Lying about your age to improve your odds?

[sickpuppy]

Improve your odds for what exactly? Certainly not for developing a relationship with someone, since your real age will come out soon enough, and the fact that you lied about it will torpedo the potential relationship, if not the age factor itself. It might improve your odds for getting a few dates out of the person you are trying to dupe before they find out the truth, but do you really want to manipulate someone into dating you by deceiving them? You're going to look pretty pathetic and manipulative when the truth comes out, and it will eventually, likely sooner than later.

 

 

I didn't say I'd ever do that. Just looking to see if others would or have.

[RedRobin]

Why do I think they wouldn't? Because my age lowers my value in their eyes. Working two jobs, dressing better than mostly everyone in the second job, having a brand new car, looking young, staying in shape, hardly any gray hair, being a cool dude, having done way more than most (not just hanging out) like literally always going new places etc. doesn't mean much if the crowd and how THEY the women would look and be talked about would make them appear. I understand that.

 

Thing is if I were some Godly looking dude and all the other chicks were lining up...the younger ones would THEN see "Value" in me. It would be like a good social status thing for them. I know damn well these same women who run off at the mention of age wouldn't give a rats arse if I looked like and had the STATUS of a David Beckham. They'd literally be fighting to be the next in line. So I don't buy the nonsense of "Oh he's too old". The same ones who "help" each other would stab each other in the back if they saw some "value" they could get for themselves.

 

Just tonight I was out with my friend..Two girls..about 27-28 passed by us as we were standing outside..One looked directly in my eyes and smiled. They went in the place we were at...and came right out and walked right by us twice. I've had women on vacation or just going out come up to me and start talking. Mid twenties and up.

 

I think it's the job thing. They are scared of being talked about by their "friends" and peers who even if married want to be the ones to have the attention regardless.

 

Take a deep breath... take a look in the mirror.... and realize, my dear...

 

Your 20's are over. Your 30's are over. In 6 years, your 40's will be over. Time to accept that. Grieve for whatever you lost or you think you are losing and embrace the age you ARE. You CAN be an awesome 44 yr old... but you will never be in your 20's again no matter how many tricks you play on your mind or others to pretend you are.

 

Leaning on 20 somethings to make you feel better about yourself is no way to go forward. It isn't healthy for you or the women you chase.

[EasyHeart]

There's no point in lying.

 

If there is a big age gap, some women are going to care and some aren't. If she has a problem with it, I want to know that ASAP, not somewhere down the line after I've gotten attached to her.

[sickpuppy]

You should tell George Clooney that. I'm sure the guy can barely deal with the fact that's he's close on 60 and sleeping with 20-35 hot models. A guy shouldn't submit to what other people expect of him. My father worked his entire life, did what society expected of him, was a terrific husband and father and what did he get in return? A clock given by the company and an aging woman who was more trouble than what she was worth, but my father believes he did a noble thing.

 

Maybe - to the people who benefited from my father's White Knight Syndrome, but certainly not to me. I have no interest in doing what society wants. Society needs more marriages? Sure, legalize homosexual marriage, I'm all for that. Society wants children? Sorry, I enjoy having money in the bank.

 

Times are hard and women need a man to help them pay the bills? I can help you with that. I'll buy you a cupcake and you'll put out? No? Shame. I know a place with really good cupcakes.

 

Women want a partner? Well, I can cook, clean, wash, and there's free sex out there to be had if you know what you're doing. But thanks.

 

Will I insist in being with women around the age of 18-25 as I grow older? Yep. My father aged quite well. For a 55 year old man he looks much younger and he can draw quite the attention from women who are much younger, and hot. He doesn't engage his desires, but I sure as hell do. I'm a genetic copy(in height, looks, and build) of my father, I'll probably do good with the women.

 

I also inherited houses from my family, no rent to pay for, essentially, and I save up most of the money I make. I'm sure poor as dirt 20 year olds who can barely comb their hair and buy clothes that don't drop from their ass are going to compete with me, 20 years from now when I become a 40-something bachelor.

 

You hear that, boy? You're expected to be what women want you to be, not what you want to be, otherwise society and older women will think badly of you! Ponder on that! as a hot 22 year old is blowing your instrument on a saturday night! Sad, sad man!

 

 

I must've given the impression I'm only interested in 20 year olds t osome people. lol.

