Demonizing the wife

October 8, 2013

It seems that this entire thread has turned into one long justification of why it's o.k. for a man who is afraid of divorce to cheat!

There are times when marriage is hard, and yes divorce is even harder. I think adults should know what they are getting into and if they make grown up decisions such as the one to wed, they should be adult enough to end a marriage IF they are so miserable that cheating seems the only way out.

October 8, 2013

It seems that this entire thread has turned into one long justification of why it's o.k. for a man who is afraid of divorce to cheat!

There are times when marriage is hard, and yes divorce is even harder. I think adults should know what they are getting into and if they make grown up decisions such as the one to wed, they should be adult enough to end a marriage IF they are so miserable that cheating seems the only way out.

One would think adults would understand what M entails, and that they also know what D entails since we are all surrounded by it. But, its become increasingly clear to me that being an adult does not always equal being a grown up lol.

Hopefully, the current trend of marrying later will result in more grown up decisions around who to marry and what is involved to make it successful.

October 8, 2013

This was interesting too, and EXACTLY what my exMM was worried about - and why he was hesitant to put his children through a divorce. Sure, he could have just waited it out and not had any of his needs met emotionally or physically, but that's a sad life to live and I'm not sure most people would choose to do so. His choice seemed to be just that OR risk these statistics.

Did you know that:

43% of U.S. children live without their father (U.S. Bureau of the Census).
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and U.S. Bureau of the Census).
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes (U.S. Bureau of the Census).
85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes (Center for Disease Control).
80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26).
71% of pregnant teenagers lack a father (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services press release, March 26, 1999).
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools).
75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Rainbows for All God’s Children).
70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988).
85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Department of Corrections, 1992).
What’s more, 61% of all child abuse is committed by biological mothers (Department of Health and Human Services Report on Nationwide Child Abuse).

way to cherry pick your statistics.

how many of these homes without a father are the result of divorce, and how many are single parents who were never married to begin with? how many of these children never knew their father, had zero contact with him, live in poverty or poor social conditions?

If divorce is involved, in how many cases was the divorce contentious, was the father a "deadbeat dad" by his own choice?

If you are going to provide statistics, please find ones that show the results of a child being raised by divorced parents where the father is a loving figure. There are lots of men out there who are divorced form the mother but are doing a great job of being a dad, and their children are doing well.

October 8, 2013

One would think adults would understand what M entails, and that they also know what D entails since we are all surrounded by it. But, its become increasingly clear to me that being an adult does not always equal being a grown up lol.

Hopefully, the current trend of marrying later will result in more grown up decisions around who to marry and what is involved to make it successful.

For this I would agree.,..Or do like I have been saying...Every 5 years you get the opportunity to bail out without much fanfare...One thing I have found quite interesting is that women today are all about equality and their independence.....except when it comes to a divorce...then they immedaitely become the dopey, ignorant and pregnant and barefoot housewife with no options...

I got married at 23...I am considered by most to be a highly intelligent human being(at least Id like to think so), skipped two grades in school, obtained an advanced science based higher education and owned and maintained several high tech businesses, but I am not that haughty to think I knew shyt about marriage and all its implications at that age..I didnt...I knew almost nothing about her..She had nice tits, so I signed the papers.

TFY

October 8, 2013

For this I would agree.,..Or do like I have been saying...Every 5 years you get the opportunity to bail out without much fanfare...One thing I have found quite interesting is that women today are all about equality and their independence.....except when it comes to a divorce...then they immedaitely become the dopey, ignorant and pregnant and barefoot housewife with no options...

I got married at 23...I am considered by most to be a highly intelligent human being(at least Id like to think so), skipped two grades in school, obtained an advanced science based higher education and owned and maintained several high tech businesses, but I am not that haughty to think I knew shyt about marriage and all its implications at that age..I didnt...I knew almost nothing about her..She had nice tits, so I signed the papers.

TFY

How would a marriage renewal clause really be any different from divorce? In the case of a couple having children and assets, those matters would still have to be handled accordingly so isn't it just a way of evaluating the state of the marriage every 5 years rather than one of making a split easier?

