'd say try OLD, I know many girls who have replied to guys who they didn't find that physically attractive, because they liked what they read in their profile. I agree with the OP that cold approaching is not the best way.. Unless you are seen in a fancy car and the girl is shallow. I think this is exactly the case. While some ugly men may cold approach, a majority of the ugly guy/hot women who are together in a relationship were likely friends first, where she was able to get to know his inner qualities. And I completely agree that they have amazing relationships - the guy gets the hot woman and envy of other guys, and she gets just about anything she wants to keep her happy. It's a win-win.
ThaWholigan Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 I do believe in the Halo effect and the fact that many echelons of society operate on a league/elitist mentality regarding beauty. It does not bother me much, because I accept this. My argument is simply that a person doesn't have to accept being with a person they are not attracted to simply because others deem them to be "in the same league". My other feeling is that there are always ways it can be overridden or circumvented. 1
MrCastle Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Mr Castle, no offense, it's more of a rhetorical point, but if those women you speak of could have ANY MAN they wanted they would not have chosen you. I think what you mean to say is that they were reasonably attractive and did have other options. This doesn't destroy my points on leagues being real. You did not achieve anything that is unusual by dating an attractive women, by your standards, 1) as was mentioned your perception of attractive is influenced by your own attractiveness. We have no objective view of how attractive those women were, just your anecdotes. 2) you stated you are reasonably attractive yourself, kind of enforcing my argument (IE you indicated you were aware of you and your partners relative attractiveness and you probably if only unaware took that into account in your courtships). Leagues are caused by supply and demand I guess. They are not purposely enacted or written into scripture. There's no/to little rigidity to these leagues either, you can date up or down, a bit. They have to exist, just as prices are different between different items in shopping market based on how rare/desired they are (demand), different people will have different values in the dating market, and no one wants to get "brought" for less than they are worth, just as you wound't sell your car under priced to a stranger cuz' they were nice, benevolence doesn't exist, not in dating anyway. Well there's no way to show you what the women in question looked like because I'm not gonna post their pictures, especially just to prove a point. The fact that they model professionally or semi professionally should be enough. They make money based off their looks. So I would say objectively, they are highly attractive. Anyway, yes -- highly attractive young women have a much larger dating pool than pretty much any other group. When I say they can have any man they want -- I mean they certainly could have gotten a man more attractive than myself. Me being short and skinny, though facially attractive -- they could have gotten a tall, six pack having ripped dude, with a face just as attractive as mine. I'm also a broke college kid. They could have gone after a guy that made at least a decent amount of money. They picked me. Why? Intangibles outside of attractiveness levels or "leagues." They could have dated fellow models. They chose me. Why? Intangibles. 3
Mrlonelyone Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) Archaxis. I know darn well about statistical analysis Mr. If it was just one study or two, or they were small you would be right. In reality it is hundreds of studies that back up each other that their are objective and quantifiable measures of beauty which will, on average, attract positive attention. I hate writing something long again.. Read this post and tell me that what I mention there would not make for an objectively beautiful person (of any gender). http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/dating/453245-when-some-found-you-attractive-physically-but#post5444987 Free will is all well and good. That free will always leads to people acting in their own self interest. Genes out competing other genes over geologically significant periods of time. If your genes gave you the free will to mate with a partner who had an extra leg or was missing a leg, or across species, most of the time it lead to disaster. Those genes would not survive into the next generation. That is what all of our sex drive is designed to do. Edited January 7, 2014 by Mrlonelyone Warning Kermie Junior doesn't turn out well.
Mrlonelyone Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 You know a darn many things, sir, except the difference between the group and the individual. So far as sciences go, chaos theory might not be your bag either. Even individual choices have been shown to follow these patterns. Really cite some research to back your claims. I have cited research to back mine again and again. Don't tell Mr. Breeder Genes here about homosexuality either. Attraction is all about popping out genetically superior babes after all. LOL. Which shows that you know nothing about me. ... or for that matter the more recent theories on how a certain about of homosexuality and bisexuality were beneficial to the group as a whole. Evolution myths: Natural selection cannot explain homosexuality - life - 16 April 2008 - New Scientist A common assumption is that homosexuality means not having children, but this is not necessarily true, especially in cultures other than our own. Until it became acceptable for same-sex couples to live together in western countries, many homosexual people had partners of the opposite sex. In some traditional societies, various forms of non-exclusive homosexuality were common. In pretty much every ancestral hunter gatherer society so called two-spirited people were valued members of the tribe. They were free to employ whatever gender or sexual norms they saw fit and were often Shaman and healers to boot. Hastiin Klah was such a person and is known to have had both biological daugters and younger "two spirit" daughters. He ultimately took up with a wealthy white woman who appreciated his art and who is identified by man as a "lesbian".