 

It's simply I do get attention from the later part of that age range and up. If I know the person and they seem interested I'll see from there. If not that's fine too.

 

Yet I'll be damned if I'm going to take some baggage laden chick "my age" with what I've got to offer simply because it's "All I should be able to get". Might as well white knight some chick who's "learned her lesson" at that point or date down as much as possible.

 

People need to try giving that advice to the rich, famous etc. they'd laugh at them. "No you really need to stick with this. Not that." lol

[Mascara]

Ponder on that! as a hot 22 year old is blowing your instrument on a saturday night! Sad, sad man!

 

Yeah. Except that's not happening for the OP. Someone else who has missed the point of what I and others are saying, which isn't "you shouldn't be banging them" but rather "ok, rather than lying because you say it's the only way you can get younger women, try women your own age to improve your dating prospects.

 

 

 

Yet I'll be damned if I'm going to take some baggage laden chick "my age" with what I've got to offer simply because it's "All I should be able to get"

 

Baggage? What baggage? I'm a few years younger than you, but still too old. I don't have baggage. I did in my 20s and 30s when I had young kids. But I'm free now, and solvent, have my own home and business. Your average 25 year old doesn't.

 

Do you want kids? That's something that hasn't come up yet.

[sickpuppy]

I know, bro. Don't worry about that. I know where you're getting at. I'm always shocked at how younger women with older men are looked at with crossed eyes(Unless the guy is a super Alpha male like Clooney, in that case older women are fuming because they wanted to be with him) but when older women, women old enough to be my mother are eating me with their eyes people say to suck it up and move on.

 

Yet, when a man has the looks/financial means to have hot women in their 20's whereas he's in his 40's and upwards, somehow he's trying to glue himself to his fading youth. He's insecure. He doesn't want to accept that he's no longer a 20 year old Brad Pitt with women genuinely attracted to him(height, muscles, facial looks and money are all the same: a sort of coin traded for sex, but never mind that every guy pays for sex).

 

Hell no. We simply enjoy tight vaginae, women who can get very aroused with just a little bit of touch, women who don't need artificial lube, women who look good dressed and undressed, and women who bang 5 times a day.

 

this type of man is claimed to be incapable of dealing with strong, independent women who respect themselves to not go after younger men(that's why I've banged hot 40 year old women, they've went past the 40 year old dentist and the 50 year old doctor because they didn't have enough emotional closeness with her, right?!) and that when an older man dates a young woman, he's exploiting her and using her for his own greedy reasons.

 

#1 Please do introduce me to younger women who wouldn't sleep with Roger Moore as he was aging into his 40's and 50's.

 

#2 Please do explain to me why the women who go to college are sexually attracted to the older men. I see the women 18-25 eat the 40 year old teacher with their eyes.

 

#3 Explain to me why 18-25 year old college students are dating the men who are in their late 20's, maybe it has something to do with not wanting to date boy-men who are still learning to put their pants on? Yeah, I mean those oversized pants created for street gangs members.

 

#4 Explain to me why women are smiten when they are introduced to a man who actually knows how to have a conversation? You know, trying to jump into a woman's pants might work when the guy is super uber good-looking, but most guys aren't like that, and they're going to be rejected a lot - young guys take a long time to learn how to act around women. They either get overly excited and mess it up, or they try to act macho for their friends and end up not banging anything.

 

#5 How are these younger guys going to take the woman out? They either have no money or they spend everything on pot. I'm a little confused. Older women assume young women are interested in sitting on a guy's couch while he plays GTAV and gets high instead of going out on a date?

 

And you are so right. Older women have mountains and mountains of drama. They've done abortions in their lifetime(what a great mom she'd make), took drugs, their looks are going out as fast as Detroit's $ is, they don't know how to bond to a man because they spent their lives being pumped and dump, they don't know how to be feminine(let me slap some make-up, wax my vagina and there ya go, I'm the 21th century Rachel Welsh).

 

They also expect you to date them for 6 months, realize that they are the love of your life and to hurry up to buy the ring, hand them your balls, your house, your income and eventually alimony and child-support, LOL.

 

''I've been with this guy for one year and he still hasn't mentioned marriage and children. All my girlfriends are having babies and I'm not getting any younger sitting here waiting for this chump who'll be good enough for me until I decide I'm bored and need a new guy to get on his knee and ask to marry my Std infected self.''