Also, I have been thinking for years that people REALLY shouldn't marry before age 30. So I totally see where you are coming from there.

October 8, 2013

And I disagree with this. I think there are assumptions made that by the virtue of having a vagina you are a better parental figure as it is more "maternal" has grown this belief that one parent's better. And so the courts have followed suit. I think the times are showing that everyone is starting to look at this differently and the norm is now joint custody unlike a few decades ago where it would have been full custody for the mother. It is also factoring in that more mothers work outside the house which is changing the landscape.

This is very true when it comes to how the law handles things. It should not surprise anyone that women get primary custody over men in divorces/separations. Women have been socialized to be the primary caregivers for children over centuries and centuries. That kind of thing does not change easily when it plays such a large role in how society operates. It has not even been a century since women were given the right to vote in America. The Equal Rights Amendment was never ratified at the federal level and, and as a result, women and men are still not seen as equal under the law in many states.

To expect this type of social change when it comes to how divorce is handles to occur so quickly is absurd, because there are so many other situations where the law has not caught up. It is unfortunate that some men today who obviously had nothing to do with the oppression of women are suffering as a result, but it is the natural consequence of how men have treated women in the past.

Of course, this is not the case everywhere. In Saudi Arabia, under Sharia law, all a man has to do to get a divorce is say "I divorce you" to her three times and legally register the divorce. If a woman wants a divorce, she has to go before the court and request a judge for one. She can, of course, be denied that request and be forced to remain married.

While I understand their concerns, I can't help but feel annoyed when men complain about the hand they were dealt when it comes to divorce because it shows a complete lack of social awareness. The household was the only place where women had any power in the past, and the only people women had authority over were their children--not by any choice of their own. To expect that to just change all of a sudden because, for once, the law does not benefit their gender is laughable.

So, while I agree that men are indeed disadvantaged when it comes to divorce, I think the time they should worry about all that is before they willingly contribute to the destruction of their marriage by having an affair... otherwise the might just end up with a divorce or joint custody whether they want it or not. The inequalities men face should be a motivation for them to work on the marriage, not something to complain about after they have broken their marriage vows and have to face the consequences of their actions.

October 8, 2013

How would a marriage renewal clause really be any different from divorce? In the case of a couple having children and assets, those matters would still have to be handled accordingly so isn't it just a way of evaluating the state of the marriage every 5 years rather than one of making a split easier?

Also, I have been thinking for years that people REALLY shouldn't marry before age 30. So I totally see where you are coming from there.

I think it would make folks that might be "on the fence" about the current state of their marriages re-evaluate how they might orchestrate their lives. I wont say its a cure-all...But with the colossal failure rate of marriages and the devastating implications for many, a different approach is certainly worthy of some consideration.

TFY

October 8, 2013

This is very true when it comes to how the law handles things. It should not surprise anyone that women get primary custody over men in divorces/separations. Women have been socialized to be the primary caregivers for children over centuries and centuries. That kind of thing does not change easily when it plays such a large role in how society operates. It has not even been a century since women were given the right to vote in America. The Equal Rights Amendment was never ratified at the federal level and, and as a result, women and men are still not seen as equal under the law in many states.

To expect this type of social change when it comes to how divorce is handles to occur so quickly is absurd, because there are so many other situations where the law has not caught up. It is unfortunate that some men today who obviously had nothing to do with the oppression of women are suffering as a result, but it is the natural consequence of how men have treated women in the past.

Of course, this is not the case everywhere. In Saudi Arabia, under Sharia law, all a man has to do to get a divorce is say "I divorce you" to her three times and legally register the divorce. If a woman wants a divorce, she has to go before the court and request a judge for one. She can, of course, be denied that request and be forced to remain married.

While I understand their concerns, I can't help but feel annoyed when men complain about the hand they were dealt when it comes to divorce because it shows a complete lack of social awareness. The household was the only place where women had any power in the past, and the only people women had authority over were their children--not by any choice of their own. To expect that to just change all of a sudden because, for once, the law does not benefit their gender is laughable.

