Why do taken women still desire to hit the clubs?

[chucksagent]

For those of you who have no problem with your man going to the strip club, then we're in business. None of this applies to you.

 

You go enjoy the male attention and getting drunk at the dance club, and I will enjoy the female attention and getting drunk watching football at the strip club.

 

What a healthy relationship we have sweetheart! We need others to satisfy our attention needs! Yay!

[piggyoink]

Have fun!

 

 

 

See what? That you're being ridiculous? I saw that a long time ago. My bf can go to strip clubs any time he wants, and he knows that. I don't care what other guys might do when they're at a strip club. I trust my bf. If I didn't, I wouldn't be with him. He doesn't need to make any excuses to go to one.

 

 

 

It baffles me that in your mind, this is the inverse of dancing at clubs. Apparently where ever you live not only has dancing at places that aren't clubs but also has strip clubs that show football games. Where ever you are is definitely not like where I've lived. Because in the 2 areas of the US I've lived we call any place with a dance floor a club, and if the strip clubs even have a TV, it's showing random graphics to the music.

 

Some people just prefer to stay home most of the time lol!

[serial muse]

No doubt she was married, too.

 

...or a dude? That's what dudes in nightclubs do, you know. Can't help themselves.

[The Way I Am]

The Way I Am - YOU CAN CONTROL WHO YOU INVITE TO A PARTY AT YOUR HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Have you ever had a party? You can't control who friends invite or friends of friends. Unless you're a control freak weirdo and/or want to make a huge scene kicking people out. If you have a party, people show up who you didn't directly invite.

 

And since "allegedly" it's all these girls who just NEED the art of dancing with their "girls" then you INVITE only your "girls."

 

That's a little bit nuts. To tell your friends that they can't invite a single guy friend. Anyone that controlling probably doesn't have enough friends to invite to a party.

 

Sometimes I dance around with my dogs in my living room. It's just not the same thing as going where there's a crowd. It has nothing to do with male attention. I know you're never going to be convinced, as I've already told you this before, but the reason I would go to a club to dance is the same reason I would go to bar to watch a baseball game or to a live baseball game. I can see the game a lot better from my living room tv than way up in the stadium. Why should I waste money and time driving to the stadium for a cr*ppier view of the game? But I have no interest in watching baseball on tv. I go to the stadium for only one reason. It's not to get attention from the men. It's not for the ****ty food or to waste money on parking. It's to spend time with friends in an atmosphere where a large group of people are excited about doing the same thing I'm doing. That's it.

 

If I go to a club and a guy gives me a nice compliment, sure it's appreciated, but I don't go for that reason. I'm not saying that 0 women go to clubs because they want male attention. That would be ridiculous, because some men and women get their validation from attention from the opposite sex. It might often be the case that that type of person is the friend driving the decision to go to a club instead of some other activity. A woman can go to a club without any other reason than to spend time with her friends.

 

I want a dark and loud place where I can watch the football game. Plain and simple. Don't complicate this folks.

 

Where are these strip clubs that have TVs showing sports?

 

For those of you who have no problem with your man going to the strip club, then we're in business. None of this applies to you.

 

You go enjoy the male attention and getting drunk at the dance club, and I will enjoy the female attention and getting drunk watching football at the strip club.

 

What a healthy relationship we have sweetheart! We need others to satisfy our attention needs! Yay!

 

I feel really bad for you and your wife that you don't trust and have such a negative view of each other.

Edited September 30, 2013 by The Way I Am

[atreides]

Clearly this thread is as polarized as the few other “married and going clubbing” context.

The OP asks “why do taken women still desire to hit the clubs?” From the first post, it seems that all the taken women acted respectfully to their significant other and the OP himself comes off as a gentleman who is frustrated that when he is at a club, he prefers to have available women rather than risking being on the other end of a fist to his face.

 

There are many that have different interpretations of what they call a club, because truly there are different clubs for different demographics. There also seems to be a huge divide between American and European opinion on this thread.

 

Then of course there is the non sequitur “trust” argument that always comes into play. I answered that fully in the other clubbing thread.

 

It all comes down to risk assessment, end of story, no matter how good a girl or guy, we can fall whether intentionally or unintentionally. How we manage what, where and how we act, minimizes the risk. The problem one side has is to polarized as in saying “not all women will cheat going to clubs” that is correct. But it is also not unreasonable nor irrational to have caution or concern. The bottom line is that there would not be a need for concern if the problem of infidelity did not exists in the large percent that it does. Countless articles of “red flags” for men to watch out for and so on that covers this very topic, on going out, getting dolled up and so on. We could then argue, they are all wrong and then proceed to argue exceptions to the rule. Either way, it is a tough argument, clearly the real life stories in sufficient numbers are there. Furthermore, arguing exceptions further strengthens the point to have concern as they are the exception.

