Going foreign may be my best option available.....

[lino]

I definitely got noticed more out in WA (Perth) than in the Sydney or Melbourne areas. I also noticed an American didn't stand out when in Auckland or Wellington (NZ). People were friendly but that was it. However, I wasn't attempting to meet people at the time. I would say rural Australia was where I felt like I 'stood out' the most and got noticed by the ladies the most. 'Rural' was away from the coast and up into the hill country. Additionally, for a young person, Australia or New Zealand has good emigration possibilities.

 

Never been to WA so can't comment on it a lot but I can imagine Perth would be a lot more easy going than Sydney or Melbourne.

Might be similar to how NYC and LA are compared to other American cities.

 

You definitely would've stood out in rural Australia. Even I'd stand out there!

[Locust]

I guess the irony is completely lost on you guys as to WHY the clear majority of these foreign women find you all so "desirable" and "fascinating" while western women don't.

 

It's because you're a ticket out of poverty or to a better life for them.

 

You all whine, holler and cry that 'entitled princesses' in the western world expect you to pay for their dinner or drinks and all that nonsense. Then, you turn around and get big heads because girls from foreign countries are all showing an interest in you and you think it's because they think you're a hottie. LMAO!!!

 

Here's a tip, boys: if you're ugly here, you're ugly there as well - however, they'll overlook that if you can provide them a BETTER LIFE or a route to North America. They'll absolutely act like you're the greatest thing since sliced bread - because there's something IN it for them.

 

They don't see you as JUST a guy who'll buy their dinner or drinks - they see you as a ticket to a better life. To a lot of them, North Americans are all rich and privileged and you can provide them with the things they can't get in their dirt-poor little fishing villages.

 

You guys thought buying dinner on a date was extreme? Just WAIT until you're footing the bill to support some foreign woman by dragging her over here as your mail-order bride and supporting her for the next 25 years or so. You'll WISH your only expense had been dinner.

 

 

Well maybe if American were not so superficial then it would not be a problem. Yes, some oversea women are looking for green cards but not all. You acting like all of them are. Just like some American women looking for a guy with a ton of money. Also culture is different. You act like non good looking guys should have a chance of love. The OP is looking at better options so am I. All American women want the hot guy.

[carhill]

Since the OP apparently lists themselves in their profile as 'unemployed', my first suggestion would be, if not employed nor gainfully self-employed, to establish a financial 'nest egg' for international dating, especially if a LTR is contemplated, due to both the costs of the process and the support requirements by the government for K1-K3 visas. In addition, if self-employed, establish an identifiable and quantifiable business presence, like consistent corporate or individual business tax filings, a D&B and/or BBB rating, financial assets like investments and/or real estate holdings, etc, etc. Anything which indicates to the government that one is stable and a positive support candidate, presuming the goal is to bring a foreign woman to the US on an immigration visa.

 

If ex-pat, then the reporting requirements would be lesser, but still financial stability and/or employability would be important, as foreign governments look at such factors for immigration whether on business or personal visas.

 

It's easy to move a finger and/or type some keystrokes on a keyboard searching for the 'ideal woman'. The reality of it is somewhat different and far more complex. Good luck.

[vtran31]

I think you need to approach women differently. You can be a hookup virgin and be happy. Isaac newton never dated a women and look where he went.

 

But my girlfriends tell me they want a guy who is disinterested in them. I don't know what this means but I can guess they want someone who they can chase, not someone who chases them

 

I hope that helps

[carhill]

OP, relevant to women and 'chasing', you may wish to do some demographic research on your targeted cultures. We often discussed this as WOVO (write one visit one) versus WMVM (write many visit many). My personal takeaway was that, when a lady knew I was seeing other ladies, this put her off. This crossed generations in the demographics I dated. Being honest about that proved to be a thorn I had to deal with. I could be honest and miss out on some good potentials; I could lie and they'd be none the wiser, or I could focus only on one at a time. Difficult decision when in-country for a substantial period of time. IMO, there are no easy answers.