 

Don't forget about that attitude older women have. '' I want this and that, you have to act like this and that, and I'm going to back up my demands and expectations by offering a body that is no longer tight, a face that seems to have been run down by an elephant, and a womb that can't get pregnant even if Super-Man hammers me all day.''

 

Dude, you know what is even funny? I'm not insulting anyone, I'm expressing my opinions and my life experiences and in 2 days only I've already received 7 warnings, LOL. I'm strong and independent until I don't like what I'm reading, I'll call someone else to deal with that for me.

 

Can I assimilate that into my life as a man?

 

''Please, Mr. Policeman, that person didn't smile at me. Can you jail him/her for me?''

 

 

I know several older women my age and older whom I work with..And it's the same old same old...all looking for a younger stud or an older "gentleman" who also has money enough to take them places and out to dinner. LMAO. Some even had guys buy them groceries and gave them nothing in return! "Oh goody! Please let me date these types I'm only "able to get". LMAO. No thanks. I'll pass.

 

 

Yet these SAME people who give you their "well meaning advice" will do the complete opposite if given the chance. I've experienced far too much to fall for the "help".

 

No bitterness just truth here as I don't blame the younger girl who was initially interested but here's a fun fact in my situation. The SAME woman who's my age (44) who works at the same counter she does and told the 23 year old my real age as I have no reason to lie... "Helped" her from me the "creep" yet I've heard from a guy (himself) who's a known married player and around 63 going to play tennis with her...and she's married as well. I'm curious to see if she is even aware that guy she's going to play tennis with is a married player.

 

So me single at 44 had no business going out with a 23 year old but it's no problem for her a 44 year old married woman to go out with a 63 (or up) known married player.

 

You simply cannot make this sht up! lmao

[Mascara]

Why?.

 

Because. He's. Not. Getting. Dates. From. Younger. Women.

 

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

[sickpuppy]

Yeah. Except that's not happening for the OP. Someone else who has missed the point of what I and others are saying, which isn't "you shouldn't be banging them" but rather "ok, rather than lying because you say it's the only way you can get younger women, try women your own age to improve your dating prospects.

 

"Try women your own age to 'improve' your dating 'prospects'." Uhm. "Improve" it how so? Taking people with more negatives in life than positives? Just because I "should"? LOL.

[Mascara]

Just because I "should"? LOL.

 

Sigh. There is no "should". Nobody is saying you "should" change your preferences. People are trying to help you, but ok - die alone, I really don't care any more.

[sickpuppy]

Because. He's. Not. Getting. Dates. From. Younger. Women.

 

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

 

 

It's because of work. If it's outside of it. There's no problem. More of a social thing with the group atmosphere and how the woman sees the "value" of it in her social standing there.

 

I simply prefer to know a person and not run out looking to meet complete strangers. If they are younger (late twenties and up possibly fine.) It really depends on the person. But I'll be damed to be told I need to take what others think I should get.

 

I wouldn't tell anyone else that either.

[sickpuppy]

Sigh. There is no "should". Nobody is saying you "should" change your preferences. People are trying to help you, but ok - die alone, I really don't care any more.

 

 

Oh noes! I'm gonna DIE ALONE! Thats typical woman shaming. Maybe you've convinced some other older dudes with that who've let themselves go. Thing is I've already had long term relationships with women younger than me (some more than twelve years) and we got along fine. Thanks!

Edited September 27, 2013 by sickpuppy

[PlumPrincess]

You both not only have this nasty attitude towards women (of all ages: young women = sex objects, old women = ugly hag), but you also have a very scornful attitude towards younger men. As if being young and less affluent is a despicable crime.

 

I have two theories:

 

a) You were once men with no money who spent a lot of time running after the wrong girls (the shallow, but good-looking girls) instead of the nice, but maybe more average looking girls. As the years passed by, you turned into older bachelors with money who can now get the pretty, shallow girls, but deep down inside you do know though that these girls are just after your money and the superficial things, so you can not really respect them and therefore just treat them as objects whose sole purpose is to satisfy your physical needs.

 

b) You envy the young guys, who still have everything you don't have anymore - youth, dreams, hopes, passion, an unsoiled look on life and women. And you try to compete with them with your superior material wealth (accumulating money is often connected with advancing in age), hoping that more money will make women forget that you are not as young anymore as these guys are.