Leigh 87 Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Well there's no way to show you what the women in question looked like because I'm not gonna post their pictures, especially just to prove a point. The fact that they model professionally or semi professionally should be enough. They make money based off their looks. So I would say objectively, they are highly attractive. Anyway, yes -- highly attractive young women have a much larger dating pool than pretty much any other group. When I say they can have any man they want -- I mean they certainly could have gotten a man more attractive than myself. Me being short and skinny, though facially attractive -- they could have gotten a tall, six pack having ripped dude, with a face just as attractive as mine. I'm also a broke college kid. They could have gone after a guy that made at least a decent amount of money. They picked me. Why? Intangibles outside of attractiveness levels or "leagues." They could have dated fellow models. They chose me. Why? Intangibles. The 2's and the 9 and 10's don't tend to mingle, however, anyone who is NOT a super model OR hideous, can get whomever they want with the right personality and aura about them. I firmly believe that a 4/10 right through to 8/10 are all in the same physical league, in that it is common for "good looking" folks to fall for plain or slightly odd looking people, and vice versa. As you say, it is all about intangible and also positive personal attributes AS LONG as you're not a hideous looking person wanting a super model. Anything else goes in my opinion. I fall within the "non model yet not ugly" range, and I, without intending to be arrogant or conceited, can get very hot men who are 8's and I even got a few 9's. In the same vein, I've gone out with what some might consider to be a 4 too, without any concern. My bf and I are evenly matched as was my last long termer. This is how subject looks are: some of his mates thought he could do a lot better than me, 110 lbs at the time with a figure that could have modeled swim ware (my body used to be that good, due to genetics amd very hard work). I also have nice straight teeth, clear skin and large eyes and lips. I'm not a model yet I have more than one stand out feature. Dw I know I'm nothing special to most but I'm darn well not ugly to most. Yet his friends deemed me not good enough for him.. they told him OFTEN that I simply wasn't attractive and I was NOT good enough. ....mm. the thing is, MY friends and parents honestly thought I was the hotter one in the R. HE is now dating a 19 yr old model who is a 10. Well, perhaps me, a cute girl who had a killer figure back then, wasn't enough for him. So now he has a model beautiful girl wayyyy younger than him, and his mates probably high 5 him. Some people have unrealistic and narrow ranges of beauty. Just because I wasn't some model, his mates really attacked my looks.. When no one else in my adult life has ever said anything about me negatively in that regard, and most people I know at least find me cute. So there is a sad example of people who made a big deal about me dating their friend, who THEY thought was "above my league" when everyone else in real life who knew me and had seen pictures him though it was LUDACRIS how his friends carried on about my appearance, since I am a completely normal and non hideous looking lady!
Mrlonelyone Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Since the way different people define the leagues matters to you a 4/10 and an 8/10 are just average. While the really hot an the really cold are very rare. I can agree with that. To me it looks like a bell shaped curve. In fact I will draw you a picture. http://sdrv.ms/1czhDMX The 2's and the 9 and 10's don't tend to mingle, however, anyone who is NOT a super model OR hideous, can get whomever they want with the right personality and aura about them. I firmly believe that a 4/10 right through to 8/10 are all in the same physical league, in that it is common for "good looking" folks to fall for plain or slightly odd looking people, and vice versa. As you say, it is all about intangible and also positive personal attributes AS LONG as you're not a hideous looking person wanting a super model. Anything else goes in my opinion. I fall within the "non model yet not ugly" range, and I, without intending to be arrogant or conceited, can get very hot men who are 8's and I even got a few 9's. In the same vein, I've gone out with what some might consider to be a 4 too, without any concern. My bf and I are evenly matched as was my last long termer. This is how subject looks are: some of his mates thought he could do a lot better than me, 110 lbs at the time with a figure that could have modeled swim ware (my body used to be that good, due to genetics amd very hard work). I also have nice straight teeth, clear skin and large eyes and lips. I'm not a model yet I have more than one stand out feature. Dw I know I'm nothing special to most but I'm darn well not ugly to most. Yet his friends deemed me not good enough for him.. they told him OFTEN that I simply wasn't attractive and I was NOT good enough. ....mm. the thing is, MY friends and parents honestly thought I was the hotter one in the R. HE is now dating a 19 yr old model who is a 10. Well, perhaps me, a cute girl who had a killer figure back then, wasn't enough for him. So now he has a model beautiful girl wayyyy younger than him, and his mates probably high 5 him. Some people have unrealistic and narrow ranges of beauty. Just because I wasn't some model, his mates really attacked my looks.. When no one else in my adult life has ever said anything about me negatively in that regard, and most people I know at least find me cute. So there is a sad example of people who made a big deal about me dating their friend, who THEY thought was "above my league" when everyone else in real life who knew me and had seen pictures him though it was LUDACRIS how his friends carried on about my appearance, since I am a completely normal and non hideous looking lady!
