Red Wolverine Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 I've been around a while and have a lot of experience... I'm finding most women push for sex early on..I love sex and I am 100% male, so no biggie, but.... I'd NEVER dare say the type of stuff that women have said to me, despite barely knowing them. I might be thinking of it, but Id never act upon it. Most women that I talk to are more sexually charged early on and more open about it than I would be. I have all the desire in the world, but I am respectful enough to try to act in an appropriate manner under the circumstances....But, then they get annoyed and insecure if I am not ripping them apart after the first few hours of contact..They think you find them unattractive if you dont....*shrug* So, help us out here, ladies...What do you really want?? TFY We are close in age but I would never be aggressive the way you've described when I've just met a man. Maybe it's my traditional upbringing but I'd never speak or act in a sexual manner to a man in the early stages. It reeks of desperation and demonstrates zero class. To answer your question.... I want a man to be respectful, chivalrous, and honest. You can maintain those qualities and still express a genuine interest in continuing to get to know me. Quite frankly, a man being too aggressive, especially sexually, would turn me off. A couple compliments, eye contact, and an expressed interest in spending more time with me would tell me you were attracted.
BradJacobs Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Have you had any success with this method and what was the conversion rate. In my experience the conversion rates are high. If you're good in bed and date for sex, women will seek you out for relationships. It's one of those things that helps create options as opposed to being the timid sod trying to win her over emotionally before you rip off her panties. 1
Author Ryan R. Posted September 14, 2013 Author Posted September 14, 2013 Well, Ryan. R If you were going to hire an escort, I'd consider Europe first... and only in areas where it is regulated and legal. In those areas, it is much less likely you'd come across a woman who was trafficked into the business and who has regular health checks. Not sure how long you have to spend over there. It is kind of too bad you can't spend more time in a little different culture. I don't agree with the other poster about people in different cultures being more open sexually. I DO believe that some other cultures don't have a tradition of trashing women for their sexuality as much as happens here in the US, which creates a better environment overall. I'm going to be leaving on Monday for two weeks. That's the main reason I'm considering going to an escort over there. It's cheaper and its legal. It's pretty much do or die at this point. If I don't have sex then, who knows when it will happen.
L1ght Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) In my experience the conversion rates are high. If you're good in bed and date for sex, women will seek you out for relationships. It's one of those things that helps create options as opposed to being the timid sod trying to win her over emotionally before you rip off her panties. Totally agreed. Women are keen to see what we are like in bed and if we please them they always come back for more.......it makes me feel kinda sorry for the guys who try to win them over emotionally first when here I am bedding the ladies at the earliest opportunity I get. Women here commenting about not having early sex underestimate the ability of someone like me to be able to show the best sides of my personality, that I'm emotionally and intellectually compatible, sensitive and open minded all while I'm pursuing them sexually in the early parts of getting to know them. Its the way I've always operated with women and any woman who was a little hesitant at first I always won her over in the end and that's obviously because they came to the conclusion that actually I do have more to offer than just a quick lay. My advice for any guy who is struggling is to ignore the ladies here who say they wanna take it slow. Women like confident men and if you can be confident enough to show them the best aspects of your personality right from the start you will get them into bed very quickly. Just be nice to them and make sure they have a great time while they are with you....honestly the rest comes so easily and personally I have never had to wait as an adult as long as the women here would like you to believe they want you to wait. Belief and confidence in yourself is everything. Edited September 14, 2013 by L1ght
thefooloftheyear Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 We are close in age but I would never be aggressive the way you've described when I've just met a man. Maybe it's my traditional upbringing but I'd never speak or act in a sexual manner to a man in the early stages. It reeks of desperation and demonstrates zero class. To answer your question.... I want a man to be respectful, chivalrous, and honest. You can maintain those qualities and still express a genuine interest in continuing to get to know me. Quite frankly, a man being too aggressive, especially sexually, would turn me off. A couple compliments, eye contact, and an expressed interest in spending more time with me would tell me you were attracted. OK...That makes sense. Its to be expected... Its just that it seems that women will "sexually flirt" in a cute way, where if a man were to do it, then it would be considered predatory and creepy..It happens frequently. A woman friend of mine that is our age says its quite common at this age, as many women feel like sex is VITAL to keeping a man interested...*shrug* Ive run into situations where she'll go quiet and Ill ask whet the deal is?...She'll say something like, "Im a little surprised you havent made a move on me"?...(This might be only after a second contact-BTW)..."Am I too fat?..Do you not find me physically attractive"?... Im like.."WTF, I barely know you, dumbass"?? TFY