 

It is also non sequitur to simply inject a straw man, to say “well cheating can happen anywhere.” Obviously true, but not part of the context, it ignores the inherent increased risk when there are alternatives of entertainment vs a job where I would argue more infidelity occurs and options of choice are more static to control. Let’s face it, I read posts in other threads where taken women bragged about getting free bottles of alcohol, from guys. I am not saying this is every case, but impaired judgment and sexually charged atmosphere are exponentially increased risks.

 

Then there is the “independence” argument which ignores the compromise and shared purpose of a relationship which comes with inherit boundaries, respects and etc; however, that does not mean we should all be tied at the hip 24/7 but as with life, it changes especially when married, and then with kids. So many lose or are less involved with friends when there is less in common, such as one couple having kids and thus, single friends have a harder time relating as one example. We essentially trade “freedoms” from one part of our life for other “freedoms” as we shed our solo independence for independence of another nature when we take on the responsibility of having a bond with a significant other and then of course kids, if applicable. But as I like to remind my own wife, that should not mean we are not allowed to have fun, but clearly in my decisions when hanging out with friends, I compromise with my wife and minimize the risks.

 

I happen to be the opposite of the thread; I like going to clubs but my wife, not so much. She at one point did not want to go at all as she said I got hit on too much. So we found salsa dance places where demographics are different and more our age bracket.

[The Way I Am]

To me, telling your partner they can't ever go to strip club or a club is like avoiding dogs because you're afraid to get bitten. Yeah, there are probably thousands of people bit by dogs every day. But there are also millions who aren't getting bitten.

 

The people so fearful of letting their partner go to a club seem as silly to me as the people who jump up on the rocks when my neighbors tiny Yorkie walks by. Sure they're probably afraid because they've been bitten before. But instead of working on that issue, looking at it logically, and learning to read the behaviors and body language of a dog, they live their life in fear. When really, no matter how careful they are about jumping out of the way of dogs, if one runs out of nowhere they can still get bit -- and sadly, because they don't learn about dog behaviors, they often do things that put themselves at greater risk of getting bitten than someone who knows about dogs.

 

I know it's not a perfect analogy, but that's the way I see it. To me, it's kind of sad and pathetic.

 

It's like people assume that because they don't let their partners go to clubs or strip clubs, they'll somehow avoid being cheated on. But that's a false sense of security. I just feel so bad for those fearful people clinging to their false security.

 

Learn to read people and you'll have a much better chance of avoiding cheating than saying "no clubs/strip clubs". If you know how to read people, there's really no benefit to restricting those activities. In most of the threads I've seen, the people who were cheated on at a club or strip club just ignored the other signs of untrustworthiness and disrespect. There were enough signs that they should have broken up with their partner before the cheating, but they didn't want to let go.

 

I consider clubs and strip clubs harmless because for me, there is absolutely no temptation from random men I don't know -- even with alcohol. Though considering I don't currently drink more than 2 drinks when I go out, alcohol really isn't a factor.

 

I would never date someone who considered clubs or strip clubs a place of temptation. Because to me, that says they're a person who can be tempted to cheat with any random stranger who is willing. I'm sorry, but I just find that kind of person gross.

[atreides]

I know it's not a perfect analogy, but that's the way I see it. To me, it's kind of sad and pathetic.

 

Fair enough, that's how you see it, but without trying to be offensive, the assumption made is a dog can be read as to compare to people being read or understood. That in itself is a controlled assumption or living in a vacuum. Many things would go the way we believe if life truly were as such.

 

It's like people assume that because they don't let their partners go to clubs or strip clubs, they'll somehow avoid being cheated on. But that's a false sense of security. I just feel so bad for those fearful people clinging to their false security.

 

Clearly there are those that believe that, but most are just making a risk assessment vs alternatives that can be. A weighing of options of which there are plenty. Saying the majority live in fear is going too far with it.

 

Learn to read people and you'll have a much better chance of avoiding cheating than saying "no clubs/strip clubs". If you know how to read people, there's really no benefit to restricting those activities. In most of the threads I've seen, the people who were cheated on at a club or strip club just ignored the other signs of untrustworthiness and disrespect. There were enough signs that they should have broken up with their partner before the cheating, but they didn't want to let go.

