Bringing "the man" to girl talk/hangouts: disrespectful?

[serial muse]

What I don't get is freezing your partner out, and even when they're trying to connect with you - like trying to touch your foot with hers - you remain sulky and angry and self-isolated. The type of behavior you've described in this thread, for any length of time beyond about half an hour, and with any regularity, would probably be a deal breaker for me. It just seems childish.

 

It seems like this is part of your self image - "I'm not clingy! She clings to ME!" It's like you're not seeing yourself in a partnership, but want to hold your partner at arm's distance, with a kind of threat that you will withdraw. I get the sense that the more withdrawn you are, the more you withhold from her, is about your sense of control.

 

Yeah, I missed this part of the earlier post, because I was focusing on the original post and the ensuing discussion. But this is really enlightening - and honestly, seems like game-playing to me. Moving your foot away when she tries to touch you with hers? Really, Fondue? Why would you do that? Jesus, ouch. In light of how much you withhold from her, I really hope you reevaluate whether it make sense to hold this event against her like you are.

 

Honestly, initially I thought this was just about anxiety and thoughtfulness and miscommunication between two people...but after reading this post, it's making me think that there is a real control issue here. I mean, you were placed all unwitting in a situation that's out of your comfort zone, which no one likes -- but it didn't just make you uncomfortable and anxious, it seems to have made you furious. That's...worrisome, if it's a sign of how you react when you lose control of a situation. I'm really not trying to come down hard on you, but you say this is your first real relationship in a while, and I'm just saying that maybe it's worth thinking about whether this is really how you mean to go forward. Do you really want to reject 4 out of 5 advances from her, in order to maintain a mythical "upper hand"? Do you really think she's going to be OK with that, in the long term? Or is that not even an issue for you?

[phineas]

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean. A dictionary is your friend.

 

Either way, I am not going to hijack this thread with this irrational nonsense. So how about we refrain from arguing and name calling and get back to the point of this thread (and following the forum rules) and helping the OP?

 

OP, have you thought at all about our advice to talk to your girl about how you're feeling?

 

I'll just leave this here.

 

From the OP.

One request I have with all the women I have ever seen is to NOT take me on outings with "the girlfriends." That's the one thing I ask. I do not want to be part of a circle of girls, I do not want to be hanging out and being the only penis there. It doesn't work. It is very uncomfortable. What usually happens in these situations is I close up, become silent and visibly uneasy, and just hope that someone comes up to me, pulls out a gun, and shoots me in the head. I feel that out of place, really.

 

Whenever there is a meetup that will result in me being introduced or hanging out with one of my SO's friends, I ALWAYS make sure there will be other men present there. It allows me to loose, funny, and overall a joy to be around (or so everyone tells me). If there are no other men, I just turn off (as I stated above).

 

really is there more to say?

Clearly OP has some kind of social anxiety over being a part of girls night out.

If after 4 months his GF should know this. Yet she essentially tricked op into the exact type of situation he has requested she not put him in.

 

what a wonderful person.

Yeap, she's a keeper.

[serial muse]

I'll just leave this here.

 

From the OP.

 

 

really is there more to say?

Clearly OP has some kind of social anxiety over being a part of girls night out.

If after 4 months his GF should know this. Yet she essentially tricked op into the exact type of situation he has requested she not put him in.

 

what a wonderful person.

Yeap, she's a keeper.

 

a) I don't think it's at all obvious that anybody tricked anybody, or that there was nefarious intent at all.

b) As I wrote above, I think it's probably worth noting that social anxiety isn't the only thing going on here.

c) Seeing as she has apparently not placed him in this situation before, I don't see why his GF would be aware of his particular severe reaction to it, no matter how long they've been dating. He is clearly not interested in appearing vulnerable to her, and I doubt, based on what he's said, that he has presented it to her as a case of "social anxiety". It's what we've been urging him to do, but...well, read his other posts.

d) And...on that note, honestly...if my partner pulled away every time I tried to touch him, four months would start to seem like a very long time indeed. Yikes and double yikes.

[phineas]

a) I don't think it's at all obvious that anybody tricked anybody, or that there was nefarious intent at all.

b) As I wrote above, I think it's probably worth noting that social anxiety isn't the only thing going on here.

c) Seeing as she has apparently not placed him in this situation before, I don't see why his GF would be aware of his particular severe reaction to it, no matter how long they've been dating. He is clearly not interested in appearing vulnerable to her, and I doubt, based on what he's said, that he has presented it to her as a case of "social anxiety". It's what we've been urging him to do, but...well, read his other posts.

d) And...on that note, honestly...if my partner pulled away every time I tried to touch him, four months would start to seem like a very long time indeed. Yikes and double yikes.