So, while I agree that men are indeed disadvantaged when it comes to divorce, I think the time they should worry about all that is before they willingly contribute to the destruction of their marriage by having an affair... otherwise the might just end up with a divorce or joint custody whether they want it or not. The inequalities men face should be a motivation for them to work on the marriage, not something to complain about after they have broken their marriage vows and have to face the consequences of their actions.

This is well worded, but many men really dont want to be married to their current spouse, its just that the consequences are so devastating(and you actually agree in your post)-quite frankly they are left not knowing what the hell to do..

So, in fact, most of the time they arent contributing to the "destruction of the marriage"..Its already dead, its just that their feet are stuck in cement from the implications of impending divorce..

Does that give a free pass to go and have an affair? No, of course it doesnt.

TFY

October 8, 2013

The purpose of alimony is to avoid any UNFAIR economic consequences of a divorce, even after property is divided and child support awarded. Yeah, I am sure most husband say it is unfair the THEM.

That’s is why it is handled by the legal system.

For example, suppose two individuals who married in 1985 agree in 1995 to divorce. At the time of the divorce, the husband earns $63,000 a year, after seven years at a large company where the top pay for his specialty is $80,000. When the couple married, he was in graduate school and the wife was earning $22,000. The wife worked for three more years, supporting the husband while he completed his coursework and graduated.

When their first child was born, they agreed that the wife would care for the child at home. At the time of divorce, the wife had been working full-time for one year since the couple's children had entered school. She was earning $23,000 a year and would have custody.

A judge in this case would probably award child support and would divide marital property equally between the couple. But it might not seem fair to the judge to allow the husband to leave the marriage with the sole possession of the couple's most valuable asset—his earning potential—when the wife contributed to his education by supporting him.

Unlike the family's home or station wagon, the husband's earning power has not yet reached its full value. It seems especially unfair for the wife not to receive a share of it since after helping the husband attain his education she agreed to forfeit her earning power to invest time in the family. The several years she spent out of the workforce continue to handicap her earnings. Alimony is the only means available to the court to avoid a potentially unjust division of assets.

Alimony is not awarded as a punishment, especially in states that have adopted no-fault divorce laws—that is, laws providing that neither spouse has to prove wrongdoing on the part of the other.

Yeah and women are sued for alimony too, state laws specifying the gender of the paying spouse and of the receiving spouse have been ruled unconstitutional. I totally agree with that. Yup, there are men who use women for money too.

Each state legislature sets its own policy regarding whether and when alimony may be awarded. Then again it could be the luck of what judge you get and if he had a fight with his W that day.

The Uniform Marriage and Divorce Act, which many states use as a model, recommends that courts consider the following factors: the financial condition of the person requesting alimony; the time the recipient would need for education or job training; the standard of living the couple had during the marriage; the length of the marriage; the age, physical condition, and emotional state of the person requesting alimony; and the ability of the other person to support the recipient and still support himself or herself. Alimony usually ends when the recipient remarries. Rightfully so I think. This is where you guy friend probably got the amount he pays calculated from.

Despite the modern alimony laws in the all 50 states, lawmakers in some jurisdictions continued to propose legislation that would abolish it. In 1999 several Iowa legislators proposed a bill to abolish alimony, arguing that alimony laws provide incentive to get divorced. The bill never passed.

Years ago, alimony was not adopted in the court to punish a husband; it had its roots in protecting the vulnerable spouse, the Wife. Could it be abused, most certainly, but I don’t believe the courts routinely abuse it. Not now days. Divorce is a business transaction in the legal system.

Permanent alimony is quite common around here...I guy I know still writes his ex a check...he got divorced in 1968! And yes, she bangs him for increases whenever she can.

Did he have a long term marriage? Did his wife work the whole time? Obviously she did not remarry? At what age did they divorce? Did he remarry?

Yeah, that’s life,alright.