 

Again, not to be offensive, but that is a mighty arrogant statement in my opinion. I work in psychiatry and even the professionals can't do that. You say their are signs to look out for, well also according to the professionals, opinion polls, op-ed articles and etc.. going out in most i have seen as stated for the context of this thread is a "sign" to look out for. Therefore it is reasonable and rational to have cause for concern for those that make the case.

 

Moreover as to reading people, so many that cheat never intended it, it just happened they argue. Many BSs can't answer the why or how. I have seen the most prudent people unintentionally fall when in environments that attract certain behaviors.

 

 

I would never date someone who considered clubs or strip clubs a place of temptation. Because to me, that says they're a person who can be tempted to cheat with any random stranger who is willing. I'm sorry, but I just find that kind of person gross.

 

Again, not to be repetitive about offense; but, i also find this to be very arrogant. To say there is no or should not be temptation is living in a vacuum. Temptation is part of life and how we deal with it from all sort of scenarios beyond the scope of this thread and the going out clubbing is not an exception to the rule.

[chucksagent]

Atreides - "Furthermore, arguing exceptions further strengthens the point to have concern as they are the exception."

 

LOL I ALWAYS yell at my liberal friends about this...WHY ARGUE THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE!?!?!? Focus on the darn RULE!!!!!

 

"Well sometimes everything works out and nobody gets hurt." Ok, that's all well and good, but what is MORE LIKELY to happen???

 

The Way I am - "I feel really bad for you and your wife that you don't trust and have such a negative view of each other." I was being sarcastic...but more to the point, neither one of us tells eachother we can't go to a club or a strip club. We are adults with brains and hearts who respect each other so it doesn't need to come up. When responsible people get to a certain age, certain activities become impractical.

 

I know it's hard to believe, but spending $8.00 for a beer, not being able to listen/hear to my friends because it's so loud, (I rarely see because everyone is married and busy), being surrounded by "awesome" people wearing next to nothing, cigarette smoke, all so I can perform the art of dance....no thanks. And my wife feels the same way.

 

I don't think I would ever be attracted to the kind of woman who would still be "clubbin" in her 30's anyway. I can't think of a single woman I know who is still clubbin in her 30's...honestly, that's the truth.

 

I know women who salsa dance, ball room dance, square dance, go to martini bars/martini lounges for happy hour and dance...I don't know any who go to da club.

 

Even if you think the risk is minimal; why risk it if you truly love your significant other? You say it's more likely to cheat with a co-worker but that's simply not true if you're living right. You're not drunk at work...you have all your faculties...You shouldn't put yourself in a position of flirting/getting close to opposite sex people...pretend they are a co worker of your same gender and act like a professional.

[piggyoink]

To me, telling your partner they can't ever go to strip club or a club is like avoiding dogs because you're afraid to get bitten. Yeah, there are probably thousands of people bit by dogs every day. But there are also millions who aren't getting bitten.

 

I consider clubs and strip clubs harmless because for me, there is absolutely no temptation from random men I don't know -- even with alcohol. Though considering I don't currently drink more than 2 drinks when I go out, alcohol really isn't a factor.

 

I would never date someone who considered clubs or strip clubs a place of temptation. Because to me, that says they're a person who can be tempted to cheat with any random stranger who is willing. I'm sorry, but I just find that kind of person gross.

I always find it amusing when its an issue of "letting" or "not letting" their partners go somewhere as if they are a piece of property.

[MissBee]

 

Even if you think the risk is minimal; why risk it if you truly love your significant other? You say it's more likely to cheat with a co-worker but that's simply not true if you're living right. You're not drunk at work...you have all your faculties...You shouldn't put yourself in a position of flirting/getting close to opposite sex people...pretend they are a co worker of your same gender and act like a professional.

 

I think the point you seem to be ignoring is that these "risks" are not inherent but dependent on the people involved. You have ONE idea of going to clubs and what happens when you go and this idea ignores other possibilities which are real for many people.

 

1. There are people who do not have casual sex with strangers, even when single and free to do so.

 

2.There are people who do not drink alcohol period.

 

3. There are people who do not dance with anyone besides the people they have gone to the club with.

 

 

That said, going to a club is only "risky" depending on how you are and how you have tended to conduct yourself in general and also when single. Normal people who are "living right" (LOL) will probably find it easier to cheat with a coworker whom they have developed an attraction for in an innocent context, than a complete stranger they just met 1 hour ago, unless they have a tendency to be promiscuous in general. Further, the stats on infidelity speak for themselves, work place affairs and affairs with people who were acquaintances/known previously/searched for online are more common than random one night stands with people you just met, especially for women.