 

Ya know what?

I quoted the OP where he said he requests to all his women that they don't do this.

 

And yet the above part of your post I bolded clearly shows you either didn't read the OP & the part of the OP I posted or you did & just don't want to acknowledge it for whatever reason I can't fathom other than you don't want to be wrong.

[serial muse]

Ya know what?

I quoted the OP where he said he requests to all his women that they don't do this.

 

And yet the above part of your post I bolded clearly shows you either didn't read the OP & the part of the OP I posted or you did & just don't want to acknowledge it for whatever reason I can't fathom other than you don't want to be wrong.

 

Um, OK, chill out, this isn't even your relationship at stake. Why get personal with me?

 

I certainly have read the OP; I think perhaps the issue is that you didn't very carefully read my post...and perhaps not much of the rest of the thread as well. If you had, you would've read that I noted that while he told her he doesn't like to be in a situation with all women, he doesn't seem to have conveyed that as a severe anxiety-producing situation for him, so much as "I'd rather not". As I said several times already, I think there's a big difference there.

 

Furthermore, as I have also said several times, it's not at all clear that she did it on purpose. People are very quick to assume the worst, it seems. Wonder why.

[Shepp]

Poor analogy.

Coach doesn't lie to a football player or trick him into playing in the rain.

Not unless he keeps him totally in the dark about what is going to happen.

You know, like OP's GF did.

 

I think the work tricked implies a sinister current that I'm just not getting from OP's posts about the event.

 

 

Sometimes a you don't know when it's going to start raining, it comes out of nowhere, and that's a situation spouse have to be ready for.

 

In fact I think that's an analogy that could carry to most elements of life, you can't shut yourself in A box where you control the enviroment and nothing ever catches you off gaurd, life just doesn't work like that, you have to roll with the punches or you'll just keep getting knocked back to the start line and get nowhere!

 

I'm claustrophobic, but I don't avoid small spaces - its impractical and when you eventually end up in one it will throw you more, I just have to deal with them.

It's like trees ain't it, if they don't bend , thery'll break!

[phineas]

Um, OK, chill out, this isn't even your relationship at stake. Why get personal with me?

 

I certainly have read the OP; I think perhaps the issue is that you didn't very carefully read my post...and perhaps not much of the rest of the thread as well. If you had, you would've read that I noted that while he told her he doesn't like to be in a situation with all women, he doesn't seem to have conveyed that as a severe anxiety-producing situation for him, so much as "I'd rather not". As I said several times already, I think there's a big difference there.

 

Furthermore, as I have also said several times, it's not at all clear that she did it on purpose. People are very quick to assume the worst, it seems. Wonder why.

 

I saw most people ganging up on the OP and telling him he was blowing it out of proportion.

 

So either OP is a total mental case or he's did convey it to her because this is a serious issue for him because he seems extremely agitated by the whole situation.

[ForeverHopeful1]

I think youre overreacting

[phineas]

I think the work tricked implies a sinister current that I'm just not getting from OP's posts about the event.

 

 

Sometimes a you don't know when it's going to start raining, it comes out of nowhere, and that's a situation spouse have to be ready for.

 

In fact I think that's an analogy that could carry to most elements of life, you can't shut yourself in A box where you control the enviroment and nothing ever catches you off gaurd, life just doesn't work like that, you have to roll with the punches or you'll just keep getting knocked back to the start line and get nowhere!

 

I'm claustrophobic, but I don't avoid small spaces - its impractical and when you eventually end up in one it will throw you more, I just have to deal with them.

It's like trees ain't it, if they don't bend , thery'll break!

 

So magicians who perform tricks are sinister?

OMG he's going to pull a rabbit out of his hat. someone call the police.

 

I think that's the first time i've seen the word "sinister" on these forums. LOL!

 

 

The proper analogy is you being claustrophobic, thinking you were walking into a room and actually led into a closet small enough to cause you discomfort by someone who knew you were claustrophobic.

Not a full on panic attack but more of a "see, it isn't so bad" while you start to hyperventilate.

Edited November 1, 2013 by phineas

[Keenly]

This thread severely lacks objectivity.

[phineas]

This thread severely lacks objectivity.

 

True.