October 8, 2013

This is very true when it comes to how the law handles things. It should not surprise anyone that women get primary custody over men in divorces/separations. Women have been socialized to be the primary caregivers for children over centuries and centuries. That kind of thing does not change easily when it plays such a large role in how society operates. It has not even been a century since women were given the right to vote in America. The Equal Rights Amendment was never ratified at the federal level and, and as a result, women and men are still not seen as equal under the law in many states.

To expect this type of social change when it comes to how divorce is handles to occur so quickly is absurd, because there are so many other situations where the law has not caught up. It is unfortunate that some men today who obviously had nothing to do with the oppression of women are suffering as a result, but it is the natural consequence of how men have treated women in the past.

Of course, this is not the case everywhere. In Saudi Arabia, under Sharia law, all a man has to do to get a divorce is say "I divorce you" to her three times and legally register the divorce. If a woman wants a divorce, she has to go before the court and request a judge for one. She can, of course, be denied that request and be forced to remain married.

While I understand their concerns, I can't help but feel annoyed when men complain about the hand they were dealt when it comes to divorce because it shows a complete lack of social awareness. The household was the only place where women had any power in the past, and the only people women had authority over were their children--not by any choice of their own. To expect that to just change all of a sudden because, for once, the law does not benefit their gender is laughable.

So, while I agree that men are indeed disadvantaged when it comes to divorce, I think the time they should worry about all that is before they willingly contribute to the destruction of their marriage by having an affair... otherwise the might just end up with a divorce or joint custody whether they want it or not. The inequalities men face should be a motivation for them to work on the marriage, not something to complain about after they have broken their marriage vows and have to face the consequences of their actions.

To bring this back to the main topic, demonizing the BW is just another example of how we are still, in many ways, rooted in the past decisions of society. OW often talk about the things the BW does wrong in her marriage. It is still the wife's responsibility for not meeting her husband's needs and she, of course, holds him back from leaving because she can't live without him/needs him to financially support her/keeps him chained up in the living room and whatnot. She, of course, uses the kids against him so he can't leave because that is the only thing she control over, never mind that she makes more money than him or, when faced with the thought of losing her, he runs back to her with his tail in between his legs. It's as though she uses the children he chose to have with her and raise together as chains that bind him to her. What a bitch!

She should be doing everything she can to please her man and make him want to stay. And she has the nerve to be all motherly and nag him like he's a child when he's off spending the marital funds that could be used to improve their life at home on the OW. God forbid he be fiscally responsible and put the money towards his family.

And don't get me started on the sex. As a woman, she is obligated to have sex with him whenever he wants. If she doesn't want to meet his sexual needs, she's suddenly a "roommate" and not an equal partner anymore. Despite the fact that she comes home exhausted from being with the kids/work every day, her #1 priority should be looking her best and not letting herself go. Of course, her worthiness as a partner always comes down to the sex, as well. She will never be as desirable as the ~sexually liberated~ OW who is willing to always look her best and bang like rabbits in the backseat of the car.

Why do APs never talk about the things he does to contribute to the destruction of the marriage, other than having an affair. Y'know, like the fact that he never makes her orgasm and can't last more than two minutes? Why should she put any effort into making him happy when he doesn't do the same for her? He spends all day at work, "stays late" (re: bangs the OW) while she's picking up the kids from soccer practice and feeding them dinner... And people have the nerve to suggest she get more time with the kids than him in the divorce? Or suggest that maybe he should, y'know pull up his pants, go home and play board games with the kids or help them with their homework?

What's up with that? She has every right to have her flaws dissected and her motives and actions questioned. She's holding your MM hostage with some antiquated paper that oppresses women and treats them as property. Oh, and all your assumptions that she knows about the affair but says nothing because she ~can't live without him~ are true. As a wife, she is completely dependent on the slices of bread he gives for survival..while the independent OW who finds happiness in breadcrumbs and MM is sitting at the dinner table with, like, two whole loaves of bread and maybe even a couple of dinner roles.

To be fair, I could easily attribute many of the things BW say about the OW to sexism as well... But that's not the point of this thread.

Women = she-devils who, when they can no longer keep a man around with their sexual desirability, keep him tied down with the promises of responsibility he made.