 

I already spoke for myself and can speak for some of my friends. I DO NOT sleep with men I just meet. EVER. I have NEVER done this. I am not promiscuous and drinks do not make me lose my mind and become promiscuous. I don't get sloppy drunk. 2 drink, 3 at most is what I'll have at a club and that gets me nowhere near sloppy drunk and out of it. Mature people know how to drink responsibly, so if your spouse doesn't know their limits and are gonna be drinking out of control...they should indeed stay home as they have other issues which prevent them from making reasonable choices, like having a drink limit. When my girlfriends and I go out, besides in college where people were just idiots lol, we do not get wasted. I also have friends who do not drink alcohol, so clubbing for them never involves inebriation. I also have friends who do not dance with men at clubs, they only dance with the women they came with or guy friends they came with.

 

It is not about going to the club....it is HOW you do it. This is quite simple and is the rule for pretty much most situations in life. There are many ways to not fall into any traps in a club. As a single person I have never gone home with, slept with, or did anything sexual with a man at the club, how come? Because I have boundaries and standards that even if loosened with drinks aren't totally derailed into me doing something I am against totally. So if I am married or taken, I am even less likely to do anything crazy, if as a single woman I've never done so. And in any case, the OP's question and annoyance at them being taken seems to show that married or not, being in the club did not give him or any other man a chance with them, hence the frustration, because these taken women are only eye-candy. None of them slept with him, went home with him or were drunk and falling on to his manhood.

 

Clubs are more likely to lead to cheating for someone who has poor boundaries, is an alcoholic and is also more on the promiscuous side. I definitely agree with that, as if such are your tendencies, that environment will exacerbate it. Even among single people at clubs...women who are not promiscuous, not drunks and have self-respect can go to clubs without it being a big deal. They know how much to drink, had no plans or interest in sexing strange men and also go with responsible friends who look out for them. That has been my experience. My friends who have hooked up with men at clubs, well they were the type to hook up regardless. My friends who weren't the hook up type NEVER mistakenly hooked up just because they were at a club.

 

For me, and many other women, if we're gonna cheat, it's not usually about random available penis, but some emotional connection, some form of liking this man and not just random horniness. For most of us cheating will therefore be with someone we know, who makes us feel good, who we like and can talk to and not some random drunk guy rubbing on us or saying hi to us at a club. Seriously.... When I'm in a relationship and if I've gone out, be it club, bar or even a friend's house and have been drinking and am in the mood, I do not all of a sudden become a bull seeing red/penis and start madly charging at the first available man I see or who sees me . I just start wanting MY man, even in long distance relationships where it's not like the sex is readily available, I will text him and call him and have phone sex or skype when I get home, I do not all of a sudden run off with some other man. Cheating never "just happens", someone content, into their spouse, not looking for sex from others consciously or subconsciously, won't just have sex with someone because the opportunity arises. If your spouse is mad at you and goes to the club I'd be worried, but if things are going well....why would they go out and all of a sudden start cheating? Drinks aren't that powerful...."blame it on the alcohol" is bull! Alcohol doesn't make you do anything you didn't already want to do...it just lowers your inhibitions.

 

If your spouse is sooo horny they will have sex with a random stranger just because they are at a club and drinking...I GUARANTEE they have other issues. As this is completely unreasonable for the normal person.

Edited October 1, 2013 by MissBee

[Radu]

Clearly this thread is as polarized as the few other “married and going clubbing” context.

The OP asks “why do taken women still desire to hit the clubs?” From the first post, it seems that all the taken women acted respectfully to their significant other and the OP himself comes off as a gentleman who is frustrated that when he is at a club, he prefers to have available women rather than risking being on the other end of a fist to his face.

 

Not to me.

Dated a number of girls like these, and the mentality of 'it's just boyfriend, nothing serious' does not apply to me.

 

If i get a wiff of that kind of an attitude, of drinking, dancing, girls nights out often when pimped for attention like crazy and flirting while there ... by-bye.

Not polarizing at all imho, my sanity and peace of mind is way more important than their entitlement; if they want to do that ... either choose another chump or be single.

 

When i go out for a meeting with the guys, we just drink some beer and eat a steak ... and that's about it.

We go there to socialize in the group, we don't go there to pick up women.

I expect the same standard from the fairer gender.