[sickpuppy]

You both not only have this nasty attitude towards women (of all ages: young women = sex objects, old women = ugly hag), but you also have a very scornful attitude towards younger men. As if being young and less affluent is a despicable crime.

 

I have two theories:

 

a) You were once men with no money who spent a lot of time running after the wrong girls (the shallow, but good-looking girls) instead of the nice, but maybe more average looking girls. As the years passed by, you turned into older bachelors with money who can now get the pretty, shallow girls, but deep down inside you do know though that these girls are just after your money and the superficial things, so you can not really respect them and therefore just treat them as objects whose sole purpose is to satisfy your physical needs.

 

b) You envy the young guys, who still have everything you don't have anymore - youth, dreams, hopes, passion, an unsoiled look on life and women. And you try to compete with them with your superior material wealth (accumulating money is often connected with advancing in age), hoping that more money will make women forget that you are not as young anymore as these guys are.

 

 

I can't speak for the other guy but in my case you are completely wrong. I'm not running around chasing after younger women. At all.

 

If THEY seem to be interested and are at least late twenties (28-29) and up I'll see if anything is there. This is after knowing them. If not that's fine too.

 

And no I was never the type to run around after the wrong women. And no again I don't envy younger dudes. I'm far ahead of them. Why? Because they "date" women their age? As if I should need some woman of any age to "complete" me?

 

I just don't buy any of the nonsense.

[PlumPrincess]

You completely miss the point. I'm in my 20's. I don't have a nasty attitude saved in my ''dark, tenebrous'' heart for women. I'm the product of a generation that is concerned more with what people think of them than in how people are treated. I'm a man of my time. There are legions of men like myself, most just don't have it in them to be honest about it. There are 3.5 Billion women out there, I don't really have anything to lose when I bring out the honest faucet and trickle away.

 

Ask men what they think about young women and older women as they drink beer and are in a safe enviroment where you don't get sued for looking at a woman, and they'll tell you things that'll make you wonder what is going to happen to Western civilization 50 years from now.

 

Hah, you really aren't aware of men's nature. We compete over anything. We go after things we don't want, but if the other guy is interested, we'll be all over it. I don't hate younger men. I'm a young man myself . I do have a distate over 18 year old males, but that's because I hate how they go about things. They are arrogant, don't learn from their mistakes and won't listen to their elders like I do. They have no ambition, no capacity to lead, expect older men to help them out in everything, and are only good at getting a sun tan.

 

Really, young men have passions? Damn, if you think passion consists in smoking pot all day, I feel bad for you. These guys don't want to do anything about life, and if you think they have a view on women that isn't 'soiled' like man, you're up for another surprise. Most of these guys don't pursue women, including the better looking young guys. They high-five eachother and try to provoke each other to approach x girl, but they are too chicken to go for it and look away as the women are living their physical prime and the guys don't have the balls to try to get some of that.

 

Add to that how easy it is for young men to watch porn, and you'll have a ton of women who'll either have to pursue men and women who can't figure out why she's almost showing breasts, her vagina, but guys won't approach.

Well, I'm baffled by your fury then. When I was in my twenties I didn't think that much about people above thirty. And you are upset about things that older women who agewise could be your mom do. The venom you're spreading here is worthy of a few decades of bitterness.

[sickpuppy]

Aren't we bothered by what people did thousands of years ago? Like how the Romans did away with the Jewish inssurections, in a barbaric manner? Why, then, wouldn't a young man be concerned with the treatment older men receive? I've seen how society treats men. I've seen it everyday on my father's face. I've seen men get shafted over anything. And I'm not going to be in my 20's forever. Someday I'll be in your shoes and I'll be discriminated due to my age. I'm pissed off. You can be sure of that. I'm not afraid of aging. I ressent how society treats men, that is all.

 

There's no time to waste worrying or resenting how society treats men. It will only age you faster, make you bitter, and you'll drive yourself insane over something you cannot control.

 

You simply learn from it and grow despite all the hypocritical nonsense.

[PlumPrincess]

Aren't we bothered by what people did thousands of years ago? Like how the Romans did away with the Jewish inssurections, in a barbaric manner? Why, then, wouldn't a young man be concerned with the treatment older men receive? I've seen how society treats men. I've seen it everyday on my father's face. I've seen men get shafted over anything. And I'm not going to be in my 20's forever. Someday I'll be in your shoes and I'll be discriminated due to my age. I'm pissed off. You can be sure of that. I'm not afraid of aging. I ressent how society treats men, that is all.