October 8, 2013

To bring this back to the main topic, demonizing the BW is just another example of how we are still, in many ways, rooted in the past decisions of society. OW often talk about the things the BW does wrong in her marriage. It is still the wife's responsibility for not meeting her husband's needs and she, of course, holds him back from leaving because she can't live without him/needs him to financially support her/keeps him chained up in the living room and whatnot. She, of course, uses the kids against him so he can't leave because that is the only thing she control over, never mind that she makes more money than him or, when faced with the thought of losing her, he runs back to her with his tail in between his legs. It's as though she uses the children he chose to have with her and raise together as chains that bind him to her. What a bitch!

She should be doing everything she can to please her man and make him want to stay. And she has the nerve to be all motherly and nag him like he's a child when he's off spending the marital funds that could be used to improve their life at home on the OW. God forbid he be fiscally responsible and put the money towards his family.

And don't get me started on the sex. As a woman, she is obligated to have sex with him whenever he wants. If she doesn't want to meet his sexual needs, she's suddenly a "roommate" and not an equal partner anymore. Despite the fact that she comes home exhausted from being with the kids/work every day, her #1 priority should be looking her best and not letting herself go. Of course, her worthiness as a partner always comes down to the sex, as well. She will never be as desirable as the ~sexually liberated~ OW who is willing to always look her best and bang like rabbits in the backseat of the car.

Why do APs never talk about the things he does to contribute to the destruction of the marriage, other than having an affair. Y'know, like the fact that he never makes her orgasm and can't last more than two minutes? Why should she put any effort into making him happy when he doesn't do the same for her? He spends all day at work, "stays late" (re: bangs the OW) while she's picking up the kids from soccer practice and feeding them dinner... And people have the nerve to suggest she get more time with the kids than him in the divorce? Or suggest that maybe he should, y'know pull up his pants, go home and play board games with the kids or help them with their homework?

What's up with that? She has every right to have her flaws dissected and her motives and actions questioned. She's holding your MM hostage with some antiquated paper that oppresses women and treats them as property. Oh, and all your assumptions that she knows about the affair but says nothing because she ~can't live without him~ are true. As a wife, she is completely dependent on the slices of bread he gives for survival..while the independent OW who finds happiness in breadcrumbs and MM is sitting at the dinner table with, like, two whole loaves of bread and maybe even a couple of dinner roles.

To be fair, I could easily attribute many of the things BW say about the OW to sexism as well... But that's not the point of this thread.

Women = she-devils who, when they can no longer keep a man around with their sexual desirability, keep him tied down with the promises of responsibility he made.

Also, when OW demonize the BS for not doing what she was supposed to do to "keep her man", she is also setting a trap for herself. She is saying that she is solely responsible for the MMs happiness in the relationship, and if he becomes unhappy, it is HER fault and that it is ook for him to go out and get another woman to make him happy.

October 8, 2013

Then again it could be the luck of what judge you get and if he had a fight with his W that day.

I should have said:

Then again it could be the luck of what judge you get and if he or SHE had a fight with his or HER spouse that day. Lots of female judges these day.

And I have been informed that female judges are no more likely to award alimony to a female spouse than a male judge. They use the criteria for each individual case just as the legal guidelines specify and they are bound to be impartial in their job.

October 8, 2013

To bring this back to the main topic, demonizing the BW is just another example of how we are still, in many ways, rooted in the past decisions of society. OW often talk about the things the BW does wrong in her marriage. It is still the wife's responsibility for not meeting her husband's needs and she, of course, holds him back from leaving because she can't live without him/needs him to financially support her/keeps him chained up in the living room and whatnot. She, of course, uses the kids against him so he can't leave because that is the only thing she control over, never mind that she makes more money than him or, when faced with the thought of losing her, he runs back to her with his tail in between his legs. It's as though she uses the children he chose to have with her and raise together as chains that bind him to her. What a bitch!

She should be doing everything she can to please her man and make him want to stay. And she has the nerve to be all motherly and nag him like he's a child when he's off spending the marital funds that could be used to improve their life at home on the OW. God forbid he be fiscally responsible and put the money towards his family.