But the people here are at least intelligent & can at least post complete thoughts as opposed to those that inhabit the political forums I usually troll.

[Tree_Salmon]

The OP might have downplayed his anxiety about crowds of women and she assumed he would just get into the flow when he was there no matter what.

 

I was once with a girl who was quiet as a mouse when my buddies were out with us. By the 4th hangout she started opening up. I didn't "trick" her into liking my friends. I just got her to open up. I wanted her there with people who made me happy. She saw sides of me she normally wouldn't see. She carried that on in her own life afterward.

 

I get that people don't like being placed in uncomfortable situations. I completely get it. But to pull your foot away in anger, like a little child, is completely unnecessary.

 

Just talk to her. Tell her you felt like blowing your brains out and that you really don't want to be in that situation again.

 

To me it sounds completely ridiculous.

 

Has the OP's age been listed here at all?

I might have missed it but it could be relevant.

[xxoo]

Do you really believe she lied and put you in this situation on purpose? If so, you need to have that conversation directly, and maybe just break up.

 

More likely, she thought men would come, and they didn't. If the situation made you that uncomfortable, excuse yourself and your girlfriend for a moment, give her a kiss and tell her that you're sorry but you've got to get out of there. Tell her you're feeling panicky or whatever you're feeling. And then talk to her about it more when you see her next.

 

Part of this situation is on you. You stayed. You need to learn how to extricate yourself from an uncomfortable social situation gracefully, and communicate.

[serial muse]

Do you really believe she lied and put you in this situation on purpose? If so, you need to have that conversation directly, and maybe just break up.

 

More likely, she thought men would come, and they didn't.

 

=objectivity.

 

I mean, this exactly. This is what I have been saying.

 

I think that when perfect strangers assume the worst about someone's partner, with absolutely no other evidence that that person is a big jerk than their own unrelated pasts, that is simply not objective.

 

So yes, more objectivity would be desirable, I agree.

[phineas]

Do you really believe she lied and put you in this situation on purpose? If so, you need to have that conversation directly, and maybe just break up.

 

More likely, she thought men would come, and they didn't. If the situation made you that uncomfortable, excuse yourself and your girlfriend for a moment, give her a kiss and tell her that you're sorry but you've got to get out of there. Tell her you're feeling panicky or whatever you're feeling. And then talk to her about it more when you see her next.

 

Part of this situation is on you. You stayed. You need to learn how to extricate yourself from an uncomfortable social situation gracefully, and communicate.

 

=objectivity.

 

I mean, this exactly. This is what I have been saying.

 

I think that when perfect strangers assume the worst about someone's partner, with absolutely no other evidence that that person is a big jerk than their own unrelated pasts, that is simply not objective.

 

So yes, more objectivity would be desirable, I agree.

 

C'mon.

what are the chances that 4 couples were invited out for their friends birthday but all of the men decided to blow it off?

 

Really? In what world does that actually happen?

One?

Sure.

Maybe two.

But all four?

 

Really?

 

do I have to point out that the most logical answer is the men just were not invited?

[TheGuard13]

Never thought I'd see the day when there was a post where a man bemoaned being surrounded by women here...

[Janesays]

Who said all 4 of them even HAD boyfriends? Maybe "inviting the boyfriends" only meant inviting 2 or 3 dudes? One of which had to work and the other 2 ditched out because a game was on.

 

Man, my friend just had a birthday party for her kid and over half of the people who sent in written rsvp's saying they would come didn't show up. We're talking 7 people who confirmed IN WRITING they were coming and STILL no-showed for a CHILD'S birthday.

 

**** happens. It's LIFE.

[lollipopspot]

OP, I think you have 2 different strains of thought going on here...generally...

 

- One (minority) strain thinks that you're doing great, communicating clearly and maturely, and that your girlfriend is a manipulative, insensitive, liar. If I believed this then I'd say dump her. You don't need this woman in your life.

 

- The other (majority) strain thinks that there was possibly some communication lack, that the event wasn't intentional from the evidence that you've given, and that you'd best look at how you deal with displeasure (intentionally withholding, withdrawing) and (I think) what may ultimately be a relationship-destroying need to control. You haven't presented anything at all damning about this woman and you ought to try to communicate with her rather than freezing her out. This is what I think, and I also believe that if you want happy relationships in the future, you ought best to do some self-reflection.

 

You know yourself and how you want your life to turn out. Choose your interpretation.

