dnm1010 Posted December 5, 2004 Posted December 5, 2004 there are a lot of people who say they dont care if people judge them because they have a tatoo .. yet they complain about it...
LucreziaBorgia Posted December 5, 2004 Posted December 5, 2004 Originally posted by dnm1010 there are a lot of people who say they dont care if people judge them because they have a tatoo .. yet they complain about it...
dangler Posted December 6, 2004 Posted December 6, 2004 when i see someone with a tattoo, i think they are idiots. i think most people who do it live to regret it in later life. nothing looks as disgusting as an old wrinkled ass dust farter with gray tattoos. It is a fad for most people today---girls getting them on their backs, and like others say, they are usually cliche. In the real world, try getting a bunch of tattoos up your neck or somewhere where they cant be hidden by clothing, and then go get a wall street-type job---good luck. Yea, it may be discriminatory, but who would seek financial advice from some guy sitting across from you with jail house looking flames up his neck?? Its a decision that can affect a person more than they think, and there is no reason for a young person to arbitrarily add limitations upon themselves without great thought for the sake of a fad. When you see someone with a tattoo of an ex SO, then I think they are REAL idiots!!! I wouldnt hire someone with such a history of being that stupid!!! Just stick with "MOM" and its not as bad!!! Its irreversible without a lot of later pain and unneccessary expense. Mark my words, in about 15 years when all of the tattooed idiots are trying to hide them from their grandkids and hope they dont get one, if someone can come up with an easy way to wash them off, watch out Bill Gates!!! And BELIEVE me, i dont give a friggin rats ass what anyone on here thinks!!
clandestinidad Posted December 6, 2004 Posted December 6, 2004 Interesting opinions here. I'll just fit mine in here too, since everyone else has I got a tattoo about 4-5 years ago, and love it. I designed it with my artist, and its meaningful. I've been planning my next one for many months now, and it will go on another "secret place". Now about a few issues....First, its his/her own damn body that will get wrinkly and old, and who really gives a crap about their body when they're in that state anyway?!?! Having an old tattoo means that you've lived a life with a symbol on your body that meant SOMEthing to you at one point. Whether or not it was completely profound doesnt matter, the person still chose it for their own reason. Second, lets discuss this "cliche" issue that keeps coming up.....what about clothing that people wear?? Or hairstyles??? Arent those cliche as well?? Shall we all ask the cliche police if a tattoo is alright, while they wear certain clothes and wear their hair in ways that indicate what group they fit in?!?! COME ON!!! Everything is cliche!!!!! Third, what about someone's character?!? Having a tattoo and a piercing (extremely discreet) hasnt changed my good values/moral character!!! Its just something I wanted to do for myself and to myself, and that should be the end of it. My major issue seems to be with these people who judge other people's decisions about their own bodies, and act as if they are righteous and better people b/c they dont "follow the crowd"!!! PLEASE!!!! Next time you get dressed, or fix your hair, or go grocery shopping, or ANYthing else I think you should realize just how much we ALL follow SOME sort of crowd in society. Edit****I also wanted to add something about the comment about how someone w/ visible tattoo's cant get a "wall street" job.....Its a shame that seeing tattoos on someone might cost them a job b/c of a possible stigma about how people with tat's have low standards and character....mainly b/c of the fact that so many of these wealthy wall street men, their wives, teenage/adult children (as well as many other wealthy families w/ different careers) snort coke on a regular basis to maintain their standing in the posh society that THEY try to fit in...they're so cliche, huh. Its a good thing they dont give those jobs to people with tattoos...they're morals/values are just too low
LucreziaBorgia Posted December 6, 2004 Posted December 6, 2004 I dunno, the way I see it - people who overly concern themselves with the private decisions that another person makes with his/her body would have to have some deep seated issues themselves. I never understood why people go to such great lengths to impose their own values/aesthetics onto other people who don't share that value/aesthetic. Then you have those who take it a step further and insult anyone who doesn't think/act as they do. Live and let live, I say - and do unto others as you'd have them do to you. Unfortunately, we live in a world where hardly anyone lives by those creeds.
dangler Posted December 6, 2004 Posted December 6, 2004 no judgement here,, just opinion which is honest and steeped in reality. this is what i THINK when i see them, i dotn give a rats ass what you do with your body. please, feel free to drive a friigin rail road tie thru your forehead for all i care--and please do it soon --just dont ask me to like it or just accept it as being your personal choice. its mine and others not to hire you or to think what we will. Not once did i "force " my views on you---did i say that i want all the tattooed people rounded up and shot, or tattoooes outlawed?? NO. i love it when people bitch about "being themselves" and being rebels, etc., and then bitch when others might react because they dont share the same visions. if you want to spur a horse, then have balls enough to ride him when he bucks. this country was founded on tolerance, not acceptance. you have freedom of speech, but you are not entitled to an audience and i have the right not to listen. i dont think a lot of people realize that. you do something or act in some way that i dont like , then screw you, i dont have to deal with you or like you or hang with you. people dont like your face tattooes on wall street, open your own financial company to handle IRA's for bikers!! and good luck with that. you are all hypocrites in what you even say about your own tattooes. "mine are in discreet places, you cant see them and i am not immoral because i have them....et. al ad nauseum." If you are so proud of them, why not show them if you go thru the pain of getting them???? why not get a face flame or a middle finger on your forehead and be a real rebel?? you dont because you know in reality that i am right , as to the perceptions of most people in the real world and work place. it doesnt change your core values, but the PERCEPTION of many is that it does. so you must weigh the benefits vs. costs of this as to your position in the workplace and this society. thats why you would have different thoughts when your 16 year old wants them all over their arm and legs, and are in their "rebel" period, and you may then disagree as to design or amount ......and guess whose tattoos they will be pointing to??? Yours, grandma. you do things in life not only for yourself, but for those who come after. you are the pallet from which your children derive their colors of life, so the choice is yours in this area. you must carefully weigh these type of VOLUNTARY actions that can have an effect, however subtle and unnoticeable. as far as having issues, every one of you psuedo psychobabblers on here with the credentials of dr. phil, or his dog, or oprah's dog, always talks about people having "issues" when someone doesnt agree with with certain positions. the only "issue" is the opinion of the perceptions of someone putting a permanent mark on their body that many-not all- regret years after and the consequences in the real world of such actions. clothes , hair and such can be indicators of a persons leanings in life, and you judge then the same way you do WHEN YOU SEE THE TATTOOES!!!! come on, you are in a dark alley and see 5 guys coming down the street in Brooks Bros. suits and ties....what are your thoughts??? now you see 5 guys with skin heads and tattooes everywhere coming down the same alley.......oh, i guess everyone on here walking with their 6 year old and wife would think " the poor chemo victims, i hope they feel better", because no one on here would judge.. Now the brookes boys might have some indescreet one that dont show, but they are not "rebels" like the others. ........and come on---the wall street coke snorting crowd----gee, i guess all people with tattooes never do coke. where can i find a ex-biker with tattoooes to sit with the kids???? the initial poster about his girlfriend wanting to get a mark----you sound like she often does things without thinking of long term effects---thats normal for a country full of people with a short attention span and where long term means "after lunch." If she is making these kind of decisions now, she will do it in the future with no regard to logic or long term consequences. let her be a rebel on her own. some here say its a personal decision and will only effect her, so you must support her what ever she does. when does that support ever come back to you for your feelings in this?? when is it her turn to say, "i wont do it if it bothers you?", especially if you are in a long term relationship?? have to go shave my head now and put some vaseline on my new tattoo. later
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