And don't get me started on the sex. As a woman, she is obligated to have sex with him whenever he wants. If she doesn't want to meet his sexual needs, she's suddenly a "roommate" and not an equal partner anymore. Despite the fact that she comes home exhausted from being with the kids/work every day, her #1 priority should be looking her best and not letting herself go. Of course, her worthiness as a partner always comes down to the sex, as well. She will never be as desirable as the ~sexually liberated~ OW who is willing to always look her best and bang like rabbits in the backseat of the car.

Why do APs never talk about the things he does to contribute to the destruction of the marriage, other than having an affair. Y'know, like the fact that he never makes her orgasm and can't last more than two minutes? Why should she put any effort into making him happy when he doesn't do the same for her? He spends all day at work, "stays late" (re: bangs the OW) while she's picking up the kids from soccer practice and feeding them dinner... And people have the nerve to suggest she get more time with the kids than him in the divorce? Or suggest that maybe he should, y'know pull up his pants, go home and play board games with the kids or help them with their homework?

What's up with that? She has every right to have her flaws dissected and her motives and actions questioned. She's holding your MM hostage with some antiquated paper that oppresses women and treats them as property. Oh, and all your assumptions that she knows about the affair but says nothing because she ~can't live without him~ are true. As a wife, she is completely dependent on the slices of bread he gives for survival..while the independent OW who finds happiness in breadcrumbs and MM is sitting at the dinner table with, like, two whole loaves of bread and maybe even a couple of dinner roles.

To be fair, I could easily attribute many of the things BW say about the OW to sexism as well... But that's not the point of this thread.

Women = she-devils who, when they can no longer keep a man around with their sexual desirability, keep him tied down with the promises of responsibility he made.

^THIS should be a sticky post. Thank you! You made my entire day

October 8, 2013

This is well worded, but many men really dont want to be married to their current spouse, its just that the consequences are so devastating(and you actually agree in your post)-quite frankly they are left not knowing what the hell to do..

So, in fact, most of the time they arent contributing to the "destruction of the marriage"..Its already dead, its just that their feet are stuck in cement from the implications of impending divorce..

Does that give a free pass to go and have an affair? No, of course it doesnt.

TFY

But, in the end, they are the ones making the choice. They have the power. The BW is forced to remain married to a man who, is she knew what he was doing, would probably not want to be married to either.

Instead, he actually makes the divorce situation for himself by having an affair, when he could have made the whole situation better for everyone by leaving on more amicable terms than emotional/physical betrayal.

It makes no sense.

October 8, 2013

.....except when it comes to a divorce...then they immedaitely become the dopey, ignorant and pregnant and barefoot housewife with no options...

Dang, that's pretty harsh.

More women than men are graduating from college these days.

According to the Census Bureau, 685,000 men and 916,000 women graduated from college in 2009 (the latest year for which statistics have been published). That means 25 percent fewer men received college degrees than women.

In every year since 1985, according to the Census Bureau, women have outnumbered men in graduating from college, with women dramatically expanding their advantage over men in receiving college diplomas to the 25 percent advantage they achieved in 2009. , President Obama said Title IX helped America ensure what he called “equal education.”

I am sure there are women who act like that . . then they immedaitely become the dopey, ignorant and pregnant and barefoot housewife with no options . . .but not as many as in the past. They can't, they have a degree, lol.

Edited October 8, 2013 by Ruffian1

October 8, 2013

then they immedaitely become the dopey, ignorant and pregnant and barefoot housewife with no options

Actually, some husband, especially in male dominated cultures PREFER them dopey, ignorant pregnant, barefoot and with no options.

Just ask Malala Yousafzai.

Not funny, ironic maybe.

Yeah it's a control thing.

October 8, 2013

One thing I have found quite interesting is that women today are all about equality and their independence.....except when it comes to a divorce...then they immedaitely become the dopey, ignorant and pregnant and barefoot housewife with no options...