Red Wolverine Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 OK...That makes sense. Its to be expected... Its just that it seems that women will "sexually flirt" in a cute way, where if a man were to do it, then it would be considered predatory and creepy..It happens frequently. A woman friend of mine that is our age says its quite common at this age, as many women feel like sex is VITAL to keeping a man interested...*shrug* Ive run into situations where she'll go quiet and Ill ask whet the deal is?...She'll say something like, "Im a little surprised you havent made a move on me"?...(This might be only after a second contact-BTW)..."Am I too fat?..Do you not find me physically attractive"?... Im like.."WTF, I barely know you, dumbass"?? TFY Couple of points... Sex is important as a part of intimacy but rushing it would make things awkward. The building anticipation would make it more passionate anyway. I don't sexually flirt in the beginning of a relationship. I find intellectual interplay to be so much more fun and appropriate. A man who can make me laugh also goes a long way. Women who ask silly questions like you listed are insecure. I'm going to assume that's the bigger turnoff for you. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume these women probably dress in provocative clothing. Typically that means tight and short. That screams "look at me" but also increases their insecurity of how they look. I'll never understand that. There are good women out there. Ones who wear age appropriate clothing, depend on their intelligence, and demonstrate confidence. Those women won't feel the need to talk about sex in the beginning. 1
thefooloftheyear Posted September 15, 2013 Posted September 15, 2013 Couple of points... Sex is important as a part of intimacy but rushing it would make things awkward. The building anticipation would make it more passionate anyway. I don't sexually flirt in the beginning of a relationship. I find intellectual interplay to be so much more fun and appropriate. A man who can make me laugh also goes a long way. Women who ask silly questions like you listed are insecure. I'm going to assume that's the bigger turnoff for you. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume these women probably dress in provocative clothing. Typically that means tight and short. That screams "look at me" but also increases their insecurity of how they look. I'll never understand that. There are good women out there. Ones who wear age appropriate clothing, depend on their intelligence, and demonstrate confidence. Those women won't feel the need to talk about sex in the beginning. Good observation... I can be extremely witty when I want to, and despite my LS handle, I am actually quite intelligent as well(though admittedly some may argue to the contrary,)..The problem for me, is that because I am built like a gym rat, I wind up getting typecasted with the meathead "pick things up and put them down" types of guys...So, then I wind up attracting the aging J-Woww types that have bad boob jobs and little between the ears... Probably similar to a guys response to a woman with a huge rack..No matter what she has to offer in terms of intelligence or wit winds up falling on deaf ears..I wouldnt say that all of them were insecure, its just that they made a false assumption based on appearance.. Anyway, as to the point of sex early on...Ive always had an opinion that if a woman will "give it up"(or freely offer it) very early on, then she is likely to be someone who is inclined to do it for every swinging dick out there..Im not that pretentious to think "Im the one"..even if they tell me I am..I assume they are lying or just patronizing me..Its a huge turnoff and does reek of desperation...I agree with you 100%. Im not sure what manual they are reading, but if they think that a quality man is going to run for the hills because they arent being sexual early on, then they are going to be disappointed. The opposite is true as well..If a guy bolts very early on because he isnt getting sex, its because he isnt a quality guy, IMO or he just wasnt into the woman and might have been looking to get an easy lay and GTFO...Either way, its a bad deal... TFY
Author Ryan R. Posted September 15, 2013 Author Posted September 15, 2013 You need to decide whether you just want sex or if you want to have sex with someone you care about enough to be in a relationship with. They are not the same things. I know they are not the same things, but in my opinion if you can get sex, someone will find you sexually attractive enough to build a relationship with you. In my opinion, it is very easy to attain favorable personality traits. You just need a little work, that's all. It's not easy to be attractive to someone else, you're pretty much stuck with what you're born with. Anyway, I thank the people who responded constructively to my question. I leave on Monday and these next two weeks will pretty much define the rest of my life. It feels like time is being suspended. I don't see anything changing on the horizon, it will factor into my decision. Hopefully I'll make the right decision, whatever that may be. Auf Wiedersehen.
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