Do women get enough information on how to sustain relationships?

[soccerrprp]

I take all that windup to mean "I disagree with OP." We, many men and women, including the 80% of women who do not identify as feminists, and 83% of women who don't want their daughters identifying as feminists (recent survey study), do in fact have an "inkling" of understanding of feminism, its impetus, and its immense, quantifiable, discriminatory, deleterious social costs and effects over decades. If people want to complain about it after 50 years of being shouted down, so be it. We won't be shouted down going forward.

 

 

 

Didn't happen, or demonstrate it in the context of how men were treated better or differently historically.

 

 

 

Feminism is a DIRECT result of the left trying to condition to socialist victimology and control a female voting bloc beginning in the 60s, nothing more.

 

 

 

Phrase contains all the semantic and historical credibility of terms such as "leprechaun," "jabberwock," and "basilisk." Or, rather, it's on you to demonstrate it actually means something. We are well past the point of accepting such made up terms wholesale without question.

 

 

 

Hopefully you will devote equal time to "warning" her not to buy into the feminist notion of women as lesser creatures in need of discriminatory protection, and that she should strive to become an accountable adult solely responsible for her own decisions, behavior and choices in life, a lover of equality and not of political tools of divisiveness towards solidifying a voting block for discriminatory ends.

 

To the topic, I actually disagree with OP on that the resources aren't out there. There is a multibillion dollar industry full of books and magazines offering relationship counsel to women. Where they don't consist of blameshifting all female issues to men via victimization, some of those sources can be quite valuable and useful for men to read as well. Basically, "victimhood bad, non victimhood maybe good" where the relationship publication industry is concerned.

 

More and more women are standing up and repudiating archaic privilege and victimhood every day. More and more will continue to do so. Those women will produce more healthy, well-adjusted babies in loving homes with men, and the other remainder can continue to produce generations of single parent "gov babies" to populate our overcrowded prisons and wail about how life didn't turn out to be the special snowflake existence they were promised by Mama and GovDad. Am pretty sure of who will win that evolutionary, sociohistoric battle, regardless of massive government and feminist efforts to the contrary.

 

Dude,

 

You are absolutely the kind of guy that my daughter will need to watch out for. You are dangerous ignorant of the full context of history. Your myopic view of that last 50 years and dismissal of the previous HUNDREDS is simply silly.

 

As I intimated earlier, I know there are some problems with the feminist movement, but that rears its head when gone to extremes. I don't know a woman that fits some of the extreme views that guys like you seem to meet far too often. I HAVE NOT MET THEM and I've lived in this country for 30-years.

 

Perhaps your denial has a lot to do with the fact that you have been fed the illusion that things were so much better "back then" then you know and it's convenient and more comfortable for you to accept that facade. Perhaps it does represent a time when men dictated when, why, how, what and that appeals to you...perhaps you need to find a new approach to dating.

 

MY experience is very different from yours. My understanding of the historical context of feminism, different.

 

But most of all, I am not bitter towards women. I have no reason to be.

[Woggle]

The extreme and elements of feminism which also happen to be the loudest are why there is such a backlash. Most women have men in their lives they care about and while they want to be treated as equals most don't embrace the kind of world the militant feminists want. They don't want that for their sons, brothers, husbands and other men they care about.

[nescafe1982]

I'm curious. What kind of "extreme" feminist ideas are you guys referring to, specifically? I'm not saying they don't exist (every movement has its wings), but I am sensing an illogical vagueness around exactly what you guys mean when you refer to extreme feminist ideas/agendas.

 

Also. It's problematic to blame the feminist movement (or even its ill-defined extremes) for the misogyny that other people exhibit. We are each responsible for our own actions and ideologies. Even the most rabid feminist cannot "make" you hate women or group them together in judgment... That's a decision.

[Woggle]

I'm curious. What kind of "extreme" feminist ideas are you guys referring to, specifically? I'm not saying they don't exist (every movement has its wings), but I am sensing an illogical vagueness around exactly what you guys mean when you refer to extreme feminist ideas/agendas.

 

Also. It's problematic to blame the feminist movement (or even its ill-defined extremes) for the misogyny that other people exhibit. We are each responsible for our own actions and ideologies. Even the most rabid feminist cannot "make" you hate women or group them together in judgment... That's a decision.

 

The belief that innocent men including young boys should be punished for the actions of other men even if they have never done anything wrong

 

The belief that fathers are nothing more than useless sperm donors.

 

The belief that all men are potential rapists

[Revolver]

OP is right on the whole "men need to step up" thing. Ive seen way more "where are the good men" type articles,threads, TV specials then the opposite.

[lino]

Can't say I give a sh*t about feminism and I'm not sure if it's the reason for it or not but women definitely lack the ability to take responsibility for their own actions.

 

I think this is because of the 'father and his little princess' thing that is very common.

I have no sisters but many female cousins and female friends and I've seen how they were treated by their parents, particularly the father. They virtually grow up in a 'you can do no wrong' cocoon.

 

When I was 18, if I was involved with the local drug dealer my dad would've booted me out of the house! When young girls do it? 'She made a mistake', 'he was a predator taking advantage of a delicate young girl'

 

There's always an excuse and it's swept under the rug.

[soccerrprp]

The extreme and elements of feminism which also happen to be the loudest are why there is such a backlash. Most women have men in their lives they care about and while they want to be treated as equals most don't embrace the kind of world the militant feminists want. They don't want that for their sons, brothers, husbands and other men they care about.

 

Woggle,

 

I just don't hear these extreme views. I know that they exist, but as a whole, I don't witness or hear them, but rarely.

 

I am just dogged and confused by some of the guys on LS. They almost sound like every woman they meet is militant, thus the meanness and general, pejorative view of women.

 

I am at a loss sometimes....

[miss_jaclynrae]

We ARE perfect. Duh.