Just like so many men in the past never cared about gender inequality because it benefitted them. Now that they have decided they want to play a part in raising the kids instead of leaving them at home with the pregnant and barefoot wife, they start complaining about how unfair things are

^THIS should be a sticky post. Thank you! You made my entire day

Haha, thanks! A few typos, but I'm on my phone at work... so whatev

That and it looks like some people just like to argue for no reason other than they just like to argue.

I have to admit I am one of those people. I don't deny it

Also, when OW demonize the BS for not doing what she was supposed to do to "keep her man", she is also setting a trap for herself. She is saying that she is solely responsible for the MMs happiness in the relationship, and if he becomes unhappy, it is HER fault and that it is ook for him to go out and get another woman to make him happy.

I know, right? It's almost as if cheating isn't the product of character flaws but rather bad situations. After all, psychologically healthy people place their happiness in the hands of other people. My psychologist tells me I need to do that all the time

October 8, 2013

Dang, that's pretty harsh.

More women than men are graduating from college these days.
According to the Census Bureau, 685,000 men and 916,000 women graduated from college in 2009 (the latest year for which statistics have been published). That means 25 percent fewer men received college degrees than women.

In every year since 1985, according to the Census Bureau, women have outnumbered men in graduating from college, with women dramatically expanding their advantage over men in receiving college diplomas to the 25 percent advantage they achieved in 2009. , President Obama said Title IX helped America ensure what he called “equal education.”

I am sure there are women who act like that . . then they immedaitely become the dopey, ignorant and pregnant and barefoot housewife with no options . . .but not as many as in the past. They can't, they have a degree, lol.

The truth is harsh at times...

Some spouses deliberately keep themselves out of higher paying jobs so they dont get the support/alimony reduced. Happens every day.

There's a saying in sports...Stats are for losers...

TFY

October 8, 2013

Just like so many men in the past never cared about gender inequality because it benefitted them. Now that they have decided they want to play a part in raising the kids instead of leaving them at home with the pregnant and barefoot wife, they start complaining about how unfair things are

Haha, thanks! A few typos, but I'm on my phone at work... so whatev

I have to admit I am one of those people. I don't deny it

I know, right? It's almost as if cheating isn't the product of character flaws but rather bad situations. After all, psychologically healthy people place their happiness in the hands of other people. My psychologist tells me I need to do that all the time

Ive said it before and Ill say it again..If I ever had the opportunity to be a SAHD and a woman wanted to break her ass for me 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week so I can be home, Id have absolutely no problem with it...The house will always be clean, Ill do all home maintenance and repair and cook meals better than Emeril Lagasse....... I wont gain a hundred pounds lying my fat and lazy ass around and complaining that "I only have two hands"...

TFY

October 8, 2013

The truth is harsh at times...

Some spouses deliberately keep themselves out of higher paying jobs so they dont get the support/alimony reduced. Happens every day.

There's a saying in sports...Stats are for losers...

TFY

I'm glad you said spouses because I have heard of the situation reversed as well.

October 8, 2013

There's a saying in sports...Stats are for losers...

Yeah, I understand what you mean by that. Especially in a team sport. All my kids played sports in HS and college. Great thing, it encourages discipline and team work along with academics.

But completing college is not a foot ball game, or soccer, etc.

It is not about how many assists, goals, foul shots, etc a team member made. Athletes and their team members have good days/seasons and bad days/ seasons.

It's pretty cut and dry:

How many males got the diploma

How many females got the diploma.

October 8, 2013

How many males got the diploma
How many females got the diploma.

It's a cause for concern in Higher Education, which is still grappling with how to achieve a gender balance.

On topic: demonizing the wife is wrong. If you're doing it, knock it off. Thanks.

October 8, 2013

I wont gain a hundred pounds lying my fat and lazy ass around and complaining that "I only have two hands"...

:laugh::laugh:

October 8, 2013

You are right Gorilla.

Totally off topic.

I apologize for my part in that, will refrain from now on.

Best wishes to OP.

October 8, 2013

You are right Gorilla.

Totally off topic.

I apologize for my part in that, will refrain from now on.

Best wishes to OP.

I just added that last part as a CYA to try to stay out of hot water. I'm not an LS cop, more of an LS perp.

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