Leigh 87 Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Mrlonleyone, precisely. Although "average", I am still within that " not ugly yet not super hot" range, I can STILL find men who think I am gorgeous, and a few who think I am ugly (although I have to admit, the vast majority seem to think I am at least cute, not many think "damn she's ugly") When single, I conducted myself in a way where I genuinely believed that a whole RANGE me men could potentially be interested in me! I KNEW a hot model or actor who dates Victoria secrets angels would not consider me date worthy, in the same vein as I refuse to consider men who were VERY unfortunate looking. It simply NEVER occurred to me to limit myself to ONLY men who are MY league, since looks ARE subjective WITHIN REASON! I knew that some really hot guys, up to about an 8 or more rarely a 9, would find me very attractive, so why tell myself " no, don't take their advances seriously, they are "hotter" than me so surely they are just out for sex, since I am not "hot enough" for them to consider me "relationship material" You just cannot have that outlook if you are an average guy or girl! You have to be open to a WIDE array of men taking an interest in you! Within the realm of "average", which is about a 4 - 8 out of 10, anything goes!
Woggle Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 When somebody faces constant rejection eventually they develop a thick skin and just don't care about the risks anymore. If they get rejected then so what because they are used to it.
Weezy1973 Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Two key concepts when talking about evolutionary psychology: 1. Variability. Probably the single most important concept to grasp - literally everybody is different. That's what makes evolution work. Claiming that everybody feels physical attraction the same way due to evolutionary reasons is a bogus claim. 2. The number one most important trait that our brain has evolved to have is adaptability. In other words, environmental factors are inextricably linked to genetic ones. You can't argue based solely on genetics / evolution without including the environment (i.e. upbringing, culture etc.). When you add environmental factors into the mix you increase the variability enormously (i.e. instead of a bell shaped curve, it actually would be a lot flatter). All that being said, there are definitely objectively better looking people than others - sometimes it's due to genetics, but often it's due to effort. Regardless, couples tend to pair up in terms of physical attractiveness - if you go out it's actually pretty amazing to see. Rarely (although it does happen from time to time) do you see a couple and think they are grossly mismatched in physical attractiveness. And that being said - people should be able to approach whoever they want! The fact that an ugly guy approached an attractive woman without caring about the result is great in my opinion. We all should learn to take risks and not get hung up on the result. Of course if he was rude or obnoxious about it, that is a problem (as it would be if a handsome man is rude and obnoxious). 1
SushiX Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Because ugly dudes need to get laid too. Get over yourself. 1
MalachiX Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 I can't believe we're still arguing about this. Anyone who doesn't think confidence accounts for a great deal of all social interactions (not just romantic/sexual) is powerfully uninformed. The bottom line is that we're attracted to a great many things and people demonstrate their "value" in a great many ways. I'm attracted to a great many things about women that aren't physical and among those are strength, confidence, and....well....balls (for lack of a better word). I respect any woman who displays courage and I know a lot of women who respect the same thing in men. Being aggressive (but still respectful) is very attractive to a lot of people. On that note, sometimes one needs to be aggressive so that other people can learn of your other great qualities. It's "getting a foot in the door" so to speak. I and friends I know have gotten jobs by being aggressive. We may not have been as strong as many other canidates as far as experience was concerned but we wanted the job a lot and were damn good at our craft. We had to be aggressive to get an employers attention (get in the door), but then we had to show them something else. No is saying that confidence is all you need but it's a start. Here's a fun example. Woody Allen used to date Diane Keaton. Now, I'm no expert, but I'd say Allen is a 2 or 3 on the attractiveness scale (even though I don't believe in it), and Keaton was (at the time) a 7 or 8 (I'd actually give her a 9 because she's smart and funny but let's say 8 just for argument's sake). How did Allen manage to land her? I can't say for sure but I'm willing to bet that he was willing to be aggressive at some point (even if that's totally counter to his public persona). My guess is that he was willing to take a risk and put himself out there which got her attention long enough for her to see his charming/funny side (which is an asset that he has in spades). I realize this may seem like an odd example (especially given Allen's later romantic life); but this is a guy who managed to land some really attractive women despite looking pretty awful IMO. I think to all the "mismatched" couples I know. Usually they stay together because they connect on some level that goes beyond what we think is their level of attractiveness (obviously). However, when asking how they got together, the "more attractive" partner often mentions something along the lines of confidence or "being comfortable in his/her own skin." I remember a girl I knew in my early 20s. We were working together at a summer school (as TAs). I'd seen her picture before (in a yearbook) and thought she wasn't particularly attractive. I did an about face the second I met her. Something about the way she carried herself was amazingly attractive and a big part of it was that she was comfortable with who she was, didn't apologize for it, and was willing to be assertive. 1