 

In a way, I think the ladies were processing this similarly to how we discuss 'multi-dating' today, and the vast majority I interacted with did not like when a man 'multi-dated' and his apparent aloofness or unavailability as an exclusive dating prospect did not impel them to chase, rather caused most to lessen interest or disengage. I did note that the younger ones tended to 'put up with' multi-dating better than the older ones, meaning those in my age group.

 

Bottom line? Know your audience, especially if crossing cultural boundaries.

[ltjg45]

Since the OP apparently lists themselves in their profile as 'unemployed', my first suggestion would be, if not employed nor gainfully self-employed, to establish a financial 'nest egg' for international dating, especially if a LTR is contemplated, due to both the costs of the process and the support requirements by the government for K1-K3 visas. In addition, if self-employed, establish an identifiable and quantifiable business presence, like consistent corporate or individual business tax filings, a D&B and/or BBB rating, financial assets like investments and/or real estate holdings, etc, etc. Anything which indicates to the government that one is stable and a positive support candidate, presuming the goal is to bring a foreign woman to the US on an immigration visa.

 

If ex-pat, then the reporting requirements would be lesser, but still financial stability and/or employability would be important, as foreign governments look at such factors for immigration whether on business or personal visas.

 

It's easy to move a finger and/or type some keystrokes on a keyboard searching for the 'ideal woman'. The reality of it is somewhat different and far more complex. Good luck.

 

I am currently employed right now and considering a 2nd job to speed up the process.

 

And wow, you know a lot concerning this stuff. I really can't thank you enough for sharing this.

 

I think you need to approach women differently. You can be a hookup virgin and be happy. Isaac newton never dated a women and look where he went.

 

But my girlfriends tell me they want a guy who is disinterested in them. I don't know what this means but I can guess they want someone who they can chase, not someone who chases them

 

I hope that helps

 

Well, what I do is look around and scan the general area and then figure out which women I like enough to approach. I tend approach them and show my interest in them immediately because I do believe that acting like I want to be friends with her when I really want more is dishonest.

 

If I get turned down, then I will stop the chase for her. If she isn't interested, she isn't interested. No need to harass her after the fact. I simply leave her alone unless she shows signs of interest again and, by that, I mean strong signs.

 

OP, relevant to women and 'chasing', you may wish to do some demographic research on your targeted cultures. We often discussed this as WOVO (write one visit one) versus WMVM (write many visit many). My personal takeaway was that, when a lady knew I was seeing other ladies, this put her off. This crossed generations in the demographics I dated. Being honest about that proved to be a thorn I had to deal with. I could be honest and miss out on some good potentials; I could lie and they'd be none the wiser, or I could focus only on one at a time. Difficult decision when in-country for a substantial period of time. IMO, there are no easy answers.

 

In a way, I think the ladies were processing this similarly to how we discuss 'multi-dating' today, and the vast majority I interacted with did not like when a man 'multi-dated' and his apparent aloofness or unavailability as an exclusive dating prospect did not impel them to chase, rather caused most to lessen interest or disengage. I did note that the younger ones tended to 'put up with' multi-dating better than the older ones, meaning those in my age group.

 

Bottom line? Know your audience, especially if crossing cultural boundaries.

 

I prefer to date one woman at a time so I hope that is still respected among my generation in foreign countries. Down here, it's a huge fad and, really, I couldn't find a bigger turn off for me outside of an obvious deal breaker.

 

Seems like time is not on my side. Everything's changing and not for the better.

[CantonBound]

I think you need to approach women differently. You can be a hookup virgin and be happy. Isaac newton never dated a women and look where he went.

 

But my girlfriends tell me they want a guy who is disinterested in them. I don't know what this means but I can guess they want someone who they can chase, not someone who chases them

 

I hope that helps

 

Exactly....and who wants this kind of headache?

 

Foreign women like to be pursued. Most American women want a guy that doesn't want them.

 

And we're the crazy ones?

[Els]

Exactly....and who wants this kind of headache?

 

Foreign women like to be pursued. Most American women want a guy that doesn't want them.

 

And we're the crazy ones?

 

Are we still doing the America vs TheRestOfTheWorld thing?

 

Protip: "Foreign" women tend to not be too impressed with guys who don't know that there are other countries. With other names and other cultures. That *gasp* aren't all the same!

