Game Over Before it Even Started.

[Rich34]

Game Over Before it Even Started.

 

I wanted to say to all the young blokes that are moaning and whinging about not being able to get a girlfriend, you think you have it bad??

 

I am 48, never been married and have never been able to attract a woman under any circumstances.

 

This is because of one simple fact. I am not good looking.

 

After Thirty Years of trying to fix myself up it's it time to quit this battle and concede defeat. It does not matter if you are a "Decent Guy" or any of that stuff... It's all about what you look like. Money helps, but if you are not somehow sexually attractive, you are going to spend your entire life single, and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

I don't blame the girls. I am ugly, yet I am not attracted to ugly girls! I am only attracted to good looking women with great legs, great body and a pretty face!

 

This is a one way ticket, how can I expect a good looking girl to be interested in a butt ugly dude when she has 647485950505958474636363 other better looking dudes to pick and choose from? To dispose of and replace whenever it suites her?

 

It's all about natural selection and reproduction. Each of is pre programmed from birth to seek out good genes for reproduction. if you choose a partner with bad genes, then your offspring is also going to have these bad genes, not good.

 

Good genes are found in the good looking! The physically attractive! Sure, the bloke may be a bastard and not nice in every other way, but if he is good looking, the girls will dig him. Same with the girls, she may be a complete bitch, but if she is horny, then the dudes will go for her and put up with her crap because she is horny and great in the sack!

 

Guys there really is no mystery to all this. The people who get left on the dating shelf are the substandard looking ones.

 

It really is that simple.

[Mascara]

If your theory was correct, then all of the ugly genes would have died out long ago.

[TigerCub]

If your theory was correct, then all of the ugly genes would have died out long ago.

 

Good point.

 

And from my female friends - it seems like the hot ones are the ones that are single and still dating, and the heavier more plain looking ones are the ones that are married - why is that? Don't guys want attractive girls to mix good genes with?

[TB Rhine]

People are genetically programmed to seek out healthy mates for reproduction, but women are *also* programmed to seek out good providers. This is why they are attracted to "alpha male" characteristics, which once upon a time were economically advantageous (though not so much anymore). Women continue to be instinctively drawn to these traits, which is why they continue to propagate.

 

There have also always been less than attractive people, however, which is why the "ugly genes" haven't died out... eventually all the attractive specimens pair off, leaving the less attractive ones to make due with each other. Hence both types of genes continue to propagate into the next generation.

 

In modern times, men need no longer be especially attractive, nor especially aggressive or alpha-like, to be good providers, which is why looks don't matter as much as they once did, at least on the female side. If they lack good looks or alpha characteristics, however, men do need to be VERY successful, and capable of maintaining a woman in the manner to which she feels entitled.

 

Put bluntly, an ugly millionaire is never going to have a hard time getting laid; what we have these days, however, is a bunch of middlingly successful guys - middle class, middle management types and the like - who are also not especially good looking, aggressive, or "manly." They have nothing to offer the opposite sex beyond basic companionship and a middlingly comfortable lifestyle - nothing of extravagance, in other words - which is why they have no hope of attracting a woman significantly better-looking than they are.

 

Basically, I think men are programmed to seek out the most physically attractive partner possible, but they are *also* programmed (more by social factors than evolutionary ones) to mainly hunt within their own social strata. So you have average or substandard men constantly seeking out relationships with above average-looking women, who also happen to be of equal or greater social standing than they are. (And if they are of similar socioeconomic standing but significantly more attractive, they are automatically of higher social standing overall). And guys, you either need a LOT more money or a lot more raw sexual charisma to land that sort of bait.

 

Ugly as it is - if you want a partner who is significantly more attractive than you are, you need to either be hugely successful, or seek out mates in lower social strata, to whom the lifestyle you ARE capable of providing would seem luxuriant compared to what they are accustomed to. That basically means poaching hot single moms from the ghetto, for those sitting in back of the class. Even a single and unencumbered girl from Crime Alley is going to have too many options to give a schlubby guy with a nice apartment, who happens to be an assistant manager at Walmart, the time of day. The mamasitas, on the other hand, have mouths to feed, would most likely consider your apartment to be a step up from the rat-infested tenement where they currently live, and may just get wise enough to realize they don't really have time to wait for Prince Charming to come along.

 

Bon apetit, guys.

[Rich34]

Well said TB Rhine.

 

See, none of it is about love, it's all a business transaction. Human beings use each other for what they can get from the other. To satisfy one's own needs.

 

"I will go out with you because you are tall, rich and handsome & in return I will look good on your arm and let you **** me."

 

If you are not good looking and / or rich then you have nowt to offer!

 

Pretty much sums it all up.

[hudson701]

People are genetically programmed to seek out healthy mates for reproduction, but women are *also* programmed to seek out good providers. This is why they are attracted to "alpha male" characteristics, which once upon a time were economically advantageous (though not so much anymore). Women continue to be instinctively drawn to these traits, which is why they continue to propagate.

 

There have also always been less than attractive people, however, which is why the "ugly genes" haven't died out... eventually all the attractive specimens pair off, leaving the less attractive ones to make due with each other. Hence both types of genes continue to propagate into the next generation.

 

In modern times, men need no longer be especially attractive, nor especially aggressive or alpha-like, to be good providers, which is why looks don't matter as much as they once did, at least on the female side. If they lack good looks or alpha characteristics, however, men do need to be VERY successful, and capable of maintaining a woman in the manner to which she feels entitled.