 

I always find it amusing when its an issue of "letting" or "not letting" their partners go somewhere as if they are a piece of property.

 

When you are in a comitted relationship it's 'we' not 'me'.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Radu

[atreides]

Not to me.

Dated a number of girls like these, and the mentality of 'it's just boyfriend, nothing serious' does not apply to me.

 

If i get a wiff of that kind of an attitude, of drinking, dancing, girls nights out often when pimped for attention like crazy and flirting while there ... by-bye.

Not polarizing at all imho, my sanity and peace of mind is way more important than their entitlement; if they want to do that ... either choose another chump or be single.

 

When i go out for a meeting with the guys, we just drink some beer and eat a steak ... and that's about it.

We go there to socialize in the group, we don't go there to pick up women.

I expect the same standard from the fairer gender.

 

 

 

When you are in a comitted relationship it's 'we' not 'me'.

 

my context on polarizing was the absolutes that i read in this thread and the others that cover the same topic. many defenders of GNO are uncompromising and use the typical mantra.

 

I especially like your last line

 

When you are in a committed relationship it's 'we' not 'me'.

[chucksagent]

RADU- WELL PLAYED SIR!!!!!!! .....Jordan fades back, SWOOSH, and THAT'S the game!!!!

 

"Not polarizing at all imho, my sanity and peace of mind is way more important than their entitlement; if they want to do that ... either choose another chump or be single.

 

When i go out for a meeting with the guys, we just drink some beer and eat a steak ... and that's about it.

We go there to socialize in the group, we don't go there to pick up women.

I expect the same standard from the fairer gender."

 

HOME RUN...JUST HOME RUN...I couldn't agree more and that's EXACTLY how I look at it. I think I said in a previous post, I usually don't even DATE women who are that selfish so it never actually comes up.

 

"When you are in a comitted relationship it's 'we' not 'me'."

 

Radu, see, you are speaking from an educated, fair minded, reasonable, standpoint...However, the converse is often true WHICH EXPLAINS WHY the divorce rate is so darn high. It's all about me, me, me, me - You ain't telling ME HOW to live?!? I'm gonna go dancing at the club, and you can't stop me. Instead of looking introspect-fully and saying "how would I feel if my boyfriend/husband was out with his drunk/horny buddies at a club? Hmmm, I'd probably be a little nervous." I think even one of the clubbing advocates admitted it'd be normal to be a little nervous. Lol. Being nervous/feeling nervous is your GOD GIVEN INSTINCTS telling you something IS NOT RIGHT!!!!!!!!

[Radu]

I'm speaking from experience tbh.

My first 3 relationships were ones where i truly believed what women actually said ... i listened too well, so i ended up a doormat to some very nasty ice queens.

Needless to say, they had maaaaaany GNOs.

 

They also had mean spirited gf's, families, etc ...

The above might not be important, but it's actually paramount.

GNO can be a very relaxing experience women get to have, see a show, go to a restaurant, go to a pub [major difference from bar].

In all of these examples it's all about their relationships in the group, their friendships, etc ...

On the other hand, GNO where they dress incredibly provocative, get drunk in a bar, flirt like crazy and egg each-other to do these kind of things, are nothing but horrible news, and they will most likely hurt your relationship.

A married woman [or man for that matter] has no business getting drunk and flirting, dressing to impress and arouse the opposite gender.

 

So a GNO has to be seen in the context of 'with whom'.

There's a saying in my country that i wish i could translate well, it goes something like 'tell me who your friends are so that i can tell you who you are'.

 

PS: About the 3 relationships referenced above, i also had good ones after them and i do know good women in good relationships.

It was in the end my fault for accepting to be with those women for the time period that i was with them.

[piggyoink]

Not to me.

Dated a number of girls like these, and the mentality of 'it's just boyfriend, nothing serious' does not apply to me.

 

If i get a wiff of that kind of an attitude, of drinking, dancing, girls nights out often when pimped for attention like crazy and flirting while there ... by-bye.

Not polarizing at all imho, my sanity and peace of mind is way more important than their entitlement; if they want to do that ... either choose another chump or be single.

 

When i go out for a meeting with the guys, we just drink some beer and eat a steak ... and that's about it.

We go there to socialize in the group, we don't go there to pick up women.

I expect the same standard from the fairer gender.

 

 

 

When you are in a comitted relationship it's 'we' not 'me'.

 

Do you do what Korean people do? (share bank passwords, email passwords, have couples shirts, count your 100 + 1000 day anniversaries, etc)?