[OpheliaSong]

Meh. Do what you want to do. Maybe if you are treated the same in other countries you can see what is wrong with you, instead of blaming it all on the women in the USA.

[jlola]

Exactly....and who wants this kind of headache?

 

Foreign women like to be pursued. Most American women want a guy that doesn't want them.

 

And we're the crazy ones?

 

I am foreign born and I do think International dating is great! Just be really careful and take off rose colored glasses.That being said, I think both American men and women tend to want what they cannot have . The women love bad boys, the men love the crazy "hot" girls they can put their capes on and save.

[Locust]

I thinking trying Poland. If I do meet a foreign, I probably just like in that country. Less hassle than to try and bring her to the states.

[Eclypse]

What the hell do you mean by "foreign". There are more than 200 countries in the world. I get the idea OP and a lot of the similar posters to him when they think foreign they think of those "Ukrainian mail order bride" types. Or "Latinas", which covers more countries than I can count. You can't lump people of a certain nationality or ethnicity together. For every quiet, obedient wife whose only goal in life is to service her husband, you'll get a firebrand.

 

Besides, what's wrong with western women? Sure, some are bitches but in no higher proportion than others I've met. I know some beautiful girls who have dated some real dropkicks. They dated guys with no education, no/crap jobs and no car. You'll find snobbery everywhere, although what's wrong with having standards? Unless maybe there really is a marked difference between Australian women and American women?

[StanMusial]

Three words: Mex E Co

[ltjg45]

What the hell do you mean by "foreign". There are more than 200 countries in the world. I get the idea OP and a lot of the similar posters to him when they think foreign they think of those "Ukrainian mail order bride" types. Or "Latinas", which covers more countries than I can count. You can't lump people of a certain nationality or ethnicity together. For every quiet, obedient wife whose only goal in life is to service her husband, you'll get a firebrand.

 

I am a simple guy. I prefer to keep it simple and easy to understand.

 

My definition of "foreign" is simply those outside of the United States. Since I don't know the environment outside of the U.S. outside of what other people tell me, I can't judge them just yet. However, I will also make the assumption that it can't get any worse than it is in the U.S.

 

Yes, I am aware that there is good, if not great, American women here. I meet them every day. Unfortunately, they are almost always taken and they typically is older than me. I don't meet a lot of people that is awesome around my age range.

 

Another point is that almost every woman I meet that is attractive in my eyes either is a smoker or has more than enough tattoos. One is a complete deal breaker, the second is depending on how they overall look. In the end, it doesn't help since I have no tattoos and I intend to keep it that way.

As an result, I prefer a woman with very few, if no, tattoos.

 

Lastly, I will NEVER even get the thought that I can "purchase" a wife/partner. If it is clear that the only thing she is interested is my finances, then I will have no issues ending the relationship.

 

Perhaps that will work for other men but I am looking for an actual partner, not a slave under a business agreement.

[ltjg45]

Besides, what's wrong with western women? Sure, some are bitches but in no higher proportion than others I've met. I know some beautiful girls who have dated some real dropkicks. They dated guys with no education, no/crap jobs and no car. You'll find snobbery everywhere, although what's wrong with having standards? Unless maybe there really is a marked difference between Australian women and American women?

 

There is nothing wrong with having standards otherwise I would contradict myself since I do have standards in the partner I want for a relationship or possible marriage.

 

The issue I have with Western women is that a good number of them have no standards. They will sleep with a guy they wanted despite he is probably smoking drugs, getting in trouble, rude, has no positive ambition, walking with their pants off their butts, etc etc. To make things worse, they even impregnated by them making themselves single mothers and their own lives much harder for no reason.

 

I have a hard time finding a woman in my age range that I would deem attractive that isn't a single mother right now. That is a problem for someone like me and, no, I don't consider my standards to be too high either.

[Locust]

I have to say that is quite true what OP said. I feel also you have to be a bad guy because it seems what women like. Like he said if a woman is after a green card then dump back where she came from. I would not date a single mother because I seen and heard that guy is taking care of the child as if it was his child. Besides I might want to have kids and if she has one already she may not want another one. In addition, I don't want any baby momma and daddy drama.