Discriminated due to your age? What are you talking about? Older people will face more discrimination due to their age, but if you compare the situation of men and women, men still have it easier. Somehow they have managed to spread the rumour that most women prefer older men. It's true to a certain extent, but I know a lot of women who prefer a man close to their age.

 

According to your posts, old men are great, while old women suck. And the media are the same, they try to convince us every day that older men are still hot studs, while older women are unattractive and should best become invisible. Actors like Clint Eastwood, Bruce Willis, Tommy Lee Jones, etc. can still play the romantic lead in movies with younger partners, but how often do you see the combination older woman and younger man? Most older actresses just disappear or become directors, because they get replaced by prettier, younger women.

 

So, what kind of injustice do men face when they get older?

 

There is passion for a just cause and there is ressentment and anger. And yours sounds like the latter.

[RedRobin]

You both not only have this nasty attitude towards women (of all ages: young women = sex objects, old women = ugly hag), but you also have a very scornful attitude towards younger men. As if being young and less affluent is a despicable crime.

 

I have two theories:

 

a) You were once men with no money who spent a lot of time running after the wrong girls (the shallow, but good-looking girls) instead of the nice, but maybe more average looking girls. As the years passed by, you turned into older bachelors with money who can now get the pretty, shallow girls, but deep down inside you do know though that these girls are just after your money and the superficial things, so you can not really respect them and therefore just treat them as objects whose sole purpose is to satisfy your physical needs.

 

b) You envy the young guys, who still have everything you don't have anymore - youth, dreams, hopes, passion, an unsoiled look on life and women. And you try to compete with them with your superior material wealth (accumulating money is often connected with advancing in age), hoping that more money will make women forget that you are not as young anymore as these guys are.

 

ditto. Few things are as unattractive or frankly, laughable, as a bitter man of any age trolling for youngsters and trying to convince the world he's 'hot' because he manages to snag a few.

 

Yea, keep telling yourself that guys.

[FitChick]

I just heard from a guy I was interested in a couple of years ago on the same dating website. He was 58 and now he is suddenly 54. I don't really care that he shaved a few years off. Irrelevant at that age and, besides, he has new photos so that is more important.

[brittneyfoster]

Lying about your age or anything early on in a relationship is NOT cool.

[felicity1]

This guy (that works in the supermarket) and I have a strong physical attraction for each other. We have been flirting for many months. I am a 30ish-looking 42 yo. When we got talking he was heavily flirting with me but when I mentioned my age he fled. I have had this happen to me on countless occasions and that was it for me. I am an honest sort, but won't be honest about my age anymore. It only serves as an obstacle to getting to know a guy. If a guy loves me for who I am then my age should not matter. I'm sure he will understand when he does find out.

[FitChick]

How much money someone makes has more of an impact on a relationship than their age. Yet it is considered rude to ask about income. It used to be considered rude to ask someone's age.

[soccerrprp]

This guy (that works in the supermarket) and I have a strong physical attraction for each other. We have been flirting for many months. I am a 30ish-looking 42 yo. When we got talking he was heavily flirting with me but when I mentioned my age he fled. I have had this happen to me on countless occasions and that was it for me. I am an honest sort, but won't be honest about my age anymore. It only serves as an obstacle to getting to know a guy. If a guy loves me for who I am then my age should not matter. I'm sure he will understand when he does find out.

 

felicity1,

 

There are PLENTY of men who would love to date you at 42. I answered in your other post regarding this, but now I wonder if YOU are ONLY interested in much younger men. If you ONLY focus on men who are 10+ years younger, please don't be surprised to find that they are not interested. If you are seeking men around your age (men in their 40s), you won't get rejected due to yours, right? (not nearly as often, anyway )

[felicity1]

I have several girlfriends who are in their 40s who are married/dating men who are 10+ years younger. None of them revealed their true age during their early dating.

Edited October 1, 2013 by felicity1

[FitChick]

Try one of the cougar dating websites.

[soccerrprp]

I have several girlfriends who are in their 40s who are married/dating men who are 10+ years younger. None of them revealed their true age during their early dating.

 

Wow. So, deception, lying and subterfuge does work and there are those willing to accept such....what have I been missing?