Ninjainpajamas Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 One of the most common associations with the word "model" is that this person is assumed to be undoubtedly physically attractive or beautiful...when there are plenty of different types of modeling...hands, legs, feet, wrist models, clothing, and the list goes on and on...so while in many cases this person doesn't fall within average looking it doesn't mean they cannot, and with make-up, hair professionals along with photoshop I'm sure they can make a lot of "improvements" on just about anyone with the right foundation of what they are looking for, so they don't necessarily have to be stunning people in terms of beauty, they can just have the right body type, facial features for taking photos or have an eccentric look. I'm no expert but one day you'll meet someone or several people who have done modeling or do it who are not necessarily the greatest looking people or particularly stand out, then you'll think to yourself....hmmm. I remember catching a glimpse of that show "America's next top model" and many of those girls were not that attractive, the criteria seemed to be more-over who was skinny, and had certain facial features. As a Latin guy living in Los Angeles, it's a pretty big melting pot of just about everything...but in general for Latino men they tend to prefer women who are curvier and essentially the body can take precedence over the face (not that it's not that way for many men but it's more pronounced in Latin culture from my experience) so for example Jennifer Lopez (as much as I don't like her as a person or because I don't think she's anything special) is a good example of preferred body type and she wouldn't be as popular or at all without that body for many Latin men... The body Latin women therefore tend to wear tight clothes regardless of whether they fit, wrapping themselves up like a chorizo....channeling the extra fat to her breast and booty, because Latin guys like the curves...of course they're all not all curvy, they can be skinny, or petite but it tends to be better if she has big chichis and junk in the trunk...I would say the "culture" (and I use this word loosely) has more of an appreciation for that. Of course if she's gorgeous that's great...but many a Latin guy will have his tongue hanging out and eyes-popping out 4 feet before the girl even ever turned around...long hair, tight dress, wide hips, big booty and she's already a 10 in his book! Now I know this because I've been out with plenty of Latin men but don't get your panties in a bunch I'm generalizing here, they've been my friends/acquaintances/random people but it doesn't mean we're all the same or that I speak for all Latin men, personally I don't even tend to date Latin women for example, I like variety although I could've perfectly well dated within that spectrum if I decided so like many Latin men that I have known to do so. Now that may be considered subjective by some, my cultural influence, my sexual desirability preference as If I had to choose between a great body and a cute face and a average body and a pretty face I'd probably go with the great body and cute face objectively speaking If I had to make a choice like that which I won't because I'll never think of it that simply, of course I don't date or even size up women in that way, but in terms of speaking objectively about preferences and although I will date practically any race, height, body-type or skin color...I would tend to lean towards physique in terms desirability, someone with a gorgeous face but maybe who is overly skinny would not be all that desirable to me. Even though I recognize her "beauty". So it's all still relevant, I completely subscribe to leagues and objective beauty, as well as subjectivity in what you desire...especially as you mature which can tweak the list, as long as your happy and feel like you're dating a really hot person or they're desirable in your eyes then fine...but just realize not everyone lives in that bubble...i know that personally my physique and height have given me an advantage for example, without that I know for certain I wouldn't have ever been able to date some women I had...regardless of how handsome or how much personality I had, and that's really just the truth...it can often times be that shallow....we are in a sense hard-wired in some aspects whether you consider that subjective or human nature is up to you...if the world was to rate you in terms of looks, chances are you'd fall within a particular rating/spectrum, maybe being more or less attractive to some demographics more than others...add things like income, employment and education to your profile and that can change the results dramatically as well....it's more about science than people realize IMO. There predictable factors that affect your attractiveness more than you may think. 1
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SJC2008 Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 I can't believe we're still arguing about this. Anyone who doesn't think confidence accounts for a great deal of all social interactions (not just romantic/sexual) is powerfully uninformed. I understand your point but don't agree that confidence accounts for a great deal. Yes being "comfortable in your skin" does make someone more attractive but unless you're physically attracted to someone 51% or better, it doesn't matter.