[SJC2008]

C'mon.

what are the chances that 4 couples were invited out for their friends birthday but all of the men decided to blow it off?

 

Really? In what world does that actually happen?

One?

Sure.

Maybe two.

But all four?

 

Really?

 

do I have to point out that the most logical answer is the men just were not invited?

 

Oh don't start getting logical on me now lol. 0-4 and she didn't say he could invite a bud to vag games 13' so he wouldn't feel uncomfortable. You're forgetting one thing Phineas, he's a man. He's supposed to "own a room" and have "charisma". Women on this forum throw chaisma out so much as if everyone has it or something. Charisma is RARE outside of hollywood and it's not too common there. This thread is another example of how a woman can be insecure to the hilt and if a man is a granule less than a rock he's got "issues".

 

But it was her birthday! But does that mean he should be forced to be put in a situation where he's not comfortable? In an intimate relationship you should respect your partner and not 'force' them to do things. I can assure you OP that there are plenty of women who would of told you to invite a friend or had the BF's show up. Sure ther's a chance all 4 BF's flaked but come on now. His boundaries are his boundaries and if they're weak to yall that's your mo, I promise there's a woman out there that would be 100% ok with it.

 

My SA was once so bad, once on the first day of school I was late and I couldn't walk in! I said screw that! People that don't have SA can't understand how you couldn't walk into a class but I can assure there are people that don't have SA that can try to understand that that's how that person is and not judge.

 

If the OP is uncomfortable around groups of women who are we to judge him? Sure if he makes a thread saying 'How do I?...' go ahead, dive in.

Edited November 1, 2013 by SJC2008
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[serial muse]

Oh don't start getting logical on me now lol. 0-4 and she didn't say he could invite a bud to vag games 13' so he wouldn't feel uncomfortable. You're forgetting one thing Phineas, he's a man. He's supposed to "own a room" and have "charisma". Women on this forum throw chaisma out so much as if everyone has it or something. Charisma is RARE outside of hollywood and it's not too common there. This thread is another example of how a woman can be insecure to the hilt and if a man is a granule less than a rock he's got "issues".

 

But it was her birthday! But does that mean he should be forced to be put in a situation where he's not comfortable? In an intimate relationship you should respect your partner and not 'force' them to do things. I can assure you OP that there are plenty of women who would of told you to invite a friend or had the BF's show up. Sure ther's a chance all 4 BF's flaked but come on now. His boundaries are his boundaries and if they're weak to yall that's your mo, I promise there's a woman out there that would be 100% ok with it.

 

My SA was once so bad, once on the first day of school I was late and I couldn't walk in! I said screw that! People that don't have SA can't understand how you couldn't walk into a class but I can assure there are people that don't have SA that can try to understand that that's how that person is and not judge.

 

If the OP is uncomfortable around groups of women who are we to judge him? Sure if he makes a thread saying 'How do I?...' go ahead, dive in.

 

Well, that isn't a bit related to what the women on this thread have been saying the last few pages, but it probably felt good to get it off your chest. Moving on.

 

C'mon.

what are the chances that 4 couples were invited out for their friends birthday but all of the men decided to blow it off?

 

Really? In what world does that actually happen?

One?

Sure.

Maybe two.

But all four?

 

Really?

 

do I have to point out that the most logical answer is the men just were not invited?

 

Well, let's face it, the OP never gave a headcount in the first place. We have no idea who was invited, who was expected, who bailed, who even had boyfriends/husbands. So how do we total strangers know how many didn't show?

 

Ugh, enough already, this is getting so stupid. There's just assumption and anger and projection after projection, and I honestly don't know what all of you are hoping to gain here. A Pyrrhic victory for a guy in an otherwise good relationship? Fine, encourage him to see her as a liar and a bytch based on some guesses and residual fears and projections. Is this meant to help someone have a happy life somehow? Or just an opportunistic way to berate some random women you'll never meet who disagree with you? What's the greater good here?

 

All of y'all arguing about logic and objectivity don't seem eager to adhere to those ideals much. I'm honestly done with this thread; I cede the salted-earth field to the angry. Good luck to you, Fondue. I suspect you'll need it, if you continue to play games with affection. But I urge you to consider opening up a bit more and letting go of the reins a bit.

Edited November 1, 2013 by serial muse

[Els]

This thread severely lacks objectivity.

 

I know, right?

 

Move along, folks. I don't see the point in trying to save someone from himself, especially when he's eagerly clinging to those who are trying to drown him instead...