[Radu]

Do you do what Korean people do? (share bank passwords, email passwords, have couples shirts, count your 100 + 1000 day anniversaries, etc)?

 

Well, let's look at it :

- bank passwords ... useless, since i don't see why i should be on a gf's account.

Otoh, if you are married, most ppl pool their finances, and in certain countries [Canada], a spouse can go and raid your bank account even if he/she is not allowed to access said bank account [safety deposit box too].

- email passwords ... i worked in IT, hardware guy and took security courses.

My passwords are complex [i don't share them], but every gf i've had has not been as tight lipped about her passwords.

- i'm a bit over 6 feet tall, and i weigh 230 pounds when i'm slim.

Thankfully, i've never had to share shirts with a girl, though a few have pretended mine were moo-moo's.

- i forget anniversaries, no self-respecting straight guy remembers all those numbers.

 

Not really sure what you were trying to prove, maybe you should load up the hyperbole gun and try again ?

[Emilia]

I find it amusing that you say these things when nobody here is talking about "letting" or "not letting".

 

Its about whether or not someone respects the feelings of their significant other. If they don't, then the person needs to move on to someone more in tune with what it means to be in a committed relationship with boundaries.

So it is about letting or not letting ie controll. Why dress it up as something else?

[Emilia]

Nope, its about if someone wants to disrespect you, you don't have to stay with them.

Really? Have you ever had a long term relationship? Because I can guarantee that in the course of being with a person for years and years you will experience 'disrespect'. So I'm guesssing you haven't been in one.

[Emilia]

A few long term R's yes, and a 7 year marriage.

 

Sure, there is going to be a little disrespect here and there. But to me, getting attention from other men is a biggie to me.

 

So you guessed wrong.

This is what you said "Nope, its about if someone wants to disrespect you, you don't have to stay with them." that is opposite of your bolded statement in your post above.

 

People will get attention from others, trying to control that is sad and futile as I'm sure you have found out as well. This is more about your insecurities and fear than about the other person. Fixing it in yourself is a better option than trying to force someone to comply with your issues.

[piggyoink]

This is what you said "Nope, its about if someone wants to disrespect you, you don't have to stay with them." that is opposite of your bolded statement in your post above.

 

People will get attention from others, trying to control that is sad and futile as I'm sure you have found out as well. This is more about your insecurities and fear than about the other person. Fixing it in yourself is a better option than trying to force someone to comply with your issues.

 

I guess some couples prefer a gorean relationship

[chucksagent]

Yes, we know you like to use the word gorean over and over:rolleyes:. No matter how irrelevant it is to the conversation.

 

hahahah awesome

 

We have no been called Gorean fans and "Korean." I DO NOT get that reference at all. Lol. I think most American married couples share bank information, so not sure why that's odd or strange to you.

 

Why is openness and transparency a bad thing? I love these morons today who are ALL about "privacy." Respect my privacy, don't crowd me I need my space, don't ask me questions, don't worry about my life...blah blah blah...It's these SAME PEOPLE who are posting on Facebook for ANYONE to see, where they live, work, friends, family relationships, pictures of their home (for robbers), announcing when on vacation (robbers really love this), announcing when out of town, announcing fights with significant others, work achievements, etc.etc.etc....But hey, hey, hey...privacy folks, privacy is a premium. Lol. Idiots.

[chucksagent]

You know you're on the weaker end of the argument and wrong when you go from the position YOU are debating to ALL THE WAY TO "gorean relationship and wearing the same tee shirt."

 

NONE of us anti-clubbers have said EVERY COMMITTED GIRL who goes to the club is looking to hook up....not even near that...We even ACKNOWLEDGED there are exceptions to the rule...We have articulated MANY times that it's simply a matter of risk and reward. Why RISK such a meaningful relationship when the reward can be had elsewhere or through different means. If cultivating the friendship with your friends is paramount, there are literally COUNTLESS other activities for women to enjoy together save dancing at da club.

 

That Gorean nonsense and calling us controlling and "diseased because of jealousy and insecurity and issues" is a RIDICULOUS stretch and would only be made by someone who's argument is being decimated because it's incredibly weak to begin with.

[piggyoink]

Quote by Benjamin Franklin: Those who surrender freedom for security will n...

 

"“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”"

[piggyoink]

You know you're on the weaker end of the argument and wrong

 

Takes 1 to know 1

[piggyoink]

.But hey, hey, hey...privacy folks, privacy is a premium. Lol. Idiots.

 

What you say is what you are