 

Put bluntly, an ugly millionaire is never going to have a hard time getting laid; what we have these days, however, is a bunch of middlingly successful guys - middle class, middle management types and the like - who are also not especially good looking, aggressive, or "manly." They have nothing to offer the opposite sex beyond basic companionship and a middlingly comfortable lifestyle - nothing of extravagance, in other words - which is why they have no hope of attracting a woman significantly better-looking than they are.

 

Basically, I think men are programmed to seek out the most physically attractive partner possible, but they are *also* programmed (more by social factors than evolutionary ones) to mainly hunt within their own social strata. So you have average or substandard men constantly seeking out relationships with above average-looking women, who also happen to be of equal or greater social standing than they are. (And if they are of similar socioeconomic standing but significantly more attractive, they are automatically of higher social standing overall). And guys, you either need a LOT more money or a lot more raw sexual charisma to land that sort of bait.

 

Ugly as it is - if you want a partner who is significantly more attractive than you are, you need to either be hugely successful, or seek out mates in lower social strata, to whom the lifestyle you ARE capable of providing would seem luxuriant compared to what they are accustomed to. That basically means poaching hot single moms from the ghetto, for those sitting in back of the class. Even a single and unencumbered girl from Crime Alley is going to have too many options to give a schlubby guy with a nice apartment, who happens to be an assistant manager at Walmart, the time of day. The mamasitas, on the other hand, have mouths to feed, would most likely consider your apartment to be a step up from the rat-infested tenement where they currently live, and may just get wise enough to realize they don't really have time to wait for Prince Charming to come along.

 

Bon apetit, guys.

 

Very insightful- bang on the mark. Women are just as shallow as men when it comes to looks and social standing. It's harsh, but it's the rules of the world. Time to get back in shape so I'm more attractive to females

[todreaminblue]

i am often surprised at the guys who have been interested in me, and dated me, they have all been good looking......the ones i have liked and do like, i consider to be good looking where others have said to me deb what do you see....and i tell them, and then they see what i see.....

 

i dsont knwo if i consider myself ugly i dont think i am beautiful or pretty i think i have soemthing...undefined...could be just sex appeal.not such a good thing....

 

 

.used to escort they had model quality women where i worked and then there was me.......i would often end up hiding out so management couldnt find me...because it was me who got a lot of work.....i didnt really want it.....

 

 

so i think if you have something it doesnt have to be looks an di think its a cop out actually......beauty is in the eye of the beholder..... what one woman doesnt like you can bet there is a woman who will like what you have.......looks arent everything.......i am proof of that......i turn down dates , and i have had guys say...do you think you are all that ..you a frigid bitch..you arent even pretty ...and i say thanks mate still dont want to date you...it can be in the way you move the way you walk that will catch soemones eye...that could be it with me...i give up what does it matter..i give up tryign to know why when i go out not only guys but peopel coem up and talk to me.......people like what they like seek out what they want..maybe its a kindred spirit they see...or an easy target.......and the rest is unknown..........deb

[deathandtaxes]

Dude, you ****ing reek of insecurity. No woman in her right mind would want to talk to you. They'll get the biggest pity party in the first few minutes and be permanently turned off.

 

Quit punching above your weight.

[charlietheginger]

I think the OP is right on the money. my next door neighbor is a big fat ugly guy.

he never married every so often around 2 3 am i see a car pull up in his driveway

a young beautiful women gets out. I went around the backside of my place

i watched her dance strip down infront of him wiggle her boobies in his face.

 

I sighed a little and walked back inside thinking to myself wow

how miserable that must be at the same time i thought wow she

was pretty hot ..

[azureorb]

If your theory was correct, then all of the ugly genes would have died out long ago.

 

Not so fast. Ugly people can still like ugly people. He admits he doesn't like ugly women. If ugly people only liked good looking people, like the OP, then the ugly population would have slowly died off by now.

 

To the OP (original poster):

 

You're going too far, and are vague. How beautiful? Examples? And what do you look like? Okay, I bet you're kind of ugly. Fine. But assuming you're not handicapped, you can work out and get in great shape. Yes, even at 48.

 

With some strategy, time, effort, and 100% willingness to get shot down, after you get in ripped shape (give it 2 years and supplements if you're not big & fat; if so, give it an extra year) -- your complaint will be that it takes too much effort compared to others, that's all.

 

And if your face is beaten up so bad that walking into a grocery store gets weird looks from others, you can save money up to have your face enhanced. Bad teeth? Same thing. Costs money, yes...

 

.... but I'd rather be living in a modest apartment for 10 years with a modest used car with Great teeth and a 5/10 face

 

.... than living in a Nice House for 10 years with a sweet car with bad teeth and a 2/10 face

 

You can save up thousands over some years as you work out (which also takes time) to get your looks enhanced where body work won't cover.

[TB Rhine]

Looks matter a hell of a lot more now than they used to. Back in the day, people got married because of convenience/financial sense. Nowadays, women pick the men they are most attracted to in most cases.

 

I disagree... I think there are still plenty of gold-diggers out there, women looking to marry outside of/above their social station. Hot, unattached women have their choice of the very most successful guys, if they want to do this, but single moms, somewhat less attractive (but still hot) chicks and the like have to compromise. An unattractive guy who can offer a woman several rungs above him on the attractiveness ladder a suitably comfortable lifestyle still has a shot; she may try to divorce him for some good-looking deadbeat somewhere down the line (preferably after having a couple kids with him, just to make sure he's good and financially tied down), but he can at least get some action, long as he's willing to pay for it.

 

Plus you have the fact that, even in our supposedly enlightened, egalitarian age, gender roles where dating is concerned haven't really progressed all that much. I think a lot more women are still looking to be "taken care of" in the traditional sense than society at large thinks.