[gaius]

Oh don't start getting logical on me now lol. 0-4 and she didn't say he could invite a bud to vag games 13' so he wouldn't feel uncomfortable. You're forgetting one thing Phineas, he's a man. He's supposed to "own a room" and have "charisma". Women on this forum throw chaisma out so much as if everyone has it or something. Charisma is RARE outside of hollywood and it's not too common there. This thread is another example of how a woman can be insecure to the hilt and if a man is a granule less than a rock he's got "issues".

 

My SA was once so bad, once on the first day of school I was late and I couldn't walk in! I said screw that! People that don't have SA can't understand how you couldn't walk into a class but I can assure there are people that don't have SA that can try to understand that that's how that person is and not judge.

 

If the OP is uncomfortable around groups of women who are we to judge him? Sure if he makes a thread saying 'How do I?...' go ahead, dive in.

I get and understand the thing about social anxiety, but it is possible to develop coping skills for stuff like that if you put enough time and effort in. Look, I would love a world where everyone could just be themselves and be accepted for who they are, flaws and all but it's just not the world we live in. If you want to be a successful man you generally have to be able to work a crowd of your girlfriends friends. Not to the point where they all go home with soaked panties after meeting you but at least think you're an ok guy and not a weirdo.

 

If the women didn't care they would just patronize fondue, tell him he's great the way he is while never actually wanting to sex him themselves. I see that crap all the time from women and it seriously makes me ill. The women in my family are like that. Does nothing but create crippled men. I've supervised women before and it's astounding how big of a factor social dynamics plays in attraction. I hope fondue gets over the scalding of all the honesty pointed in his direction and makes some changes for the better. So that instead of being totally turned off his gf would be blowing him right now for impressing her friends.

[Shepp]

I think that's the first time i've seen the word "sinister" on these forums. LOL!

well there you go - Alfie brings the vocabulary to the table!!

 

The proper analogy is you being claustrophobic, thinking you were walking into a room and actually led into a closet small enough to cause you discomfort by someone who knew you were claustrophobic.

Not a full on panic attack but more of a "see, it isn't so bad" while you start to hyperventilate.

Okay, fair, let's run with that then -

The closest I can think of is my gf about 2yrs ago, before she was my gf, going through a car wash.

Now I don't like car washes cause I like to avoid being closed in mechanically like in elevators and car washes are kind of like big elevators.

She told me that this one didn't shut behind you..but It but did! I remember being like 'you told me this didn't this that' & her like 'I didn't think it did'.

And I remember her leaning over and grabbing my hand and scrunching up her noes and being like 'sorry Alf'...and I couldnt of even pretended to be mad at her because:

- she was utterly gorgeous and I was head over heels

- she just didn't understand, she's not claustrophobic and unless you are you don't get why it's a big deal

- and because there was no one else I wanted holding my hand of I was gonna have to be shut in an oversized elevator!

 

But I could of been, I could of pulled my arm away, told her she'd sinisterly tricked me, the trust was gone and whatever else - and imagining that, all the stuff we'd never of done together, the gf who wouldn't be cooking me some breakfast right now, the two little boys about to come into the world who wouldn't call me dad.......imagining that is scarier than any elevator!!

 

I just think you need to pick your battles, sometimes it's better to have the girl than be 'right'.

[SJC2008]

If you want to be a successful man you generally have to be able to work a crowd of your girlfriends friends.

Lame, that's the equivalent of saying if a woman has to be successful with men she has to own a room... I don't care.

 

One of the main areas I struggle with women is small talk. I'm capable of it but I'm not the greatest at it, mostly because I find it boaring. Women can yak about anything but I find small talk boaring and it probably shows because I'm the 'wear your heart on your sleeve type'. One NYE I was at a bar sitting on a couch on the patio and a woman came up to me and sat down by me and talked her head off forte last hour until it closed. She was very attractive and I got her number but she lived too far away. I get along with guys better because guys joke around more and I have things in common with them.

[Fondue]

Hi everyone. I again, sincerely thank you all for reading and replying.

 

I appreciate all the opinions/input I received the past couple of days. Truthfully, I am still not fully over it. And I haven't really brought it up yet either. But I have been more affectionate to my girlfriend in the past 24hours.

 

While I try to put it to rest in my head, I read this thread and the replies, I can't help but get angry at her again.

 

Like many of you have pointed out, I did not act like a "man" that night because I didn't "take control" of the situation.