Leigh 87 Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 You all have to admit, there is something innately unattractive about a man or a woman who acts like another person is audacious for hitting on them, IF the person falls into their "ugly" radar. It is SO much nicer of a person to simply be gracious, politely decline the " hideous" persons advances, and then NOT go and repeat it to their friends.
BeholdtheMan Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 people attribute positive personal traits to good looking peopleAgree with the halo effect (and the reverse halo effect for ugly people)...but I disagree that because the halo effect exists, confidence will necessarily be perceived as a negative trait in an ugly person. Douchebaggery might be perceived as confidence in a highly attractive guy, whereas an ugly guy might not get away with it...but true confidence would be a plus for both guys 2
Mrlonelyone Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 You all have to admit, there is something innately unattractive about a man or a woman who acts like another person is audacious for hitting on them, IF the person falls into their "ugly" radar. It is SO much nicer of a person to simply be gracious, politely decline the " hideous" persons advances, and then NOT go and repeat it to their friends. Sadly that is a feature of immature people.
MalachiX Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 I understand your point but don't agree that confidence accounts for a great deal. Yes being "comfortable in your skin" does make someone more attractive but unless you're physically attracted to someone 51% or better, it doesn't matter. Clearly confidence isn't everything but I really do think we underestimate a great many things about attraction and what our society seems to perceive as objectively attractive. Here's a fun example. Adam Driver is an actor who is on the HBO Show Girls. The first time I saw him I found him to be one of the most amazingly creepy/unattractive guys I'd seen on TV. Part of that was his character (who is creepy) but part of that was just his face. I've had female friends also say they found him icky. Here's his picture: http://images.bwwstatic.com/upload8/337934/tn-500_angerwm-------------2147483648.jpg From my perspective (and I think from what we collectively think as "sexy"); this dude ain't got it. However, now the show's a hit and he's a big success. Suddenly, from his success and (I'm assuming) no found confidence, this guy is now a model for The Gap. I'm sure he has a much easier time with women now than all of us "more attractive" people on this board. http://fashionpost.jp/article/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/20130829Gap_Fall13_Otrwr_Adam_3.jpg I still think he isn't attractive but society seems to have changed their tune. That's why I think spending too much energy on "objective" leagues is silly. I'm a very visual person so I can't discount that there are certain aesthetic characteristics that we label as "good looking" compared to "ugly." HOWEVER, what I've learned is that sexual attraction is somewhat outside of this. People are attracted to a lot of different things and there's no objective standard. If you look on these boards, you'll see threads where someone says, "my friends say my SO is not as attractive as I am but I think he/she is super sexy." I don't think these people are lying. I just think certain things can be sexy without being handsome/pretty. I think people who talk about leagues are more interested in what other people might think of them and regard beauty as a form of status. Like that thread a young woman made a while ago when she started dating a very handsome man who was short and, even though she still found him super attractive, she was concerned how having a short boyfriend looked to others. 2
sw2020 Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 I'm a good looking guy. Your attitude stinks, so even if I approached a girl like you, you'd probably keep my interest for all of thirty seconds. Judgemental people make me laugh. 1
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