 

Many of you tried to investigate whether or not the men were even invited, or wanted a head count of the situation. It was me, my gf, and her four girlfriends. The girlfriends, as far as I understand, all have boyfriends of their own. I cannot confirm whether or not the boyfriends themselves were specifically invited and asked to attend, but I cannot also deny it. I simply don't know. All she told me was that the couples were to be present, or expected to be. I DO know for a fact that one of the boyfriends was told to be sitting at home, chillin' with a roommate, cooking up a pumpkin pie for the girlfriend when she is to arrive back home. I don't know if this tells me that he simply didn't want to come, or was never invited. Who knows? It might also be an interesting fact to know that my girlfriend is quite introverted. She definitely wasn't the most boisterous/talkative and leading the conversation. As much as I've known her, she was also always pretty quiet in social situations. So I think part of my awkwardness that arose from this situation is because she didn't help in any way. Does that make sense?

 

While I appreciate the input from the men here who have gfs and telling me how easily they are able to handle things simply because they "love" them, I cannot relate to you guys. I'm sorry. I am only seeing this women for about 4.5months. I cannot safely say I care "that much" about this woman. I do like her plenty, but if we decide to break up for a stupid reason, I probably wouldn't be too beat up about it.

 

Also, many of you are making me seem like a complete and utter social mute. I'm not. I'm also not afraid of women in general. I do quite well with women. You might have read my thread a few months ago about going on crazy amounts of dates with many different females. All of which seemed to really enjoy my company, and many of which I ended up having sexual connection.

 

Most of you are concerned with why I haven't spoken to her about it yet. I guess this is where I am simply afraid. That's the only way I can put it. One poster seemed to analyze me to be a solo person, preferring to keep people at arm's length. This is more or less very true. Or at least, I have been for a long, long time. I only recently starting to change that. It is a difficult process. So while I kind of want to approach teh subject, I have ALWAYS dealt with things alone. And I can't force myself to change that yet. It might be very beneficial to talk about it, but I haven't "manned" up there yet.

I also feel like she probably understands why I was upset.

 

The following is a synopsis of what happened the past two days:

 

I had picked her up Wednesday afternoon for a driving lesson. The entire trip the empty parking lot I was taking her to was quiet. Not a word was set, beside "how was your day" upon entry into my car. Her and I answered that question and that was that. I had let her drive my car around for 2hours, outside of my commands and teaching her, we didn't talk. Once I said the lesson was done (it was super dark out), I had told her that I'll take her home now, at this point she sadly and quietly said, "you don't want to hang out..?" I honestly didn't know if I did, but her sadness made me consider otherwise. She was to be clearly hurt if I said no. So I told her that I don't have any ideas on what to do, but if we think of something, we can chill. Her idea was to cook together at my place. The rest of the car ride was awkward, but she immediately clinged onto me and rested her head on my chest when we exited the car. I was slightly calmed by this, but I was still upset. The rest of the night was pretty cordial and without much excitement, but she did end up staying the night-- I had not at all pushed for intimacy/sex, but she was still cuddling up to me. Fortunately, no sex was to be had. I really didn't want sex to cloud my judgement. Which was good, because I'm fairly convinced she was on her period anyway. The following morning she woke up with me and asked me what was wrong. I avoided the question, made her tea, politely chatted, and left for work. I came home early, she was still around, we hung out, cuddled on my bed, but still didn't push it any more than that at all. At this point, I was quite comfortable and happy again. I was almost as affectionate as I always am, she seemed very pleased. She wanted to spend the night, we cuddled again, she "accidentally" touched my penis twice, but I held back myself, didn't push for sexytime, and passed out. She wakes up for work earlier than I, had gotten her morning routine done, woke me up with a bunch of kisses and was ready to leave for work. I had decided to walk her to the subway, she was really happy about that. She passionately kissed me a bunch before running to the train. That was the last I've heard of her for the remainder of the day.. Until literally a minute as I was typing the sentence of her running to the train, LOL. She just texted me about something random and goofy.

 

So I think she's happy with me, but we still haven't discussed this. To be honest, I was happy, too. But periodically throughout the two days, I kept reading this thread and the replies. I couldn't help myself but get angry every time. People's honesty about the situation is fueling my animosity. This sucks. I feel less of a man now. Maybe the one poster who said I'm not ready is right.

 

Again, I really appreciate all your help, guys/gals. All of you have been nothing short of helpful. I appreciate reading my thread and my long replies. Thank you.